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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
995
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Posted - 2011.10.26 08:59:00 -
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GǪfor the record, with a normal strip miner and without mods to slow your Hulk down, you'll have ~30km of straight flight to mine, and if you want to insta-warp, you'll be flying at a speed that makes it take 7-+ minutes to cover that distance. Funnily enough, that's also about how long it takes to fill that unburdened Hulk up, so at that point, you might as well warp off to your dump spot anyway.
As a bonus, throwing more cargo capacity onto that Hulk also slows it down GÇö it takes more time to fill, but you have more time to fly in that insta-warp straight line. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪfor the record, with a normal strip miner and without mods to slow your Hulk down, you'll have ~30km of straight flight to mine, and if you want to insta-warp, you'll be flying at a speed that makes it take 7-+ minutes to cover that distance. Funnily enough, that's also about how long it takes to fill that unburdened Hulk up, so at that point, you might as well warp off to your dump spot anyway.
As a bonus, throwing more cargo capacity onto that Hulk also slows it down GÇö it takes more time to fill, but you have more time to fly in that insta-warp straight line. So with a total of 25 kills and 3 losses and NONE since 2009, you derived your expertise in these matters from????
Must be an alt yeah? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
57
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:13:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪfor the record, with a normal strip miner and without mods to slow your Hulk down, you'll have ~30km of straight flight to mine, and if you want to insta-warp, you'll be flying at a speed that makes it take 7-+ minutes to cover that distance. Funnily enough, that's also about how long it takes to fill that unburdened Hulk up, so at that point, you might as well warp off to your dump spot anyway.
As a bonus, throwing more cargo capacity onto that Hulk also slows it down GÇö it takes more time to fill, but you have more time to fly in that insta-warp straight line. So with a total of 25 kills and 3 losses and NONE since 2009, you derived your expertise in these matters from???? Must be an alt yeah?
With stats like that, Tippia must be pretty good at survival and potentially someone you should listen to?
I dunno... but 3 losses and none since 2009 offering advise on how to keep yer ship safe sounds like the advice is sound.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
995
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:18:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:you derived your expertise in these matters from? Experience and simple maths.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:20:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:The Apostle wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪfor the record, with a normal strip miner and without mods to slow your Hulk down, you'll have ~30km of straight flight to mine, and if you want to insta-warp, you'll be flying at a speed that makes it take 7-+ minutes to cover that distance. Funnily enough, that's also about how long it takes to fill that unburdened Hulk up, so at that point, you might as well warp off to your dump spot anyway.
As a bonus, throwing more cargo capacity onto that Hulk also slows it down GÇö it takes more time to fill, but you have more time to fly in that insta-warp straight line. So with a total of 25 kills and 3 losses and NONE since 2009, you derived your expertise in these matters from???? Must be an alt yeah? With stats like that, Tippia must be pretty good at survival and potentially someone you should listen to? I dunno... but 3 losses and none since 2009 offering advise on how to keep yer ship safe sounds like the advice is sound. Get it right Zag. NO KILLS either since 2009. He's done nothing.
And I wouldn't be bragging about your prowess on the field either. Kills yeah - time does that.
As an FC, fn hopeless screaming baby. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:you derived your expertise in these matters from? Experience and simple maths. Derived from? Watcha using girlie, how many roids you raped without losing a Hulk? I've never lost a Hulk either and I still call this mostly crap. I've done null, WH's lowsec, the whole gambit.
I never lost because I never got unlucky enough. It's mostly a lottery. I stopped mining WH's, lowsec and 0.0 because it's too much of a headfuck sitting and clicking on d-scan every 10 seconds all day.
Even PvP'ers don't have to do that all day.
Half the "advice" in this article is stupidly obvious but it's even stupider to implement.
It's not a drive by shooting ffs. They'e MINING.
Yes it's possible. Yes it can be done. Maybe it should be done. But it's totally impractical and ANY miner worth their salt knows this.
Yes, mining a WH or 0.0 and using these kinds of actions are mostly practical (and neccessary most days) but the rewards are far, far higher than being a miner in highsec slurping on veldspar. Risk v Reward right?
