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Crystal Stills
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:24:00 -
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I know this has been brought up many times but for many of us when we started playing this game we were not serious about the game and gave our characters poor names. We also bought characters with poor names because that's all that is sold on the character bazaar. I for one have characters I would love to be able to rename. The nature of the game and the time it takes to train characters makes it pointless to start new characters for the sake of a name change. For example I have two toons at 65 and 83 million sp you are talking 3 to 4 years to get that back if I remade them.
I propose a one time name change per account not character for a fee along with conditions.
- Sec status must be at 3 or above.
- Character has no petitions against them.
- Account has never been suspended by ccp.
Once a name change has occurred all people with that character on their watch list will receive a eve mail notification of the character changing their name so you can identify who's character that is on your list.
I also want to bring up a point, people always fight this idea cuz they say criminals can erase what they have done. For a second humor me, this would be a one time deal per "account". Now with the character bazaar you can change out characters and erase you actions every week if you wanted too and as we have seen money is now object for many people as seen by the things people do in the game. If you only change a name their actions will still be known due to the eve mail and by their kill and loss stats that will still be attached.
Weigh that in your mind before you fight this proposal. Character Bazaar = unlimited identity erase Character Rename = Just a name change
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:19:00 -
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I like it. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:35:00 -
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remove the sec status thing from the conditions and it's a great idea |
Hileksel Tarmik
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
1
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:30:00 -
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I can see why people want this. I also think that a bit of thought was put into this thread. It may need tweaking, but Thumbs up from me.
EDIT: Such a change may need a bit of effort from the devs to bring about, and they have some pretty full plates, as I understand it. Though I like the idea, on second thought, I see alot of bigger issues that I would like fixed before they work on stuff like this. |
BerSerKer 13
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:09:00 -
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i do like the idea in case you total botched your name or your ideas change over time on what is a good screen name |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:31:00 -
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This MUST be done. My very first EVE character is really in need of a name change. I really don't wanna delete him, because he's of significance to me, for reasons i've just said.
Too old, too significant to delete. He was the first i created, and a reminder of my early days in the game.
CCP must go through with this.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
I've also read that CCP offered a free name change service for players in the early days of the game, apparently. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
689
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:05:00 -
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No no no..... Eve does not need name changes.
If you buy a character then you should look for one with a name you want as well as the skills you are looking for.
If you chose a bad name in the first place, suck it up, you made that decision.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15251
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:16:00 -
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Jotunspor wrote:This MUST be done. It MUST not. Causes more issues than it solves.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
33
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:01:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Jotunspor wrote:This MUST be done. It MUST not. Causes more issues than it solves. really? please do tell what the issues it causes are? |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
690
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:30:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Mag's wrote:Jotunspor wrote:This MUST be done. It MUST not. Causes more issues than it solves. really? please do tell what the issues it causes are?
Use the search function..... they have been laid out many times before.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
33
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:04:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Mag's wrote:Jotunspor wrote:This MUST be done. It MUST not. Causes more issues than it solves. really? please do tell what the issues it causes are? Use the search function..... they have been laid out many times before. and if you would have used the search function (or even a little bit of the brain God gave you) you'd see that the only possible issue would be keeping those who had those chars on their contacts/watchlist updated with the info as well which is easily solvable by sending a notification to those people so they also know that xxxxx is now known as yyyyy. The ingame functions (presence on watchlist, standings that have been assigned to the char) would automatically update thus being a non-issue themselves. An entry in the employment history could be also be done so that all those who didn't have that char on the watchlist/contacts would know that char's old name. The ingame functions are all based on the char id with is a string of numbers that never changes (and has no need to in order to change the char name) and killboards would be able to automatically update the char name as well the next time they got a km with that name on it with a simple api call of "http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterID.xml.aspx?names=Jint Hikaru" (and you can even do multiple names at once)
As far as this "reputation" idea goes if you added in the name change to the employment history then "reputation" would stay with them thus also being a non-issue |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
0
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:51:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Mag's wrote:Jotunspor wrote:This MUST be done. It MUST not. Causes more issues than it solves. really? please do tell what the issues it causes are? Use the search function..... they have been laid out many times before. and if you would have used the search function (or even a little bit of the brain God gave you) you'd see that the only possible issue would be keeping those who had those chars on their contacts/watchlist updated with the info as well which is easily solvable by sending a notification to those people so they also know that xxxxx is now known as yyyyy. The ingame functions (presence on watchlist, standings that have been assigned to the char) would automatically update thus being a non-issue themselves. An entry in the employment history could be also be done so that all those who didn't have that char on the watchlist/contacts would know that char's old name. The ingame functions are all based on the char id with is a string of numbers that never changes (and has no need to in order to change the char name) and killboards would be able to automatically update the char name as well the next time they got a km with that name on it with a simple api call of "http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterID.xml.aspx?names=Jint Hikaru" (and you can even do multiple names at once)As far as this "reputation" idea goes if you added in the name change to the employment history then "reputation" would stay with them thus also being a non-issue
You're typical, arrogant, EVE dork, that has nothing to bring to the table but negativity. Man, gamers make me laugh sometimes. Kind of like when you talk about how a game console should have backwards compatibility, and how some moronic fanboy will come up with just about anything to say "no, no... there should be no backwards compatibility".
Omega, that's forward thinking. Anyone who disagrees just got logically pimp-slapped.
I deleted one of my characters that was in a corp, and...and the corp got a NOTIFICATION afterwards?! *GASP*
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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
35
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:14:00 -
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Here's another solution to killboards having the correct name, have an api call that lists all the chars that have changed their names within the last 30 days?. Results for the api call would be both the old name and new name so any killboard could automate the update and have very little impact on the api server. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
691
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Posted - 2013.07.23 07:02:00 -
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Sure.... the game may have an unchangeable string of numbers to identify each player, but as a player, I recognize other players only by their name.
