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Replacement Portrait
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Posted - 2005.12.13 08:22:00 -
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How competitive can frigates be for PvP? Solo? Group?
I was considering investing a lot of my skill training into frigates so that I could specialize in the smaller class of ship. I just prefer moving faster than my opponents and avoiding their weapons. How possible is this?
I'm more or less restricted to Caldari frigates at the moment. What is a good, fast solo PvP frigate, and what is the vital equipment to win? I have a kestrel, but it's really not that fast with the current setup. It's only a little bit faster than my blackbird, and I have difficulty closing in on just NPC targets that deal heavy missile damage.
Any advice? I just think it would be a lot of fun to zip around and take out targets alone. Is this only possible against other frigates, or can I take cruisers too?
Thanks for any help.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2005.12.13 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 13/12/2005 08:51:55 Competitive - yes... Alone - not likely... Groups - the more the merrier...
Tech 1 frigates are weak and cheap - I dont think you can achieve much alone... You might have fun but you need a group to wreck havoc on larger enemies (unless poorly equpped) - You should start trying to pvp in these as you can probably afford to loose them...
Tech 2 frigates are weak and expensive - very specialized for group encounters... When you know what you are doing they are much better than tech 1
Assault Frigates are very tough - The are expensive but not too weak... When you get to fly 1 of these you'll start doing damage, but you can still be vaporished quick, so you should still be among friends when possible...
This is from a readers view as I haven't got time and money for any tech 2 frigates yet...
Pinky
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 09:38:00 -
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Frigate taking out cruisers...
My merlin is capable of taking out 2 cruisers from Osprey/Blackbird class. Assault Frigates is very capable in killing cruisers.
A senior corpmember of mine able to take out NPC battleship in his Harpy Assault Frigate ( let alone tank them ). That's because he fitted his harpy with insanely expensive stuff ( GISTI SB ). --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.13 09:59:00 -
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Frigates are probably the most used PvP ships in EVE. Tech 1 frigate blobs are extremely effective, being both cheap and powerful.
Solo, they're not as good. But you need skill to use them solo. For example, a very well piloted Kestrel can take out Assault Frigates costing 10s of millions of ISK. However, its hard. - Proud member of the [23].
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Replacement Portrait
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Posted - 2005.12.13 10:07:00 -
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Ok, I guess my next questions are:
These Kestrels that, when piloted well, can take out what are typically stronger, more expensive ships...what do they use to do so? Is it only a factor of skill points, personal skill, equipment, or whatever?
And on to a more important question, I suppose. What do powerful PvP corps look for nowadays in terms of frigate pilots? Regular ones, interceptor, covert ops, assault frigates? I'd like to really get maxed out skills in one area and make it my specialty.
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Xantina
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Posted - 2005.12.13 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Xantina on 13/12/2005 10:33:59 I can tell you firsthand that an AF or Inty will kill a kestrel rather quickly :) It's not a fast boat, and it does not have a lot of slots to increase survivability. It's a good choice for taking out either unarmed targets like haulers and miners or larger ships provided you survive to get close enough so they can't hit you, and better hope they are not rigged for close range cause a Kestrel on a mwd won't go a lot faster than 1500ish m/s so you're not going to run from missiles or drones.
The key thing is: don't engage ships that are stronger than you. Since frigates are on the low end of the scale, you need to pick carefully. On the bright side: Frigates are cheap. I suggest you plan loosing a few Kestrels in order to find out what they can do. Some frigates deliver a good punch. Rocket Kestrels and Merlins are nice, so are Rifters or Vigils (not much experience with Gallente or Amarr designs). Specializing in friagtes is a Good Thing (tm) since the skills are hardly wasted: lots of advanced ships require frigate 5 (inties, assaults, stealth ships) anyways.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.13 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/12/2005 10:51:28
Originally by: Xantina
I can tell you firsthand that an AF or Inty will kill a kestrel rather quickly :)
Then you've never fought a properly fit kestrel.
I know a guy who regularly kills Harpies, Jaguars, Taranises, Enyos, and Claws in them. Even I hopped in a Kestrel one day and took out a plated Claw with tech 2 guns (I had no tech 2) with ease.
Easy? Probably not. You need damn good tactics and exactly the right setup.
Originally by: Replacement Portrait Ok, I guess my next questions are:
These Kestrels that, when piloted well, can take out what are typically stronger, more expensive ships...what do they use to do so? Is it only a factor of skill points, personal skill, equipment, or whatever?
You need pretty good skill points, but you also need good tactics. In general, the trick is to engage the enemy in a manner where you have the advantage. For example, with the kestrel, if the enemy is using short range guns, you dual-web him at 8km or so, and he can't hit you. If he's using long range guns, you dual-web him at point blank so he can't hit you either.