If every miner buzzed out at the first sight of a ganker or a probe it's already usually too late. Gankers know this and guys that have been ganked know this. Warp in cloaked with a "harmless" neut - who will NOT show on d-scan - combined with fast gate jump and warp and it's all over.
What about the "Orca" parked next to you in the belt. Harmless yeah?
Ganking highjsec miners is just fn lame, cowardly and if miners think taking it up the ass for someone else to get kicks and lols is fine then you are just suckers for the lameass crap being served. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
995
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:40:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Derived from? Like I said, experience and simple maths.
Do you wish to present some kind of argument, or just dribble out more fallacies?
Quote:Yes it's possible. Yes it can be done. Maybe it should be done. But it's totally impractical and ANY miner worth their salt knows this. It's entirely practical if you want to avoid getting blown up. But you're quite right: the problem is rather that the supposed threat to miners is completely overblown. The risk is close to zero, and in times of increased risk, these kinds of things lets you reduce it to close to zero again.
Quote:Ganking highjsec miners is just fn lame, cowardly Good thing that this is not really a game about inefficiency and bravery then. Have you considered the possibility that it's not really your kind of game? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
30
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:50:00 -
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SENSATIONS, INTRIGUES, INVESTIGATIONS!
stay tuned! (c) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
795
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:50:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Even PvP'ers don't have to do that all day...
They do when they're running pirate missions in 0.0 with 50 hostiles in local armed with tricked out probing ships, cloaky recons and interdictors, who won't take so much as a sec hit for ganking my Tengu (and if they succeeded, they could get enough loot from me to buy 4 or 5 of your silly Hulks)
After 6 months of ceaseless, paranoid vigilance and meticulous observence of risk mitigation procedure, the score is:
Hostiles: 0 Malc: 10s of billions of ISK earned, zero Tengus lost to gankers.
My DSCAN is kept pretty god damb busy tyvm. I routinely have it open at all times unless I'm flying logis in a large fleet fight or something.
If you're not doing your very best to avoid being attacked by people you don't want to fight, then how can anyone take seriously your claims that it's too easy for people to attack you?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:Derived from? Like I said, experience and simple maths. Do you wish to present some kind of argument, or just dribble out more fallacies? Quote:Yes it's possible. Yes it can be done. Maybe it should be done. But it's totally impractical and ANY miner worth their salt knows this. It's entirely practical if you want to avoid getting blown up. But you're quite right: the problem is rather that the supposed threat to miners is completely overblown. The risk is close to zero, and in times of increased risk, these kinds of things lets you reduce it to close to zero again. Quote:Ganking highjsec miners is just fn lame, cowardly Good thing that this is not really a game about inefficiency and bravery then. Have you considered the possibility that it's not really your kind of game? Reread my last sentence. You're either a lame miner prepared to take one and apologize for being a miner or you're not a miner which means you have no right to speak about what is "right" for miners.
Explain this away Tippia....
Ganker #1 turns up in a Covetor next to you and starts blipping roids. You send him a cheerio, he goes howdy and you have a nice little chat. You even fleet him up and offer the Orca boosts your mates holding for you parked by the sun.
He fills up and warps back to station. It's cool. He's a miner. 2 minutes later he warps back to you - in a Brutix. Bang. You're dead.
What method works here?
Ganker #2 a week later turns up in his Orca. 2 of his mates come with him in Covetors. They park next to the Orca. You chat etc., it's all cool. Happy days. Know what's coming do you? Ready to warp? Blap. Too late.
What method worked here?
Do we now warp away at EVERY ship that arrives in system? Even other miners?
These are just 2 ways off the top of my head in a couple of minutes. Not once can you EVER predict a gank and nor can you EVER be ready for it. All the guff about ways to avoid it are easily circumvented by gankers. There is simply NO counter when using a mining vessel in the capacity it is designed for.
The very fact that you all ACCEPT a suicide gank in highsec with 10 million "expert" methods to "avoid" it proves that you have lost the fight and will continue to lose it until you grow some and take on "the issue".
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote: Even PvP'ers don't have to do that all day...