Not everyone in the game is on my watchlist.... not even the regulars in my local system are. However I recognize these people by their name and I know what some of them are likely to do.
With a name change function, any name i don't recognize could potentially be someone I do know with a name change. So now I have to check the name change history of everyone around me in case they used to be someone I knew.
Anyhoo, I would rather not get into an argument about this, the only people who seem to want changes are:
1. I chose a stupid name and now I'm fed up with it. [Tough, your choice, live with it]
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2. I bought a character so I didn't have to train one up, but I don't like the name. [Tough, you knew what you were buying when you bought it]
Good Luck with your proposed huge game changes to address your specific wants.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:12:00 -
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I literally cannot support this proposal hard enough.
Honestly don't restrict it, make it an isk sink by having a name chance cost 3x your skillpoint count from a CONCORD agent or something like that. Or even a flat bill each time.
There's a real simple workaround to the whole "people changing their names to avoid punishment for past deeds" problem, Add a new tab to the public character sheet of each char, prior names, and have them show up in a people and places search as " [Current name] (Former name: [Former Name])" when the former name is searched. |
Crystal Stills
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:32:00 -
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The things mentioned above that disapprove of name changes are valid problems but in my eyes easy solves. Things like kill mails for example. I really don't know how they work on a coding level but kill mails are attached to API's no? So if you changed the name wouldn't that be reflected in the kill mail?
I can also relate to identifying people by name, I live out in null sec with my other characters and you do get to know people by their names as potential hot droppers or FC's, etc... At the same time though that is why I proposed a one time name change per account. More than likely if they are well known for their name they won't change it and may choose to change another character on their account. Others have also mentioned a tab with their past name.
To me its a no brainier, their employment will be the same, there kill mails will be the same, you will be able to quickly identify that person again even if there is no tab and such. You learned once rather quickly who they were and I am sure you can again. Besides whats to stop said character to going to the character bazaar and selling that character and buying a new one. I don't hear any tears about that... "cough cough".
Lastly all I ever see in any of theses posts are the deeds you won't be able to see their deeds! give me a break. People ask for API keys for a reason when joining a corp, not character names, API !!! they look to see past communications and forum posts. They look at isk transactions. Even then people don't identify problems. I know someone who stole 6 dreads from a corp he was in then sold them and he still has no problem joining major alliance corps as they never notice the transactions as devious. He tells people he use to build them with an alt. So when people talk about deeds get over it. If you want to cry over a high sec freighter gank well that will be in their kill mails cause that's attached to the API, that deed will still be there.
If there are more visible "deeds" attached to accounts that would be erased by a name change lets talk about them and address them rather than say "the deeds". |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
24
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:07:00 -
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I dunno, keeping people names I feel is almost the definition of "actions have consequences" and that means that you have to have the silver tongue to trick people not changing a bit of code in your name.
plus I'll be honest I like the individuality of the stupid names :) |
Crystal Stills
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:22:00 -
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samualvimes wrote:I dunno, keeping people names I feel is almost the definition of "actions have consequences" and that means that you have to have the silver tongue to trick people not changing a bit of code in your name.
plus I'll be honest I like the individuality of the stupid names :)
Actions have consequences... Then say character bazaar.
The only consequence in is eve is you do something stupid and you lose isk. Everything else is an illusion that is alive in peoples heads. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:16:00 -
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samualvimes wrote:I dunno, keeping people names I feel is almost the definition of "actions have consequences" and that means that you have to have the silver tongue to trick people not changing a bit of code in your name.
plus I'll be honest I like the individuality of the stupid names :)
After nearly a decade, the novelty wears pretty thin. I made this Char when I was 14 in 2004.
Again though, there are real simple ways to preserve actions having consequences, this is not an impossible design challenge. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2323
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:46:00 -
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1.) There needs to be an Alias tab on your character sheet that shows your complete NAME history. 2.) Your corp history should absolutely NEVER be erased. 3.) Your corp history tab should also include the name you were known as at that time. 4.) I see absolutely no reason for the sec status requirement. Who gives a **** about people aggressing in lowsec!! The whole point is to keep track of scammers, AWOXers, thieves, spies, and similar delinquents, which have nothing to do with sec status! 5.) Limited use is necessary, but not required. 1 per year would probably be sufficient.
Finally, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. What happens to the "old names" that keep getting taken? How do you handle Joe changing his name to Sam, and John changing his name to Joe? That could be incredibly confusing and best not permitted. Also, you do realize this will create tons of "name scams"; think about the new "chribba" scams, where peopel pose as chribba over and over and over to steal with his reputation (then again, this probably already happens).
In the end, this could be implemented with the above caveats, I'm just not sure it is worth the troubles.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10965
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:15:00 -
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The CSM is currently in conversation with CCP on this issue.
I doubt you'll get much traction for the +3.0 sec status requirement though.
1 Kings 12:11
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Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:36:00 -
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Much thanks, Malcanis. Any method of renaming would be much appreciated. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9006
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:57:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: 1.) There needs to be an Alias tab on your character sheet that shows your complete NAME history. 2.) Your corp history should absolutely NEVER be erased. 3.) Your corp history tab should also include the name you were known as at that time. 4.) I see absolutely no reason for the sec status requirement. Who gives a **** about people aggressing in lowsec!! The whole point is to keep track of scammers, AWOXers, thieves, spies, and similar delinquents, which have nothing to do with sec status! 5.) Limited use is necessary, but not required. 1 per year would probably be sufficient.
Finally, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. What happens to the "old names" that keep getting taken? How do you handle Joe changing his name to Sam, and John changing his name to Joe? That could be incredibly confusing and best not permitted. Also, you do realize this will create tons of "name scams"; think about the new "chribba" scams, where peopel pose as chribba over and over and over to steal with his reputation (then again, this probably already happens).
