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Luc Chastot
Daktaklakpak.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 07:25:00 -
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You have two options:
1. Outwit those pestering you.
2. Quit the game.
Judging by this thread, one of those suits you very well. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
pisula tisicpecto
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:14:00 -
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Ignore. If they touch you, they will loose their ship for sure. It must be economicaly beneficial for them too.
If you mine in t1 barge, your ship investement gets repaid after few hrs afk mining. Not paying them will get them think about return of their ship loss investement.
If you use t2 barge, those can acctually fit some buffer tank, thus they need much more expensive ship to be able to take you down until concord arrives. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
239
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:30:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:good call, there is two way to assess this situation. go cry on forum, then roll on the floor crying and swearing you will uninstall the game (remember, we all LOVE fresh tears....really). or find a way to adapt. one will get you more ingame than the other, i let you guess which is which
The tears do grow stale, it's always the same falvour, with ever the same cheese...
I want new tears... *cry*
Oh wait, fresh tears... There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
148
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:31:00 -
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Karma Codolle wrote:seth Hendar wrote:[quote=Whitehound]
also i suggest a bit of homework, inflation is NOT caused by this, inflation is caused by more and more money thrown in the hands of players.... we clearly don't need more isk incomes, this will just drive prices UP (check what happenened to the prices when incursion was released, then when FW was rebooted..... each time, big incomes => inflation spike all over the place) Ummm you might want to do a bit more homework. Costs are more based in supply and demand. ISK hasn't inflated too much in the past years. Sure theres been more options to make isk, but it hasn't inflated it. Mineral cost has gone up, dev's have made alterations to mineral requirements for certain ships increasing their price. and etc etc Certain professions have seen a rise in isk income, while other professions have seen a dive lol, we don't play the same game then, i'm talking about eve online here fyi |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
231
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:32:00 -
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pisula tisicpecto wrote:Ignore. If they touch you, they will loose their ship for sure. It must be economicaly beneficial for them too.
If you mine in t1 barge, your ship investement gets repaid after few hrs afk mining. Not paying them will get them think about return of their ship loss investement.
If you use t2 barge, those can acctually fit some buffer tank, thus they need much more expensive ship to be able to take you down until concord arrives. full tanked mackinaw can be easily killed with 2-3 catalysts in 0.5 system. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.23 09:16:00 -
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Karma Codolle wrote:... ISK hasn't inflated too much in the past years. ... A fool's argument. It inflates and it is all the proof one needs to show that it does not go back.
Do some homework and check with EVE ten years back. Tritanium was as low as 2 ISKs. I have not been playing back then, but even I have seen times where Tritanium was only 3 ISKs. Now we have just gotten to 6 ISKs only to drop back to 5 ISKs.
It then does not need proof if you just use your head: EVE is a PvP game and mining ships are not combat ships. Miners will always be dominated by others and as a result will new players always tend more towards combat than to mining. Nothing ever will turn EVE into a mining game and the prices for everything will keep increasing.
If it was inflating too much then EVE would die. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
KnightHawk cosmos
Radiant core construction Green Alien Growth
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:01:00 -
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Yep it's all good, I have figured out this James 315 and his Goons. All this is to them is they are trying to control real people in a virtual world, and even tho i mine for the corp. i am in and mining ice for our POS's fuel I will not bend to there wannabe will and control. As i said i am new to this game and have been doing a lot of reading the last couple days, was superised at how many posts there are about this new order and James 315.
And yes i have been taking advise from some of the posts here and no It won't make a difference in moving from where we are only because this new order is currently in almost all of the faction systems and they are spreading out even farther. So taking a stand and am just going to let them burn up ships, in the meen time i continue to mine ice for my corp and my self and when they bump me i just laugh at them. better to do that then let them get under my skin anymore then they have all ready.
Besides this Bing Bangboom seems to be a little chicken as it is, when he gets a wardec he waitis out the 24 hours and drops corp and reforms under a new one, so i have learned to watch for him and his goons and when they show up i know when to vacate for a bit |
Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
10
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:47:00 -
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KnightHawk cosmos wrote:So, from i understand because of the sandbox effect it is ok for some to harass miners in high sec Yes, but you don't have to let yourself be harassed. There's plenty of systems that have no harassers in them. The reason EVE has very few rules is because CCP don't want to get in the habit of banning paying customers without sufficient reason. If you feel someone breaks a rule, make a petition. |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:35:00 -
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Karma Codolle wrote:Costs are more based in supply and demand. ISK hasn't inflated too much in the past years. Sure theres been more options to make isk, but it hasn't inflated it. Mineral cost has gone up, dev's have made alterations to mineral requirements for certain ships increasing their price. and etc etc
It's interesting how you can state the truth and still get it wrong. Yes, costs are based on supply and demand. As the supply of isk goes up, which it does because PvE isk sinks are nowhere near the rate of PvE isk creation for many if not most people, the demand for isk for products, read that as price, goes up.
