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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.10.26 19:03:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I still think all the destroyers could use an additional fitting slot. Cormorant needs another low, coercer needs another med and the catalyst could use one too.
Also buff interdictors.
If only!
BTW your avatar looks like the alien chick from Galaxy Quest.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:49:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Check out a Catalyst fit with 200mm Autocannon II's.....and Hail charges. Got room for a 200 mm tungsten plate, repper, damage control, scrambler and mwd.
Add some small projectile rigs and Evefit says a DPS of 206 and a volley of 729.
I can only imagine what a buff will do. Why fit a Catalyst with autocannons and not use the thrasher instead ?
At that point in the thread......there were a couple of people talking about the Catalyst. I thought I would add to the talk about the Catalyst. In particular they were discussing cramming a full rack of Neutron blasters on it......I counterpointed with something that I felt was better than attempting that.....
And I haven't cross-trained the Thrasher.
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Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:32:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote: And I haven't cross-trained the Thrasher.
You mean you don't have minmatar Frig 3, but you went to the trouble of getting Small autocannon specialization?
Interesting skill choice
Just to confirm for you, the Destroyers skill is like the battlecruisers skill. Non race specific. so spend the 8 odd hours getting racial frigate 3. bang, crosstrained. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
143
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:32:00 -
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I thought destroyers main job was to keep taclkers away. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:38:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote: You mean you don't have minmatar Frig 3, but you went to the trouble of getting Small autocannon specialization?
Ah I see the confusion.....here I was thinking the Thrasher was a destroyer like the Catalyst. I'm flying a Wolf around every now and then. I'm more familiar with the Gallente ship line.
Nonetheless, why wouldn't I want small autocannon specialization with Minmatar frigates?
I'm not sure how you correlated the gunnery skill and Minmatar Frigate lvl 3. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
26
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:45:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote: You mean you don't have minmatar Frig 3, but you went to the trouble of getting Small autocannon specialization?
Ah I see the confusion.....here I was thinking the Thrasher was a destroyer like the Catalyst. I'm flying a Wolf around every now and then. I'm more familiar with the Gallente ship line. Nonetheless, why wouldn't I want small autocannon specialization with Minmatar frigates? I'm not sure how you correlated the gunnery skill and Minmatar Frigate lvl 3.
it IS a destroyer.
prerequisite to fly it is Minmatar Frigate 3 and Destroyers 1.
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Dro Nee
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:14:00 -
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500+ dps thrashers?
What could go wrong?! |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:19:00 -
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My thread seems to have caught interest. Will be nice to see these ships roaming the corridors of Eve again. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:44:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote: You mean you don't have minmatar Frig 3, but you went to the trouble of getting Small autocannon specialization?
Ah I see the confusion.....here I was thinking the Thrasher was a destroyer like the Catalyst. I'm flying a Wolf around every now and then. I'm more familiar with the Gallente ship line. Nonetheless, why wouldn't I want small autocannon specialization with Minmatar frigates? I'm not sure how you correlated the gunnery skill and Minmatar Frigate lvl 3. it IS a destroyer. prerequisite to fly it is Minmatar Frigate 3 and Destroyers 1.
No kidding? Hence, the statement, "And I haven't cross-trained the Thrasher."
But somehow, it became assumed that I lacked lvl 3 Minmatar frigate?
Hello?
Let me make this clearer for ya'll.....I've trained to Assault frigates in the Minmatar line. As part of that package, I also trained small autocannon specialization. It seemed to make sense at the time.
I have not trained Minmatar destroyers.
Can't for the life of me figure out why that confused some folk.
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Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:51:00 -
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This will take suicide ganking hulks to a new level. |
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:52:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote: I have not trained Minmatar destroyers.
Can't for the life of me figure out why that confused some folk.
Repeating and confirming there is no Minmatar destroyers skill, if you can fly a Catalyst, and Min ass frigz, you can fly a trasher.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:55:00 -
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WTB: Minmatar Destroyers Skillbook. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:56:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:MeestaPenni wrote: I have not trained Minmatar destroyers.
Can't for the life of me figure out why that confused some folk.
Repeating and confirming there is no Minmatar destroyers skill, if you can fly a Catalyst, and Min ass frigz, you can fly a trasher.
That'll teach me to not go and check the skills list.
In my defense...it's been a while since I had to worry about it.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:56:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:WTB: Minmatar Destroyers Skillbook.
Send me a contract.
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:05:00 -
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I really hope the sheer amount of bloody wingers dosnt make ccp change this possible fix because a nice big fleet of 80+ destroyers sounds like a hell of a lotta fun |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:12:00 -
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Dro Nee wrote:500+ dps thrashers?