In the end, this could be implemented with the above caveats, I'm just not sure it is worth the troubles.
In a universe where your name is at times more influential than your guns - I would vote not to name changes.
As far as ppl imposing as me (impostors) that happens quite often and it's against the EULA so said pilots gets the punishment that serves them.
/c
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Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.24 16:33:00 -
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Chribba wrote: In a universe where your name is at times more influential than your guns - I would vote not to name changes.
Any name change of a character with such a large influence would quickly be propagated. Especially if the character was an infamous scammer. Moreover, people with influential names would be much less likely to change them, so it would be a fringe case at best for the influential, especially if namechanges were prohibitively expensive or required a large sacrifice (such as a % chunk of SP, god forbid).
And again, nobody is asking for people to be allowed to be given totally clean slates with no traceable history.
There's zero RP justification to not have name changes available. EVE is a dark place after all, and adding a low hoop (clicking a tab on their char's info) for people to jump through to read somebody's name history would not be the end of the world. Quite the contrary, it would be a good follow up to the changes in the Bounty expansion in a narrative sense.
Hrm, best kick a notification to people who put bounties on the namechanging char as well when they change names, if anything like this ever gets implemented. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10966
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:44:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:Much thanks, Malcanis. Any method of renaming would be much appreciated.
I'm pretty glad I didn't let 14 year old me name Malc :
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10966
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:45:00 -
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(That would not have ended well)
1 Kings 12:11
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
0
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:09:00 -
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Ooh... woah. We're actually getting CCP to see this, and getting feedback? That's awesome..
I'm just hoping it goes through. Limited as being a one-time thing. That'd probably be the best approach. At least that's what i think. One-time character change, so it doesn't get our of control.
I'm hoping it happens. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
37
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Posted - 2013.07.25 01:32:00 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Ooh... woah. We're actually getting CCP to see this, and getting feedback? That's awesome.. I'm just hoping it goes through. Limited as being a one-time thing. That'd probably be the best approach. At least that's what i think. One-time character change, so it doesn't get our of control. I'm hoping it happens. that's a CSM tag not a CCP tag beside his name :) |
Crystal Stills
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The CSM is currently in conversation with CCP on this issue.
I doubt you'll get much traction for the +3.0 sec status requirement though.
First off Malcanis, thank you for making it a topic of the CSM and second I don't much care about the +3.0 sec status. I was just trying to make it less criminal friendly.
Chribba and Gamer4liff also had good input to the topic and what Gamer4liff said I agree with. The thing I can't stress the most though is to make it a one time deal per account to prevent this from being abused. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
37
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:24:00 -
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I wouldn't make it a 1 time deal per account but rather have a very long cooldown (3-4 months at the min, maybe even 6 months?) before that account would be allowed to name change again. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
698
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:03:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:
There's zero RP justification to not have name changes available. EVE is a dark place after all, and adding a low hoop (clicking a tab on their char's info) for people to jump through to read somebody's name history would not be the end of the world. Quite the contrary, it would be a good follow up to the changes in the Bounty expansion in a narrative sense.
Sorry Gamer4liff, but clicking through peoples Bio to see if they were someone else adds another complexity to Eve that just isn't an enjoyable gaming experience.
Let me give an example:
Lets say, I live in a quiet system, happily mining. I 'know' the locals and people who frequent the system. There are a couple of people I watch out for:
'EvilDude666' - this guy suicide ganks miners. 'Bumpmeister' - this guy bumps people off a belt he wants to mine himself.
If I see one of these guys enter local, I modify my behavior to suit the situation.
Now with name changes.... every unknown who enters local, I have to click 'show pilot info', select the 'alias' tab.... I basically spend my gaming time checking the aliases of people. Not Fun.
All that name changes will accomplish is make 'Known' pilots, 'Unknowns' again. (and in a game where actions have consequences, this should not be allowed)
Yes I am aware Eve is a 'dark' place, people harp on about realism, and we can do this in RL so why not in Eve.... But it boils down to this... Eve is a Game! It needs to be enjoyable.... adding more tedium, for the sake of 'realism' will not help the game.
Please Note: I have not addressed the Char Bazaar... that is a necessary evil that I don't think should be allowed, but I understand why it is in place.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:10:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Gamer4liff wrote:
There's zero RP justification to not have name changes available. EVE is a dark place after all, and adding a low hoop (clicking a tab on their char's info) for people to jump through to read somebody's name history would not be the end of the world. Quite the contrary, it would be a good follow up to the changes in the Bounty expansion in a narrative sense.
Sorry Gamer4liff, but clicking through peoples Bio to see if they were someone else adds another complexity to Eve that just isn't an enjoyable gaming experience. Let me give an example: Lets say, I live in a quiet system, happily mining. I 'know' the locals and people who frequent the system. There are a couple of people I watch out for: 'EvilDude666' - this guy suicide ganks miners. 'Bumpmeister' - this guy bumps people off a belt he wants to mine himself. If I see one of these guys enter local, I modify my behavior to suit the situation. Now with name changes.... every unknown who enters local, I have to click 'show pilot info', select the 'alias' tab.... I basically spend my gaming time checking the aliases of people. Not Fun. All that name changes will accomplish is make 'Known' pilots, 'Unknowns' again. (and in a game where actions have consequences, this should not be allowed) Yes I am aware Eve is a 'dark' place, people harp on about realism, and we can do this in RL so why not in Eve.... But it boils down to this... Eve is a Game! It needs to be enjoyable.... adding more tedium, for the sake of 'realism' will not help the game. Please Note: I have not addressed the Char Bazaar... that is a necessary evil that I don't think should be allowed, but I understand why it is in place. If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10979
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:30:00 -
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Crystal Stills wrote:I don't much care about the +3.0 sec status. I was just trying to make it less criminal friendly.