They do when they're running pirate missions in 0.0 with 50 hostiles in local armed with tricked out probing ships, cloaky recons and interdictors, who won't take so much as a sec hit for ganking my Tengu (and if they succeeded, they could get enough loot from me to buy 4 or 5 of your silly Hulks) After 6 months of ceaseless, paranoid vigilance and meticulous observence of risk mitigation procedure, the score is: Hostiles: 0 Malc: 10s of billions of ISK earned, zero Tengus lost to gankers. My DSCAN is kept pretty god damb busy tyvm. I routinely have it open at all times unless I'm flying logis in a large fleet fight or something. If you're not doing your very best to avoid being attacked by people you don't want to fight, then how can anyone take seriously your claims that it's too easy for people to attack you? They are MINING - in highsec. Ganking IS illegal, it's WHY it takes a sec loss AND a Concord response. The fact you CAN is a patheticly lame game mechanic.
btw..... Do you run d-scan missioning? Do you run d-scan doing PI? Do you run d-scan doing freighter runs to Jita?
Every 10 seconds. In highsec?
Oranges and Apples Malcanis.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
996
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:07:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Reread my last sentence. You're either a lame miner prepared to take one and apologize for being a miner or you're not a miner which means you have no right to speak about what is "right" for miners. GǪor maybe the world of EVE isn't quite nearly as cut and dried as you think it isGǪ
Quote:Ganker #1 [GǪ] What method works here? All of the ones mentioned in this thread.
Quote:Ganker #2 [GǪ] What method worked here? Hard to tell unless you explain what happens thenGǪ At any rate, staying aligned will work quite nicely.
Quote:These are just 2 ways off the top of my head in a couple of minutes. They're not very good ways since they're trivially beaten by staying aligned.
Quote:The very fact that you all ACCEPT a suicide gank in highsec with 10 million "expert" methods to "avoid" it proves that you have lost the fight and will continue to lose it until you grow some and take on "the issue". What issue? And what fight have I lost? In particular, what constitutes a loss here?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
996
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:10:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:They are MINING - in highsec. Ganking IS illegal, it's WHY it takes a sec loss AND a Concord response. The fact you CAN is a patheticly lame game mechanic. No, it's just what makes EVE EVE: it's a game mechanic that lets everyone do what they want, including things you don't want them to do. It's neither pathetic, nor lame GÇö it's required.
Welcome to the sandbox.
It's only lame because you don't want the kind of gameplay that it generates and possibly because you haven't quite thought through what it would mean if it were removed. So again, you might want to consider the possibility that this is not the game for youGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:16:00 -
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I'm not a bot and so I'd like to point out the the blindingly obvious...if I get ganked its because someome targeted my ship and fired their weapons at me. Quite why that is "my fault" eludes me.
Even though I'm a confirmed carebear, when mining, I always have used d-scan...strangely enough not once has another Mack in a belt ever locked me up and fired on me, so there must be some other thing happening here.
So okay...flame away.
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:20:00 -
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All you experts will be mining ice tomorrow in Gal space just to prove how very right you are I take it?
"Cough cough harumph well er ahem mining is boring and um ehhhh i have better things to do and hem haw ahem hem hem."
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪfor the record, with a normal strip miner and without mods to slow your Hulk down, you'll have ~30km of straight flight to mine, and if you want to insta-warp, you'll be flying at a speed that makes it take 7-+ minutes to cover that distance. Funnily enough, that's also about how long it takes to fill that unburdened Hulk up, so at that point, you might as well warp off to your dump spot anyway.
As a bonus, throwing more cargo capacity onto that Hulk also slows it down GÇö it takes more time to fill, but you have more time to fly in that insta-warp straight line.
No expert on mining because I would rather shove a hot poker up my urethra then mine but why not get an alt in corp with 2-3 web's target the miner then activate and leave the web's on. Drop your speed to next to nothing. This would stop you moving out of range of the roid and when you hit warp it is almost instant.
Smart PVP players know Point before Web or your just helping them get away.
Again no expert but this is another option that could possibly work.
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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:They are MINING - in highsec. Ganking IS illegal, it's WHY it takes a sec loss AND a Concord response. The fact you CAN is a patheticly lame game mechanic. No, it's just what makes EVE EVE: it's a game mechanic that lets everyone do what they want, including things you don't want them to do. It's neither pathetic, nor lame GÇö it's required. Welcome to the sandbox. It's only lame because you don't want the kind of gameplay that it generates and possibly because you haven't quite thought through what it would mean if it were removed. So again, you might want to consider the possibility that this is not the game for youGǪ
Tippia,
It seems to me that lots of the Goon's rationale behind their current campaign is that they can't understand why people want to mine 'because its boring' etc...so the Goons' idea must be lame because the game allows gameplay that the Goons don't want.