What could go wrong?! I don't know, but the idea of a 580 dps Catalyst does make my mouth water. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:17:00 -
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Valari Nala Zena wrote:This will take suicide ganking hulks to a new level. Between the destroyer buff and the new battlecruisers with battleship weapons Hulks should be running scared.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Valari Nala Zena wrote:This will take suicide ganking hulks to a new level. Between the destroyer buff and the new battlecruisers with battleship weapons Hulks should be running scared. They can always go back to mining in tanked Hypes and Rokhs. |
Zarnak Wulf
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.27 04:40:00 -
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Battlecruisers, not counting the new ones, all have the same signature radius - 240m. Destroyers should all have the same signature radius as well. Make it 60m. Or 56m. Whatever size you pick make it the same for all of them. I get a bit tired of the total Minmatar hegemony. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
207
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:42:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Battlecruisers, not counting the new ones, all have the same signature radius - 240m. Destroyers should all have the same signature radius as well. I get a bit tired of the total Minmatar hegemony.
Hurricane / Cyclone Sig Rad 240m Harbinger / Prophecy Sig Rad 265m Drake / Ferox Sig Rad 285m Myrmidon / Brutix Sig Rad 300m
They all have the Same Sig Rad of their counterparts but they don't all have 240m.
Winmatar Wins again...
Wait!
I get it, that's why people call them Winmatar.
That is clever. |
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
6
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:27:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.
no **** its int he destroyers description, they are designed to KILL frigates. nothing more. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:36:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered. no **** its int he destroyers description, they are designed to KILL frigates. nothing more.
well, they're going to be killing a lot more now
I imagine 3 trashers could make pretty quick work of one of these new BCs |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
136
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:40:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web? so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1
if you make them have 2 mid slots, then they are frigates with 8 guns. That's stupid and not balance.
You get double the dps compared to a frigate now. And your smaller like a frigate. However the destoryers job is NOT to tackle. think outside the box for a 2nd. Destoryer packs will be powerful becuase with 2 or 3 of them you can ALPHA FRIGATES.
who cares if you can't hold them down.
and if they are too fast get a friend to fly tackle. simple.
edit: the more I think about it, they should all get get one mid solt, maybe even lose a low slot for a higher damage bonus. Basicly act like every dessy has a permi low slot taken up by a heat sink. Which doesn't count towards the stack.
Make them slower too, but keep them small. Make them like slow, mobile, firing cannons that waste frigates, but can be hit by cruiser fire if tackled.
Basically they would hard counter the new BCs :P |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
19
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Posted - 2011.10.27 09:45:00 -
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The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
213
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:01:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time. Rigs and Battlecruisers really did a number on Casual Game Play
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
102
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:20:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.
Umm, wolfpacks of destroyers have always been viable and widely used... |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2011.10.27 14:40:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time. They are also pretty easy to get into, Destoryer V only takes a week to train or so.
Catalyst for example: - Having RoF penalty removed - General Hybrid (railgun) damage boost gallente ships get - Less cap use - More speed - Better tank - They are very cheap
Very useful ship for new players, able to train fast and affordable. Absolute nightmare for suicide ganking mining barges, just think about dual/tripple boxing destroyers, because they are so affordable i'd imagine will see it happen more often.
I can see them become an absolute nuisance to empire miners, and i foresee a nerf incoming in some way to compensate.
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
123
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Posted - 2011.10.27 14:52:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.
noobs will also love destroyers now
they will insta pwn any l1 mission on their first week of their trials
bad side to this
ganker will make thousands of never to be reused trials from buddy programs
step 1 make new trial using buddy link
step 2 train toon to specifically fly gank fit destroyers (no need to train tank skills - just train racial frig 3 - destroyer 3 or 4 - relevant gunnery skills to at least 3 or 4 and engineering 4, electronics 4, and energy grid upgrades 2 - to fit micro auxillary 1)
this can be all done during the 21 day trial.... by the time your trial has run out your sec status should be -10.0 Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
88
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:33:00 -
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Valari Nala Zena wrote:..cheap.. You haven't flown them in combat since the speed balance patch I take it?
After frigates became worth using with better speeds and nerfed webs, the price of small weapons/modules skyrocketed. If you T2 fit a destroyer you are looking at up to 20M a pop .. won't matter to majority since the one commonly used will be arty trash and they function just fine with unnamed T1 guns, but actual combat fits will remain one of the most expensive options in Eve (bang-for-buck wise) since they always tend to be in quite a hurry to reach the hereafter
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Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:25:00 -
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With the drawbacks being taken out you might not *need* T2 fits for your destroyers so long as they aren't being asked to work well outside their role of "blow up any frigates that don't get the hint and leave." Granted T2'd always be "faster" but depending on how the new stats shake out it might not be enough faster to be worthwhile (at least in an "all T2 mods/rigs" way), even outside the arty world. |
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