Chribba and Gamer4liff also had good input to the topic and what Gamer4liff said I agree with. The thing I can't stress the most though is to make it a one time deal per account to prevent this from being abused.
In my experience the pirates with -10.0 sec are generally pretty proud of their reputation and would have no particular wish to change their name to escape that rep.
The "criminals" who would want to whitewash their characters names are (much like in real life) rarely the sort of pirates who get chased by the police. You don't take a sec hit for margin trade scams or corp thefts or pyramid schemes or awoxing or spying.
Sec status is a non issue here tbh.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
698
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:32:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote: If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions.
I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example.
Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's)
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:22:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Gamer4liff wrote: If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions.
I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example. Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's) Fair point.
Upon further reflection of the example though, if you set them a standing (as you should if you're keeping track of people individually and all), their bad standing would still be preserved through the name change and you'd see a fairly large red flag whenever they entered local chat seeing the standing next to their name. If I'm remembering the existing system working like that right. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
38
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:13:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote: I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example.
Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's)
Fair point. Upon further reflection of the example though, if you set them a standing (as you should if you're keeping track of people individually and all), their bad standing would still be preserved through the name change and you'd see a fairly large red flag whenever they entered local chat seeing the standing next to their name. If I'm remembering the existing system working like that right. jint has been posting in this topic since it was first created and we've been saying the entire time he'd get a notification. He's either incapable of reading or trolling. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
699
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Posted - 2013.07.26 08:20:00 -
[37] - Quote
Yes i know you have been saying that a notification would be sent out. 'if you have that person set to some level of standing'
Maybe I am playing Eve 'wrong', but I personally don't have everyone I recognize in Eve setup with a standing.
I'm sure there are people out there, in the bigger alliances, or regulars in the more lawless parts of the Eve universe who have hundreds of people setup in their standings. If people start regularly changing their names, thats going to be a nightmare to keep track of.
Even so, with this idea we are now playing 'keep track of notifications about who is who', and if you ask me it adds another layer of complexity which does not make Eve more fun to play. (and it is a game, which is supposed to be enjoyable)
As you can probably tell, I don't support name-changes in Eve. Never have.. never will. I'm sorry if you think I'm 'incapable of reading' (i'm not!) or that I'm Trolling (also not).
Fly Safe!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
126
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Posted - 2013.07.26 12:29:00 -
[38] - Quote
EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
1
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:57:00 -
[39] - Quote
Job Valador wrote:EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on.
Yeah, and it's funny how they give us a choice to change our entire character's appearance, but not the name. In some ways, that's even moreso changing than a name change.
You could use the real world as an example.
What's a greater change? Changing your name? Or getting surgery to drastically change your appearance...?
All characters, from what i can see, have been flagged for recustomization if you haven't already done so... so, yeah.
Give my character a nosejob, eyelift, etc. Take the pornstar route, or change their name?
Hmm.... that's a tough one. I can't tell which is a greater change... |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:11:00 -
[40] - Quote
Job Valador wrote:EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on. It is a game of choices, yes, but there is generally Always an in-game solution to overcome mistakes, and the mistakes hurt, but they are not permanently debilitating. Lose a ship stupidly? Don't fly like that again. Got scammed? Don't fall for the scam again. Undock with 20 PLEX in your hold in an ibis from Jita 4-4? Etc. Here the problem is constant and all but unavoidable, the only "solution" is to purchase a new char with isk, or start over, quite immersion breaking.
The game has been moving toward having no permanent way to screw up your char for a while now, years ago you could not remap your attributes, or change your face. I see no reason it can't be taken one step further and allow people to change their names, with proper and reasonable implementation. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
704
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Posted - 2013.07.30 07:52:00 -
[41] - Quote
I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A lot of time to think about this.
The reason for the misspelling is I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress so I created this one, then deleted the old one.
I was a dumb kid, ok? |
Valentine Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:35:00 -
[43] - Quote
i do think this is a good idea |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11052
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A Lot, of time to think about this. The reason for the misspelling is that I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress. So I created this one, then deleted the old one with the correct spelling. I was a dumb kid, ok?
Perhaps you were thinking of the meaning of liff?
1 Kings 12:11
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Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:05:00 -
[45] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A Lot, of time to think about this. The reason for the misspelling is that I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress. So I created this one, then deleted the old one with the correct spelling. I was a dumb kid, ok? Perhaps you were thinking of the meaning of liff?
Ha, I wish I had been culturally aware enough to even make that reference at the time. |
Layla Raven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 00:03:00 -
[46] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
That "someone" in this case was 14 years old at the time, and is now in his early twenties. I'm almost twice his current age (), but I can tell you, I don't think someone should "suffer the consequences of their actions" for something as simple as a name they picked when they were going through puberty. If someone has been loyal enough of a fan to a game company to keep playing after nearly a decade, allowing them to change their hard-earned character's name to something they like better is a small bone to throw.
I may change a toon name if it is allowed, or I may not. I don't have any names I'm unhappy with, which were picked 6 years ago. But even still, I am very much in favor of this idea. And Jint, just as you don't care if people are offended by your choice to be against name changes, I don't care if you have to overcome a minor inconvenience while mining if it is implemented. |
Amarr Priest
e X i l e The Initiative.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:01:00 -
[47] - Quote
I support this 100% I would love to change the name on this character. My character name sometimes even causes me problems in the game. My name is also the name of a cosmos NPC and normally that would break the Eula but CCP says otherwise.
I bought this character years ago because I knew with a little work I could make it a great pvp toon. Now that I have made the character my own why can't I name it as my own? |
cearaen
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
8
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Posted - 2013.08.17 19:01:00 -
[48] - Quote
I think we could build a bit more game play into it. After all outlaws had different identities and it was always part of the fun to find out who they really were. For example: In order to change your name you would need to get a very high standing with a pirate faction and complete a mission. You will need to have a low concord standing (security standing say -5) before you can talk with this agent as otherwise he will think you are a spy for concord.
