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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:27:00 -
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+1. ECM is OP in small gangs. I like the direction CCP went in with the Cruiser buff, really helped small gangs. But ECM (Falcon/Took) need to be deleted or taken out or... SOMETHING! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1838
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:19:00 -
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Abyss Azizora wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:No you haven't and the fact you think you have means you suck at logic. It's besides the point though. The main problem with ECM is the mechanic itself. It is a bad mechanic to have no matter how good or bad it is in the current game balance. If you fix it to something less random and less frustrating to the victim, it can still be a powerful e-war mechanic. Who cares about the victim in pvp? The victim does obviously. But yeah, ECM never should have been in the game in the first place, every other module in the game can be countered by either another module or with player skill, ECM has no such counter. (And don't say ECCM, even with two fit you can still be 100% disabled against a dedicated ecm ship.) It's annoying to get tracking disrupted or sensor damped, it's "THE END" if you get ECM'd permanently. Either way, it's pointless to argue against ECM, CCP doesn't give a rats ass about it. Never has, never will. Just be glad falcons arn't on the same level as god anymore.
Sensor damps + a kiting doctrine means you lose period. Regular jams can miss. There's a reason many gangs are swapping out falcons and the like for Celestis. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
1009
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:46:00 -
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posting in the monthly "nerf ECM/falcon/rook/blackbird/griffin" thread! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1634
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:09:00 -
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Have you been watching the Alliance tournament? You see what EWAR is being most commonly used? Give you a hint, it's not ECM. Damps... Damps are currently the most effective EWAR you can bring in a small gang, if you know how to use it that is. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:57:00 -
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What would the ECM complaint look like if EVE was not a space game, but ...
... Rock-Paper-Scissors: "Nerf paper!"
... Chess: "Nerf check!"
... Poker: "Nerf flush!"
... Tic-Tac-Toe: "Nerf O!"
... Dice: "Nerf 6!"
... Black Jack: "Nerf 5!"
... Russian Roulette: "Nerf bullet!"
... Truth-Or-Dare: "Nerf truth!"
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
GreenSeed
602
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Posted - 2013.07.27 23:13:00 -
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best way to fix ECM is to make ECCM lower the duration of the jam instead of just giving a strong bonus to sensor strength. |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
70
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Posted - 2013.07.27 23:19:00 -
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crosspost from
the major problem in EWAR is that it doesn't scale like weapons, drones, armor and shield reps or shield extenders and armor plates everything scales but EWAR.
so a frigate can do effective way more to a BS with EWAR then its guns as a BS will laugh at the DPS of most frigate`s
the lack of scalability makes it OP in some cases and totaly USELESS in some other cases. for example in a large fight EWAR is useless and in small fights it can be OP very easily.
my 2 cnt
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maCH'EttE
Mafia Redux Phobia.
51
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Posted - 2013.07.27 23:34:00 -
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ECM is OP as fduck!!!! |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
737
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:00:00 -
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My main reasons for disliking ECM.
1. It is too random. 2. Causes people to lose ships without giving a fight. 3. Ruins small gang / solo PvP.
All of these translate into one thing: not fun. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
128
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Posted - 2013.07.28 13:50:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:What would the ECM complaint look like if EVE was not a space game, but ...
... Rock-Paper-Scissors: "Nerf paper!"
... Chess: "Nerf check!"
... Poker: "Nerf flush!"
... Tic-Tac-Toe: "Nerf O!"
... Dice: "Nerf 6!"
... Black Jack: "Nerf 5!"
... Russian Roulette: "Nerf bullet!"
... Truth-Or-Dare: "Nerf truth!"
scissors says rock is OP but paper is well balanced. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2013.07.28 15:27:00 -
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Fly an insta-nado, see how many falcons bother you, given their cloak-delay is longer than your lock time.
Or you could just whine.... |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
633
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Posted - 2013.07.29 14:36:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:My main reasons for disliking ECM.
1. It is too random. 2. Causes people to lose ships without giving a fight. 3. Ruins small gang / solo PvP.
All of these translate into one thing: not fun.
This, well summed up. I was looking for the right words, "not fun" covers them nicely. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.07.29 14:51:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Diesel47 wrote:My main reasons for disliking ECM.
1. It is too random. 2. Causes people to lose ships without giving a fight. 3. Ruins small gang / solo PvP.
All of these translate into one thing: not fun. This, well summed up. I was looking for the right words, "not fun" covers them nicely. I "LOVE" to jam others.... I "HATE" when others jam me...
That covers a lot too...
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
682
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:29:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:My main reasons for disliking ECM.
1. It is too random. 2. Causes people to lose ships without giving a fight. 3. Ruins small gang / solo PvP.
All of these translate into one thing: not fun.
1. I guess you're against faction spawns and stuff too, huh? Those are pretty random. And, you know, so is which mission you get when you talk to an agent. And so is exploration site loot, or even the spawns themselves.
Hell, I guess you just don't like EVE.
2. Lots of things cause people to lose ships without giving a fight. Sebo-nados, as someone mentioned above, do the same thing. Sensor damps are just as bad about stopping someone from fighting. Here's something you should think about. Shutting down an opponent is smart, it's good gameplay on the part of the person doing it.
3. If I listen to what people say ruins small gang pvp, then we should ban or rework pretty much half the game. You got outplayed. Deal with it, and don't engage stupid fights. Yes, a Falcon uncloaking in a fight sucks. Too bad, get some friends next time. Escalation of numbers is countered by either avoiding the fight on their terms, or increasing your own numbers. That's how it works. If you want solo pvp, go spam duels in Jita. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
147
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:37:00 -
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It seems like CCP could make a lot of money if they put a "I hate Falcon" or "Cuz of Falcon!" Shirt into their store |
Seven Koskanaiken
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
309
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:46:00 -
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Quote:3. Ruins small gang / solo PvP.
This raises the question, why do small gangs and soloers keep using ECM then...it's evidently a fun fight for them. Maybe the words you are looking for are...not fair. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
674
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:46:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Fly an insta-nado, see how many falcons bother you, given their cloak-delay is longer than your lock time.
Or you could just whine....
Or they could just bring an uncloaked Falcon onto the field after the fight is engaged. They don't always just decloak from nowhere. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
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