So maybe the game isn't the one for the Goons, after all it's my EVE, not theirs (taking the Goons' viewpoint and remembering their gamestyle is in the minority)
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
668
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:They are MINING - in highsec. Ganking IS illegal, it's WHY it takes a sec loss AND a Concord response. The fact you CAN is a patheticly lame game mechanic. No, it's just what makes EVE EVE: it's a game mechanic that lets everyone do what they want, including things you don't want them to do. It's neither pathetic, nor lame GÇö it's required. Welcome to the sandbox. It's only lame because you don't want the kind of gameplay that it generates and possibly because you haven't quite thought through what it would mean if it were removed. So again, you might want to consider the possibility that this is not the game for youGǪ So HIGHsec (note emphasis on HIGH)
Has - Gateguns - Concord - Sec status hit - Wardecs - Aggression techniques such as can-flipping etc.
Why? For what purpose?
Ganking IS illegal. Period.
The fact that it CAN be done doesn't make it right. It's got nothing to do with "Eve" or "sandbox". If it did, NONE of the above, including the "HIGHsec" labelling would need to exist. The whole universe could just as well be 0.0 and be done with it.
There is a REASON why it's HIGHsec.
Your beliefs in this are no more than a "I'll bend over and take it" excuse because it's too hard to argue. Isn't it?
Gotta stay with the "cool camp" huh Tippia? You bad boy you. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
113
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:29:00 -
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Karadion wrote:You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.
no they want mining barges that can actually fit a proper tank......... being able to one shot an uninsurable 220mil fitted hulk, by a 40mil fitted bc that is insured is not fair by any means
all miners want is the ability to better tank their hulks and remove insurance for concord killed gankers.
gankers have it way too easy.
it has nothing to do with bots anymore cos most bot operators are renting russian space now. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
171
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:37:00 -
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I really pity the poor little miners.
Not only are they on the bottom of the food chain, ISK/hour wise, not only is their work incredibly boring and their ships paper thin but now they also have to give up their efficiency and relaxed way of life to be always prepared for a suicide attack out of nowhere and earn far less ISK in the meantime. Once proud owners of multibox mining fleets with Orca may as well unsubscribe. Casual highsec players who'd like to make an extra penny with semi-AFK mining may as well leave.
What has this world come to? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
996
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:39:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:Tippia,
It seems to me that lots of the Goon's rationale behind their current campaign is that they can't understand why people want to mine 'because its boring' etc...so the Goons' idea must be lame because the game allows gameplay that the Goons don't want.
So maybe the game isn't the one for the Goons, after all it's my EVE, not theirs (taking the Goons' viewpoint and remembering their gamestyle is in the minority) The rationale behind the current campaign is that they can make a crapton of money and have fun in the process.
But no, their thinking mining is boring does not mean the game isn't for them. If they thought that mining should not be allowed because they think it's boring, then you might be on to something, but that's not the case. They love that mining is allowed, because it allows them to have funGǪ with the miners.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
996
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:39:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:So HIGHsec (note emphasis on HIGH)
Has - Gateguns - Concord - Sec status hit - Wardecs - Aggression techniques such as can-flipping etc.
Why? For what purpose? To ensure that aggression comes at a cost. The GÇ£highGÇ¥ part simply comes from the (largely correct) assumption and hope that this cost will be enough to keep everyone from just attacking each other willy-nilly. People generally don't like uncompensated costs, so this creates an area where you can enjoy a higher level of security than elsewhere due to our general miserly nature. This is the reason it's high sec.
Quote:Ganking IS illegal. Period. It is also allowed. Period.
Quote:The fact that it CAN be done doesn't make it right. Quite. But the fact that it is right is the reason why it's allowed. It's just that it is GÇ£rightGÇ¥ for different reasons than you want to acknowledge.