"Yeah, it's all about supply and demand. It has nothing to do with the supply of isk going up and the demand for it subsequently rising as well." |
Sigras
Conglomo
466
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:55:00 -
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now if only there were mining ships specifically designed to have a large tank in order to avoid this kind of harassment . . . oh wait . . . |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
461
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:16:00 -
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KnightHawk cosmos wrote:
I was understanding that Harassment was against the terms of use in this game and if this is true then why and how can these people get away with it? I just started playing EVE about 3 months ago and all ready this is making me what to quit. So now i see and understand why there are not so many people playing this game over the last 10 years.
You understand wrong. What your are describing is not harassment, but might fall under the category of grief play. However, CCP's position on grief play is as follows:
Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in the systems the Blood Stained Stars epic arc takes you through is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
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Getting bumped out of range or your mining lasers or possibly ganked has not and likely never will be considered grief play. Learn to adapt. |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:15:00 -
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Solution to miner harassment - Keep a Stealth Bomber close by and allow the High Sector Grief Bear to attack you. From there on out for the next thirty days you can hunt them putting absolute fear into them wherever they and....you go. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
323
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:12:00 -
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Give me your location and some ISK and I will come protect you from dastardly harassers. |
KnightHawk cosmos
Radiant core construction Green Alien Growth
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:20:00 -
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Well all good sound advise, The problem is yes it is Harassment by CCP's standards when said player's single you out and follow you around system to system and are constantly bumping, bumping, bumping.. I have yet to lose a ship to these ( I want to say bad nasty things here) players because most of the time i'm in my mack and they seem to go after retrievers mostly.
I will not be forced to pay any kind of extortion to mine anywhere in high sec, it is just wrong. This new order is just a bunch of lazy thugs going after new pilots only because they know they do not have the skills to protect them selves from them, and what other reason other than because they are easy targets for them to scam and earn isk. They use the excuse it is because of afk miners yet when they are there in any system and come in and bump and you respond in chat then it's posted so and so bumped out of field because no permit.
I did not see anywhere in the terms of use you had to have a permit to mine any astroid belt in any system. I give them an A+ for comming up with this scam, and going after the afk miner who pops into a belt sets lasers and drones and goes afk to watch a movie or some other crap, but leave the damn players who are actualy trying to mine and are there at the keyboard alone for god sake.
As for moving systems, have done that and have been followed to the point that i no longer mine when i know they are on and in the systems i mine in. Really bad when a pilot can't even run minning missions to get standing up because heshe are being followed and bumped from mission sites only to be told pay up and we will leave alone. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
210
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:34:00 -
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But bumping Freighters is still a breach I believe? Correct me if I am wrong but you aren't allowed to bump a Freighter in High Sec.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
328
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:41:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:But bumping Freighters is still a breach I believe? Correct me if I am wrong but you aren't allowed to bump a Freighter in High Sec. You are wrong |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
328
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:47:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Karma Codolle wrote:... ISK hasn't inflated too much in the past years. ... A fool's argument. It inflates and it is all the proof one needs to show that it does not go back. Do some homework and check with EVE ten years back. Tritanium was as low as 2 ISKs. I have not been playing back then, but even I have seen times where Tritanium was only 3 ISKs. Now we have just gotten to 6 ISKs only to drop back to 5 ISKs. It then does not need proof if you just use your head: EVE is a PvP game and mining ships are not combat ships. Miners will always be dominated by others and as a result will new players always tend more towards combat than to mining. Nothing ever will turn EVE into a mining game and the prices for everything will keep increasing. If it was inflating too much then EVE would die.
We can tell you never mined, or if you did you regarded your time as free. Trit used to have a hard ceiling on it due to npc sell orders of shuttles which could then be reprocessed. this allowed for buying of trit with isk for no time investment as well as forcing miners to sell below the cost to move any stock. CCP then removed this regarding an artificial cap as well as an infinite supply of Trit instantly as a very bad thing.
Trits next large hit that I know of was then the introduction of supers. Which created massive demand for trit.
Followed by the drone poo nerf which had a significant impact on all mineral prices.
So.... we have three supply & demand effects of major influence, your own figures show trit has dropped in price lately indicating that supply & demand has a large effect on it's price, yet you want to claim that supply & demand is a fools argument...... |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
51
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:21:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Solution to miner harassment - Keep a Stealth Bomber close by and allow the High Sector Grief Bear to attack you. From there on out for the next thirty days you can hunt them putting absolute fear into them wherever they and....you go.
I'm not worried about a stealth bomber in a destroyer. You'd be better of having a Griffin or some other ECM boat guarding you. Kill rights are meaningless to criminals, since we are freely attackable at all times.
BTW, I would have responded to your eve-mail but you have me blocked. I guess you're still butthurt over losing a Retriever a month ago? Yes, I did enjoy that kill you asked me about. I was a bit disappointed the pod wasn't worth much, but I used a noobship, so I still came out way ahead. When someone's pod is still in a belt 40 minutes after their ship was confiscated, they deserve to be podded on principle. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
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