Finish the mission and you will get something from the agent that will help you change your name. But you won't be able to do it as long as you are an outlaw. You will need to grind your standings back up to positive in order for the paperwork to go through regarding how you are reported in local etc.
Your name will then be changed on your character but there should be ways people can track down who you were. This could include the use of a skill and the use of other agents in the game. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
767
|
Posted - 2013.08.19 09:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
Amarr Priest wrote: I bought this character years ago because I knew with a little work I could make it a great pvp toon. Now that I have made the character my own why can't I name it as my own?
If you wanted to name a character as your own, why didn't you create it as your own?
The name was part of what you were buying, so you made your choice.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
3
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Posted - 2013.08.20 01:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Just do it, already.
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Saint Evonivon
e X i l e The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Support! |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
140
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:22:00 -
[52] - Quote
As stated before by many others, the main thing that would need to be implemented here, is your public character sheet would need a list of former identities. As long as the paper trail is visible, it's fine in my book.
But I'd charge for it. If you want to change your name, I think that's a good use for Aurum. And that goes for the fact that a lot of DUSTies have been begging for this ability too. I wouldn't make it a one-time-only deal either. Game is going to exist for decades, yo. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
50
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Gamer4liff
Tea has just snorted out my nose. But great advert why this would be a good feature.
I would say same costs and rules as character transfer. Not in corp etc.
Limited to 1 change a year.
Name change would take 1 week to apply so that those who naughty ( exploit ) can be found and petitioned. No joining a corp during name change timeout.
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Mu cows
0
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Posted - 2013.08.29 08:15:00 -
[54] - Quote
+1 Since you create a toon before you know the naming conventions of the game.
Also, if someone howls "droooooooo" at me over TS one more time, I'm going to shoot myself in the face. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
55
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
Crystal Stills wrote:I know this has been brought up many times but for many of us when we started playing this game we were not serious about the game and gave our characters poor names. We also bought characters with poor names because that's all that is sold on the character bazaar. I for one have characters I would love to be able to rename. The nature of the game and the time it takes to train characters makes it pointless to start new characters for the sake of a name change. For example I have two toons at 65 and 83 million sp you are talking 3 to 4 years to get that back if I remade them. I propose a one time name change per account not character for a fee along with conditions.
- Sec status must be at 3 or above.
- Character has no petitions against them.
- Account has never been suspended by ccp.
Once a name change has occurred all people with that character on their watch list will receive a eve mail notification of the character changing their name so you can identify who's character that is on your list. I also want to bring up a point, people always fight this idea cuz they say criminals can erase what they have done. For a second humor me, this would be a one time deal per "account". Now with the character bazaar you can change out characters and erase you actions every week if you wanted too and as we have seen money is now object for many people as seen by the things people do in the game. If you only change a name their actions will still be known due to the eve mail and by their kill and loss stats that will still be attached. Weigh that in your mind before you fight this proposal. Character Bazaar = unlimited identity erase Character Rename = Just a name change
If this is implemented then it should be done as an in-game player provided service run by certified space lawyers. |
Ryan Easte
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.03 12:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
I have commented in the past on other threads regarding this and I will do it again on this thread. I fully support this simple request and see no way how it could possibly break the game. It would make MY Eve experience much more enjoyable and there are plenty of options that can be implemented if decided in order to keep things in check. |
Leppard
Hoc Age
2
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
Why not give people with changed names a little marker in local? Maybe another colour, a little "star" in front or at the end of the name. Perhaps only for the first 4-6 weeks after the change. |
Valentine Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.09.18 16:16:00 -
[58] - Quote
so are we geting any more form this or any one know any thing? |
STush T
Capital Sin
3
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Its a small trivial thing, and since connecting with your avatar is as important as enjoying the game it would be silly to have to hate your name. Identity is only in a small part your actual name. There is corp history, bounties, standings, etc. It should be painful though, so you dont get trolls doing for kicks and giggles. Id assume that 2b combined with a once per character would be a good safeguard. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
55
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:19:00 -
[60] - Quote
2 bil? that's just stupid expensive. Make it only doable once per year and you've got your safeguard. We've beaten this horse dead already with ways for people to keep up with who has changed their name so there is no need to get ridiculous with the req's <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
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STush T
Capital Sin
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:54:00 -
[61] - Quote
The ONLY reason i say 2bil is because it needs to be painful enough that the average scammer/griefer/obnoxious little $hit wouldnt want to do it. 2bil is high, but if you really hate your characters name, and youve hated it for awhile, 2 bill is worth it. Course I dont hate my name so i can say "it should 2.45 trillion" no skin off my back.
But the point is it should hurt the iskies enough to make it only worthwhile to people who loathe their name. |
Crystal Stills
Compendium Research Company
21
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Posted - 2013.10.23 02:17:00 -
[62] - Quote
Just giving the thread a bump every once in a while as I want to see this happen. |
Shaera Taam
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
Bumping for justice...
Not because of this toon, i love my main here.
Its an alt i bought off an old friend so an '04 toon didnt get biomassed. That friend def did NOT care about naming conventions... Its painful to even login with the name he's sporting...
As for reqs, dont tie it to /just/ isk. Baaad idea. We all know isk is not a balance for anything ( coughtitanscough ). Just give it a one-year cooldown, a 'x changed his name to y' notification to all watch-list holders, and an entry on an 'alias' tab. All ideas that make sense.
Hell, you could even make it use the remap counter, in conjunction with all the above requirements. Has a certain total-recall, lore-flavor to it, eh? Esp for those characters on the bazaar who're maybe looking for a completely new lease on life...