Quote:It's got nothing to do with "Eve" or "sandbox". If it did, NONE of the above, including the "HIGHsec" labelling would need to exist. Highsec simply gives you a different size spade and a different shaped bucket, but this does not keep it from being a sandbox. The same activities are still allowed GÇö you just have different tools at your disposal. What you seem to be arguing for is the removal of those activities, which would be very counter-sandbox:y.
Quote:Your beliefs in this are no more than a "I'll bend over and take it" excuse because it's too hard to argue. Isn't it? No, but your constant ad hominems certainly are. You see, I don't need to bend over because I have studied and experienced the buckets and spades (and sand) enough to know how not to. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
85
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:40:00 -
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That was indeed the skinny, now let me put some meat on it for you:
1. Directional scanner is of limited use in most systems where range becomes a huge factor. Cutting scan range also cuts response time to a point where a mining vessel has no hope in hell of escaping unless its active aligned 100% of the time.
2. Gank boats are also very commonly used for missions, carebearing and noob-joyrides .. cheap and effective. It is impossible to tell from scanner if the ship approaching is pvp or pve so a silly thing to say.
3. Being aligned has no impact on escape chance unless it is an active alignment. Mining lasers are not exactly known for their super range and the ships take a fortnight to turn/reset after active alignment took them out of range .. extremely bad advise! Better to tell them that they should mine in a BS .. Rohk is pretty good I hear.
4. Watch for danger in high-sec where anyone can wield a gun and they are not actually considered criminals until after the fact?
*****WARNING: NEXT BIT NOT FOR REAL WORLD SOFTIES********** What you are essentially saying is that the victims of a shooting like the Columbine massacre are partially to blame because they had all the tools available to prevent it themselves (report odd one out to cops, use body-armour, keeping everyone at arms reach etc.). When the real culprits are laws that allow firearms in the general population and the atmosphere of "every man for himself/world is what you make it" ************************************************************
In short: Not your best work Hans
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:46:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mogwai wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Finding a dead end system helps also... In low sec.... seriously, mining in low sec with local / scanner open is safer than mining in 0.5 and above these days This is the whole point of why the Goons are doing what they are doing - its not simply for foolish pleasure, its also to motivate players to try new things. If they actually had a bit of adventurous spirit, they would find that yes, most of low/null is in fact MUCH safer than mining in highsec, all you need is your D-scan.
You have no clue, the goons are not doing it to force people to think of new ways to play, its an attack on the DRF. The drone regions all use gallente ice. It creates a natural imbalance to begin with since more regions take gallente than any other. The goons and their allies hope to retake the north and most of the drone regions after the winter expansion. They are banking on XIX and RED sitting out the invasion while Goons/Test/Former NC take out NC., RDN, IRC, WN, and SOLAR. It's a strategic attack, not just fun and games for the goons. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
996
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Posted - 2011.10.26 10:52:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:1. Directional scanner is of limited use in most systems where range becomes a huge factor. Cutting scan range also cuts response time to a point where a mining vessel has no hope in hell of escaping unless its active aligned 100% of the time. GǪand staying aligned (no GÇ£activeGÇ¥ GÇö it's a meaningless distinction) is good practice regardless. You can also filter the scanner quite well.
Quote:2. Gank boats are also very commonly used for missions, carebearing and noob-joyrides Joyrides, maybe. Missions and carebearing? Not so much. The most popular mission/carebear ships are rather useless as gank boats because they have the wrong kind of damage delivery.
Quote:3. Being aligned has no impact on escape chance unless it is an active alignment. Mining lasers are not exactly known for their super range and the ships take a fortnight to turn/reset after active alignment took them out of range Again, GÇ£activeGÇ¥ alignment does not exist. Either you're aligned, or you're not. There is no GÇ£activeGÇ¥ distinction. Moreover, as previously mentioned, you have a 30km window for a strip miner, and in the time it takes to travel that distance, you will have filled up your cargo hold, so it's time to dump that cargo somewhere anyway.
Quote:4. Watch for danger in high-sec where anyone can wield a gun and they are not actually considered criminals until after the fact? Criminals are habitual creatures and quite easy to keep track of if you go on an intel hunting spree.