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And on to a more important question, I suppose. What do powerful PvP corps look for nowadays in terms of frigate pilots? Regular ones, interceptor, covert ops, assault frigates? I'd like to really get maxed out skills in one area and make it my specialty.
Tacklers, people who work well in a group, covert ops, and pretty much anyone who can kill and scramble stuff. - Proud member of the [23].
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.12.13 10:54:00 -
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You can take out a bs in a kessy if you catch him in a mining setup.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.13 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kyozoku You can take out a bs in a kessy if you catch him in a mining setup.
Not if he's got a tank on though
Though the guy who won the Firmus Ixion darwin awards lost a tanked Raven to a kestrel... he was AFK at a gate - Proud member of the [23].
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:23:00 -
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If you are planning on pvping in 0.0 you will be in the minority out there flying a frigate. Especially with new ships coming out again. You ideally would need to be in a cruiser to somewhat stay alive and even flying that your fights are numbered unless you are choosey and have instas and safespots set up.
Now if you are in a group then frigates are absolutely a blast. All of them are viable if you know whom is doing what in the group. They are cheap and if you lose one then it isn't a big deal. I enjoy pvp whether I win or lose really and frigates suit my style of play more so than battleships.
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Theronnos
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:07:00 -
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I would realy like to give PVP a try but at the moment im still stuck with a frigate or maybe a cruiser type ship (minmatar) but the probleem is Concord. the only place I wont loss concord standing is 0.0 right? So I was wondering, whats a good way to get into PVP and if possible with out losing alot of concord standing.
Thx.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.13 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Replacement Portrait How competitive can frigates be for PvP? Solo? Group?
I was considering investing a lot of my skill training into frigates so that I could specialize in the smaller class of ship. I just prefer moving faster than my opponents and avoiding their weapons. How possible is this?
I'm more or less restricted to Caldari frigates at the moment. What is a good, fast solo PvP frigate, and what is the vital equipment to win? I have a kestrel, but it's really not that fast with the current setup. It's only a little bit faster than my blackbird, and I have difficulty closing in on just NPC targets that deal heavy missile damage.
Any advice? I just think it would be a lot of fun to zip around and take out targets alone. Is this only possible against other frigates, or can I take cruisers too?
Thanks for any help.
Investing heavily in frigate skills is an excellent investment.
Okay, 1 on 1, you're never gonna be able to take down any decent BS driver HOWEVER
Pound for pound, you get the most bang per isk out of frigates than out of anything else. They're dirt cheap and adaptable to any situation. A frigate fleet can be a serious danger to a fleet 10 times its tonnage and 100x its expense in both isk and skill points.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aaronus If you are planning on pvping in 0.0 you will be in the minority out there flying a frigate. Especially with new ships coming out again. You ideally would need to be in a cruiser to somewhat stay alive and even flying that your fights are numbered unless you are choosey and have instas and safespots set up.
Now if you are in a group then frigates are absolutely a blast. All of them are viable if you know whom is doing what in the group. They are cheap and if you lose one then it isn't a big deal. I enjoy pvp whether I win or lose really and frigates suit my style of play more so than battleships.
I'd have to say the vast majority of PvP ships in 0.0 are frigate-class ships. - Proud member of the [23].
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:40:00 -
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1 fast tech1 tackling frigate and a dmg setup tech1 cruiser\bc is a very cheap and effective duo for newer players. You'd be suprised what they can take out.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Theronnos I would realy like to give PVP a try but at the moment im still stuck with a frigate or maybe a cruiser type ship (minmatar) but the probleem is Concord. the only place I wont loss concord standing is 0.0 right? So I was wondering, whats a good way to get into PVP and if possible with out losing alot of concord standing.
Thx.
Join an "extorting" corp or an alliance. Or dec ppl yourself. It's 2m+ for corps and 50m+ for alliances.
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:52:00 -
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I'd have to say the vast majority of PvP ships in 0.0 are frigate-class ships.
Maybe in a group for a frig fleet possibly but you won't see very many solo frigate pilots out there and that is what I think the op is wondering. Can he be competitive flying a frigate, he can against other frigs or dumb pilots but given the amount of ships in this game and 0.0 providing plenty of wealth for those who live there, the majority fly bigger ships than frigates.
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Filan
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Posted - 2005.12.14 01:15:00 -
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thats kinda sad because imo the Kestrel is the best ship ive used so far. most bang for the buck ship when you have good missle skills.
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Filan thats kinda sad because imo the Kestrel is the best ship ive used so far. most bang for the buck ship when you have good missle skills.
Best ship in the game in my opinion. Anytime I am in a group, I fly the Kessie.
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