-st
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Suran Parr
Os Terriveis
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:32:00 -
[64] - Quote
No, I would miss all those odd names that keep popping up in local. |
Crystal Stills
Compendium Research Company
21
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
I wouldn't miss them, I rather see real names |
Valentine Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:44:00 -
[66] - Quote
have we heard any thing about this? |
Mad Monty Python
Altruism.
0
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Posted - 2013.12.27 10:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
bump |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
606
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Posted - 2013.12.28 11:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
I made this name on a trial for the lulz....
5 years later....
Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
ionageman TOG
security services
2
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:12:00 -
[69] - Quote
Can't understand why name / history isn't wiped when toon is sold .
Cost a fortune . Comes with baggage .
Why should the buyer be penalized for the previous owners sins .
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
1085
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:17:00 -
[70] - Quote
ionageman TOG wrote:
Can't understand why name / history isn't wiped when toon is sold .
DERP... because then it would be simple to whitewash characters with well known bad reputations.
ionageman TOG wrote: Why should the buyer be penalized for the previous owners sins .
maybe the buyer should do some research into the item that hes buying, rather than simply looking at SPs. A character is more than the number of his skill points.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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ionageman TOG
security services
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:53:00 -
[71] - Quote
Man that'd just kill the game in it's tracks . Huh. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
816
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:40:00 -
[72] - Quote
I like the idea. No sec status restriction needs to apply. Why would it matter what the toons sec status is?
I didnt expect to play past the 21 day trial so I just typed my gamer tag as one word. Lazy and stuff. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
Although I am generally against this in principle, I'm not above making suggestions so if it does happen, its a bit more palatable
One requirement to me would be that any past names appear on your profile (say, in a clear colour between where your character name and your titles appear), and that the old name is still linked to your character (so for example, any Eve Gate search of your old name (or even something close to it) would bring up your new character name as a possible result, and no-one else can ever reuse the name).
I might even argue that a symbol appear against your name in any chat channel windows (in particular local), that signifies you are known by other names, so more cautious people can be warned it might be worth checking your profile to make sure you aren't known to them in another form - although, depending how easy/cheap this service would be to use, this might be pointless if a large percentage of pilots use it (if half the pilots in the local window in any given system is showing the icon, people will stop taking it as a warning, so rendering in pointless). |
Omad Kafshaz
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
I think you should at least be allowed one name change if you buy a character from the character bazaar. |
Deimos Caerus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
Just make it like with corp history so you can see name history of each player to avoid scam > change name > scam etc.
If you can see the previous names it shouldn't really cause any problems. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2670
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
If your that "serious" about eve... start over with your preferred name.
After all, "serious" people will invest the 3-4 years to get back their SP.... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
91
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:ionageman TOG wrote:
Can't understand why name / history isn't wiped when toon is sold .
DERP... because then it would be simple to whitewash characters with well known bad reputations. ionageman TOG wrote: Why should the buyer be penalized for the previous owners sins .
maybe the buyer should do some research into the item that hes buying, rather than simply looking at SPs. A character is more than the number of his skill points. it is very difficult to impossible to research a toons reputation if that toon doesn't post in the forums. yes there are some tools to help keep track of scammers/spammers but they have very big holes in them and are not some defacto way to "research" a toon for sale. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Eave Galova
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Please bump this.
I just copy pasted this from the Wiki on name changes. Wouldn't be tough to mimic real world policy, would it?
"It is necessary to plead that the name change is not for a fraudulent or other illegal purpose, such as evading a lien or debt or for defaming someone else. The applicant may be required to give a reasonable explanation for wanting to change her or his name. A fee is generally payable, and the applicant may be required to post legal notices in newspapers to announce the name change. Generally the judge has limited judicial discretion to grant or deny a change of name, usually only if the name change is for fraudulent, frivolous or immoral purposes."
Essentially, a name change in EVE would involve a simple background check including past corporations or petitions placed against you, as well as sec status at time of request. A decent explanation as to why a person would like to change their name seems logical, as well. Once the name is officially changed, definitely have a name history attached to the char, with a marker for anyone who's changed their name recently, as well as alerts for friends / corps of people who have. From a dev standpoint, this is less than a headache. I hope to see this implemented.
EDIT: Definitely have only allow Only ONE name change per char, including the request process listed above, so that this couldn't be abused over a longer EVE career. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1455
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:54:00 -
[79] - Quote
Give it these limitations and I'll support:
1.) character has never destroyed a player ship owned by someone else, piloted or not, while in empire space 2.) character has not stolen goods within the last year 3.) character has stolen a total value under the current price of a PLEX throughout the entire character's lifespan 4.) character has never had a sec status below -0.5 at any point in time 5.) character has never been kicked from a corp 6.) character has never been given a personal standings below neutral by anyone
or alternatively, this limitation only:
1.) a search for the character's old name turns up the character in the search along with anyone else who actually has that as a current name, and the name history can be looked up on the character's info page.
TL;DR the most important bit is that it needs to not be usable as a way of hiding from a reputation. It should be obvious to all your friends and enemies who you are. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Kyle Tawate
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:05:00 -
[80] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Give it these limitations and I'll support:
1.) character has never destroyed a player ship owned by someone else, piloted or not, while in empire space 2.) character has not stolen goods within the last year 3.) character has stolen a total value under the current price of a PLEX throughout the entire character's lifespan 4.) character has never had a sec status below -0.5 at any point in time 5.) character has never been kicked from a corp 6.) character has never been given a personal standings below neutral by anyone
or alternatively, this limitation only:
1.) a search for the character's old name turns up the character in the search along with anyone else who actually has that as a current name, and the name history can be looked up on the character's info page.