As for your silly Columbine Highschool analogy, yes, it would have been the victims' fault if it were located, not in Columbine, but it Murdertown, Killsalot County, in the proud state of StabYouInTheFace, where the national sport was blowing up your neighbour's house (and where your neighbour would get very upset and no longer invite you for his traditional Christmas poisonfest if you didn't blow him up). The difference in culture between Columbine, CO and Murdertown, SYITF would generate rather drastic differences in how accountability and guilt is determined. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
15
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:03:00 -
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If the suggestions in this thread are taken to heart by miners...it will only mean that Goons will have to merely enter mining systems and browse around to achieve the same affect.
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People's Republic ofChina
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:12:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I've said this in a few threads now, but wanted to give it a headline so that everyone can read this carefully and maybe we'll see the end of the great Goon whinefest. (I'm not holding my breath though)
Here's the skinny -
All miners and missioners have an incredibly powerful defense tool - its called a directional scanner. Every ship has one, this is piloting 101 here, nothing complicated.
The directional scanner tells you who is nearby - if you're mining in highsec, there should not be Brutixes or Thrasher gangs nearby.
While mining, stay aligned, and hit your scanner often. When you see a PvP ship appear on short range scan, simply WARP OUT OF DANGER.
This technique is 100% foolproof - if you are ganked, it is because you were not watching for danger.
Everyone needs to start taking responsibility for their ship, and stop blaming this on the Goons. The Goons can only catch the people who complacently allow them to warp in and scram their ship.
I dont know why the miners dont understand this already. Its very straightforward. At least now, you've all been educated. There is officially no excuse to be ganked in highsec anymore.
What are you talking about? Of course there are supposed to be Brutixes and Thrasher gangs around mining belts, we keep the belts clean of... impurities.
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Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:14:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hecatonis wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
dont like losing a shred of isk per hour, the solution is still simple, and still the same - mine elsewhere.
The only thing a miner can do it swap out ships to something cheaper and smaller, and the only one who wins are the macro ratters and miners in nul sec. because it is the only place that can be policed properly and they will benefit from the high prices of minerals. The only other thing a miner can do is what I already said that you ignored - mine elsewhere.
I don't mine but I used to years ago.
Problem with finding quiet systems that you can mine (in High-sec) is usually the market prices are so low, why because there's not many people about so not much demand for what you mine. Which means you have to haul it somewhere else, not so bad for someone with multiple accounts, but pretty impractical for a solo account.
0.0 is not practical either for a solo account, I don't even think it's that practical for someone on their own with a few extra accounts.
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:16:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote: *****WARNING: NEXT BIT NOT FOR REAL WORLD SOFTIES********** What you are essentially saying is that the victims of a shooting like the Columbine massacre are partially to blame because they had all the tools available to prevent it themselves (report odd one out to cops, use body-armour, keeping everyone at arms reach etc.). When the real culprits are laws that allow firearms in the general population and the atmosphere of "every man for himself/world is what you make it" ************************************************************
Your inability to differentiate from the real world and a game is disturbing.
Yes people who suicide gank are sadistic and enjoy causing rage, tears, and other sorts of wonderful things however we are aware that a game is not real life. So while you might want to shoot that person in the face for constantly yammering about his irritating children, you pause because of the repercussions that would occur in life and the consequences your actions will take beyond some hurt feelings and angry tears. And it's so much fun!
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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:18:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hecatonis wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
dont like losing a shred of isk per hour, the solution is still simple, and still the same - mine elsewhere.
The only thing a miner can do it swap out ships to something cheaper and smaller, and the only one who wins are the macro ratters and miners in nul sec. because it is the only place that can be policed properly and they will benefit from the high prices of minerals. The only other thing a miner can do is what I already said that you ignored - mine elsewhere. I don't mine but I used to years ago. Problem with finding quiet systems that you can mine (in High-sec) is usually the market prices are so low, why because there's not many people about so not much demand for what you mine. Which means you have to haul it somewhere else, not so bad for someone with multiple accounts, but pretty impractical for a solo account. 0.0 is not practical either for a solo account, I don't even think it's that practical for someone on their own with a few extra accounts. I just think you're full of your own wind.
Mining is not practical. Mining is even less practical solo. Mining solo is not a feasible and financially sound option, stop it. Get a second account or make a friend.
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