TL;DR the most important bit is that it needs to not be usable as a way of hiding from a reputation. It should be obvious to all your friends and enemies who you are. If you ran for csm, I will vote for you. This is the strategic thinking EVE leaders are currently missing. Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.30 22:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Kyle Tawate wrote:If you ran for csm, I will vote for you. This is the strategic thinking EVE leaders are currently missing. (Just realised you'e tes, so I don't know how my corp will feel about that statement) Support Gizznitt Malikite for CSM then. I don't know if he plans to run, but it was after reading his post here (post #20) that I re-evaluated mine and added the second part. He is a man of reason and he knows a lot about EVE. The CSM could use someone like him.
I think the best option is to not base the name change on cost and simply make sure it is impossible to use it to drop your identity. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2014
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Posted - 2014.05.30 22:01:01 -
[82] - Quote
Kyle Tawate wrote:If you ran for csm, I will vote for you. This is the strategic thinking EVE leaders are currently missing. (Just realised you'e tes, so I don't know how my corp will feel about that statement) Support Gizznitt Malikite for CSM then. I don't know if he plans to run, but it was after reading his post here (post #20) that I re-evaluated mine and added the second part. He is a man of reason and he knows a lot about EVE. The CSM could use someone like him.
I think the best option is to not base the name change on cost and simply make sure it is impossible to use it to drop your identity.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Adunh Slavy
1461
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Posted - 2014.06.01 16:30:00 -
[83] - Quote
Add new info to characters: Name History. Like corp history, it is there forever. Use that in conjuction with the notes field, to keep data on people.
See someone doing names changes once a year or every three months, or whatever the limit is, and you know he's not to be trusted.
Name change history would nip the "fear" of bad people changing their name. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Adunh Slavy
1596
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Posted - 2014.06.01 16:30:47 -
[84] - Quote
Add new info to characters: Name History. Like corp history, it is there forever. Use that in conjuction with the notes field, to keep data on people.
See someone doing names changes once a year or every three months, or whatever the limit is, and you know he's not to be trusted.
Name change history would nip the "fear" of bad people changing their name.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
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t Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:37:00 -
[85] - Quote
am surprise its not in game already . name change history is all the safeguard you need . |
t Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.06.01 22:37:43 -
[86] - Quote
am surprise its not in game already . name change history is all the safeguard you need . |
Kyle Tawate
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:00:00 -
[87] - Quote
t Hanaya wrote:am surprise its not in game already . name change history is all the safeguard you need . Unfortunatly, some people are harder to educate than others on such a straight forward issue. Its kinda like marige equality or pot legalisation; its a good idea, but its hard to pass. Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO. |
Kyle Tawate
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:00:20 -
[88] - Quote
t Hanaya wrote:am surprise its not in game already . name change history is all the safeguard you need . Unfortunatly, some people are harder to educate than others on such a straight forward issue. Its kinda like marriage equality or pot legalisation; its a good idea, but its hard to pass.
Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO.
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Kyle Tawate
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.07.08 03:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:No no no..... Eve does not need name changes.
If you buy a character then you should look for one with a name you want as well as the skills you are looking for.
If you chose a bad name in the first place, suck it up, you made that decision.
I'm sorry, but what you said was closed minded at best. "Sucking it up" is a code word for lack of empathy and lazy problem solving. I would concider maybe actually countering the ideas set on the table, rather than white washing the issue with a "we don't need this" excuse.
I hope this has helped you in discussing about name changes.
Have a nice day. Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO. |
Kyle Tawate
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.07.08 03:41:03 -
[90] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:No no no..... Eve does not need name changes.
If you buy a character then you should look for one with a name you want as well as the skills you are looking for.
If you chose a bad name in the first place, suck it up, you made that decision.
I'm sorry, but what you said was closed minded at best. "Sucking it up" is a code word for lack of empathy and lazy problem solving. I would concider maybe actually countering the ideas set on the table, rather than white washing the issue with a "we don't need this" excuse.
I hope this has helped you in discussing about name changes.
Have a nice day.
Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
1228
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Posted - 2014.07.14 08:02:00 -
[91] - Quote
Kyle Tawate wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:No no no..... Eve does not need name changes.
If you buy a character then you should look for one with a name you want as well as the skills you are looking for.
If you chose a bad name in the first place, suck it up, you made that decision. I'm sorry, but what you said was closed minded at best. "Sucking it up" is a code word for lack of empathy and lazy problem solving. I would concider maybe actually countering the ideas set on the table, rather than white washing the issue with a "we don't need this" excuse. I hope this has helped you in discussing about name changes. Have a nice day.
OMG you've totally convinced me, how could I have been so wrong, I completely reverse my stance on this subject.
Wait, Nope.... sorry, I was in sarcasm mode.
Name Changes still bring extra complexity, the need to check for a name history on everyone you meet and unwelcome character reputation laundering.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
1255
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Posted - 2014.07.14 08:02:40 -
[92] - Quote
Kyle Tawate wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:No no no..... Eve does not need name changes.
If you buy a character then you should look for one with a name you want as well as the skills you are looking for.
If you chose a bad name in the first place, suck it up, you made that decision. I'm sorry, but what you said was closed minded at best. "Sucking it up" is a code word for lack of empathy and lazy problem solving. I would concider maybe actually countering the ideas set on the table, rather than white washing the issue with a "we don't need this" excuse. I hope this has helped you in discussing about name changes. Have a nice day.
OMG you've totally convinced me, how could I have been so wrong, I completely reverse my stance on this subject.
Wait, Nope.... sorry, I was in sarcasm mode.
Name Changes still bring extra complexity, the need to check for a name history on everyone you meet and unwelcome character reputation laundering.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Felix Judge
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces Spaceship Samurai
10
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Posted - 2014.09.23 12:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Sure.... the game may have an unchangeable string of numbers to identify each player, but as a player, I recognize other players only by their name.
Not everyone in the game is on my watchlist.... not even the regulars in my local system are. However I recognize these people by their name and I know what some of them are likely to do.
With a name change function, any name i don't recognize could potentially be someone I do know with a name change. So now I have to check the name change history of everyone around me in case they used to be someone I knew. [...]
All of this is a lot less serious when the name changes are restricted to e.g. once every one / two / three years, like the neural remap timer, and becomes eligible only after twelve months' of subscription. |
Felix Judge
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces Spaceship Samurai
14
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Posted - 2014.09.23 12:25:11 -
[94] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Sure.... the game may have an unchangeable string of numbers to identify each player, but as a player, I recognize other players only by their name.
Not everyone in the game is on my watchlist.... not even the regulars in my local system are. However I recognize these people by their name and I know what some of them are likely to do.
With a name change function, any name i don't recognize could potentially be someone I do know with a name change. So now I have to check the name change history of everyone around me in case they used to be someone I knew. [...]
All of this is a lot less serious when the name changes are restricted to e.g. once every one / two / three years, like the neural remap timer, and becomes eligible only after twelve months' of subscription. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
161
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:00:00 -
[95] - Quote
If there was a substantial cost in isk (NOT plex) involved If it was allowed not more than once every six months A search for your character also showed a list of names the character used to have.
This way people are not lumbered with the stupid name they picked/inherited when they were drunk/bought the char. A name change would not hide the characters previous sins.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
222
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:00:18 -
[96] - Quote
If there was a substantial cost in isk (NOT plex) involved If it was allowed not more than once every six months A search for your character also showed a list of names the character used to have.
This way people are not lumbered with the stupid name they picked/inherited when they were drunk/bought the char. A name change would not hide the characters previous sins.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
593
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:06:00 -
[97] - Quote
I don't think name changes should be brought into Eve. However I can understand why some people would like the chance to change a name they picked in their earlier years.
For me the only way to introduce name changes into Eve is to let every character have one name change. You don't need to purchase it or have a certain security status. Every single character gets one chance to rename themselves.
The new name gets placed on the main character sheet so its easy to see.
eg. Archibald Thistlewaite III formaly known as- Mad dog Mcgrue.
It is also highlighted in the Employment history when and which corp you were a member off when the name was changed.
By limiting it to only once it reduces names changes being the way to avoid the consequences of your more dubious activities. Although your old name will appear right next to your new name when people show info on you.
For the character bazaar, it allows you to ask a premium for your character if it has a name change available. If you are buying you can either pick a character with a name you like or pick one with a rename available, then its up to you if you want to rename and reduce the value on any sell on.
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
633
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:06:03 -
[98] - Quote
I don't think name changes should be brought into Eve. However I can understand why some people would like the chance to change a name they picked in their earlier years.
For me the only way to introduce name changes into Eve is to let every character have one name change. You don't need to purchase it or have a certain security status. Every single character gets one chance to rename themselves.
The new name gets placed on the main character sheet so its easy to see.
eg. Archibald Thistlewaite III formaly known as- Mad dog Mcgrue.
It is also highlighted in the Employment history when and which corp you were a member off when the name was changed.
By limiting it to only once it reduces names changes being the way to avoid the consequences of your more dubious activities. Although your old name will appear right next to your new name when people show info on you.
For the character bazaar, it allows you to ask a premium for your character if it has a name change available. If you are buying you can either pick a character with a name you like or pick one with a rename available, then its up to you if you want to rename and reduce the value on any sell on.
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Maccian
Soul Takers
18
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:53:00 -
[99] - Quote
Not a fan of this idea. Mainly got issues with people buying a char then renaming them. You want to pick your toons name then you have to start from scratch like the rest of us. Also some eve lore and history might be effected. Not to mention renaming bait alts |
Maccian
Soul Takers
20
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:53:22 -
[100] - Quote
Not a fan of this idea. Mainly got issues with people buying a char then renaming them. You want to pick your toons name then you have to start from scratch like the rest of us. Also some eve lore and history might be effected. Not to mention renaming bait alts |
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Random Nardieu
Lone Star Warriors Yulai Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:22:00 -
[101] - Quote
I support this, But I would like to see previous names on the characters bio, also keep Alliance standings the same, for a NRDS player I need standings to survive! |
Random Nardieu
Lone Star Warriors Yulai Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:22:41 -
[102] - Quote
I support this, But I would like to see previous names on the characters bio, also keep Alliance standings the same, for a NRDS player I need standings to survive! |
Flamespar
Pradox One Proficiency V.
1242
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:17:00 -
[103] - Quote
They can already do this on the Serenity server, not sure what the requirements are for it though. EVE Chronicle: An audio drama set in the EVE universe
http://evechronicle.blogspot.com.au/ https://twitter.com/Flamespar |
Flamespar
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
1257
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:17:53 -
[104] - Quote
They can already do this on the Serenity server, not sure what the requirements are for it though.
EVE Chronicle: An audio drama set in the EVE universe
http://evechronicle.blogspot.com.au/
https://twitter.com/Flamespar
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Kyle Tawate
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.12.03 00:47:45 -
[105] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:They can already do this on the Serenity server, not sure what the requirements are for it though. So are you telling us, that China can have it, but we can't?
Name changes are a fundemental feature for any sucessful MMO.
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Woeful Animation
N.F.H.P. Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2015.01.08 14:54:12 -
[106] - Quote
I would favor this, but I would have one very strong condition.
The prior name and history of the character must be made available in the biography of the character. It would be read only and not editable. All standings would remain the same, the employment history would also remain. Nothing other than the character's name would otherwise change. The date the old name was assumed and the date of the change would also be noted.
Yes, if you apply to a corps they would see the old name. It would be up to the owner to explain the change. All other similar name changes would be noted in biography. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
264
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Posted - 2015.01.08 16:02:42 -
[107] - Quote
Their former name should show up in their character info like corp history. |
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