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HHschmid
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:02:00 -
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i always respected evolution/bob for how they changed the face of eve and and for sure the biggest nemesis we ever had in eve.
I play eve since the begining i even was in beta so i know many of the evol/bob guys for long time. for example the guys of evolution since begining of the fountain alliance. CE did indeed learned many from the guys of evolution and i think without evolution G wouldnt exist atleast not in the way they do now.
So its sad to see how evol/BoB evolved as i always respected them and i wasnt the only one who did, but the things which happened in the last weaks are just pitiful and under the level of BOB normaly acts.
First you guys buy/get and account/char from a ex member of iron and use it to steal a pos i mean do bob realy need to use those tactics to get what they need
second atacking irons outpost to get a fight out of G/iron while they are in south is legitim but the way you act on the boards to get it make me thought i watch some angry child
the last one is how a ex member changed his iron killboard to this, i mean he did changed the original and added why he did this and perhaps he was ****ed of iron but the stuff which is under the explanation is just low. he did not only hurt those he want, he also hurt those guys who didnt had anything to do with this at all
but perhaps its just normal if you join bob to despise your ex friends on a personal note i think its low to charge isk for running a killboard someone who like his alliance and even see them as his friends dont need to charge isk for it and if you are so low on isk you should just ask somone who could do a new kb and start making isk in game, i think "site closed" with a explanation would be enough but using it for despise the iron guys while still as official iron kb marked is not what i would expect from bob or some ex iron guy sorry bob guys but the way you play the game is just sad and i personaly lost all respect i had for you, perhaps you didnt care perhaps you start to flame this thread i dont know.
its the first time i write something at this boards ever as i allways just saw crap from all sites but the way how bob acts atm just made me sad, perhaps some of you guys think the same like me and i personaly like it to have respect for my enemy and i hope we can stop this crap in those boards and start playing the game without Boardwars.
this is just my own opinion and shouldnt be take as a official G anouncement and if you have a something to say then do it with your main ! sorry for the bad english
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patch
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:09:00 -
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ill tell you whats sad/lame mate, its crying a river on these boards. You got something to say take it in game......
Originally by: "bUBbLeS" they dont have rollercoatsers in france
he was trying to figure out how to turn it over and set it on fire
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myggan
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:14:00 -
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Off topic Removed
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oidalia
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: patch ill tell you whats sad/lame mate, its crying a river on these boards. You got something to say take it in game......
i might remember u that there was once a G guy who talked to BoB ingame and some days later he could read his chat on this board here. So not only does BoB always take things to this board but even if u do it urself ingame it doesnt mean it will stay ingame.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:18:00 -
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Post on topic without flaming or don't post.
Be respectful. ---
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Latex Mistress on 17/12/2005 16:19:14 Look Ma - My first double post!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:20:00 -
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Is a shame that this is your first post, schmid, as you at least try to reason what you have posted. However, I happen to disagree that running an out-of-game service, that takes up your gaming time and thus the ability to make money, should be given charitably and, even if that was the case, I find it even more disagreeable that someone would expect another to sacrifice their leisure time for the benefits of others.
The reasons given for the closure and amendment of the iron killboard I shall leave to the owner of that domain to sort out, needless to say that BoB stand behind him 100%.
What you seem to misunderstand, however, is our motives for doing things. We play this game to have fun, alot of our fun comes from laughter - particularly at the utterly stupid things that many of our foes do or say - it is no surprise that people don't "like" that, for there are very few people who can handle being laughed at as much as we tend to laugh at others, particularly when they take this game far too seriously.
It is very rare to find people joining BoB, however, we're not an easy group to like or get on with - we do that on purpose, we're not here to please people, we're here to please ourselves. Unfortunately, in teh Realpolitik world of eve:online this inevitably causes grief and inconvenience to other players. This is not something any of us would wish on anyone in the real world, but it is something that we detach ourselves from in Eve - for our own enjoyment and our own effectiveness as a unit.
There are many different kinds of people in the corps of BoB, to a man we WILL always keep our word - those that do not, whilst they fly under our banner, find themselves corp, alliance and cloneless very quickly - and none of us wish any ill will to any other player in Eve - on the contrary, we hope you succeed, it gives us nice, new, shiny things to shoot at
[G] will always have my upmost respect for the way you conduct your game, you've got a leadership core that mirror my own values in eve - we just execute them differently. Maybe one day people will understand that, until then well, with respect, we actually don't care.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Bass
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:22:00 -
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I don't know Kraph Kreyghal at all, or have anything to do with it. But from an outsiders point of view, the fact that this guy has been running your killboard for almost 3 months when he wasn't even in IRON (His char has been in BNC for 3 months), shows he was a good guy. Many people wouldn't have bothered for a week, let alone 3 months. The fact that he took it down after this time shows just how much you guys must've annoyed him.
The outpost thing was your own fault, you decided to leave it there unguarded. That being said, the boards were kinda spammed by BoB members for a few days which got a bit annoying for the rest of us ;).
The "500k zyd" incident was probably the worst thing BoB did. Not so much if you guys just had a spy that gave them access (Who could really blame them if thats the case). But if they did pay r/l cash for an IRON character, that is wayyy below the belt imho. However, in all honesty, you guys should pick more trustworthy people to have access to such expensive assets.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:23:00 -
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next opinion of bob please....
Originally by: Kerosene PVP is 50% setup, 20% skills, 20% balls and 10% forum horsing.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:23:00 -
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Bottom line, it's "his" server space, that one person, his killboard - he coded it after all and provided the bandwidth . . . so therefore, his rules on it.
And the webspace . . . well, that's "his" as well. While the explanation he gave wasn't needed per se, it does explain to people why he did what he did - and its one side of the story, perhaps someone from IRON may comment on how valid his points were in regards to it?
You'd be better speaking with him personally with your concerns as it's one persons action, not a whole BoB action after all.
As for the POS steal, its not exactly an uncommon tactic now and there are ways to prevent it from happening though the can be rather draconian. Attacking your space while you are away to provoke a reaction - as it apparently has, is a tactically sound idea.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: HHschmid First you guys buy/get and account/char from a ex member of iron and use it to steal a pos i mean do bob realy need to use those tactics to get what they need
It's not the first time some use out of game mechanics to gain ingame benefits, unfortunately, but who cares, really? Chivalry is long dead, isn't it?
But, anyways, problems arise (and respect is lost) when some can't draw a line between real life and gaming.
Those who have something to prove in a game scare me. They really do. __________________________________________
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Bass
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:27:00 -
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Uhh. Just looked at the bob killboard as it was linked from the old IRON one... they just killed 2 Dreads in a day? roflmao
Grats, nice start to RMR
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bass Uhh. Just looked at the bob killboard as it was linked from the old IRON one... they just killed 2 Dreads in a day? roflmao
Grats, nice start to RMR
It is indeed
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 17/12/2005 16:41:45 Edited by: Dao 2 on 17/12/2005 16:41:04
Originally by: HHschmid
First you guys buy/get and account/char from a ex member of iron and use it to steal a pos i mean do bob realy need to use those tactics to get what they need
if this is true its against the eula, though not BoB's fault, its the sellers. Nonetheless u still deserve the stuff what was needed back first (and bob shoulda known not to buy the char that wasnt in an npc corp)
edit: though it really is the sellers fault :| 2nd edit: even if the it a eula-endorsed isk transaction
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pehova Mindtriq on 17/12/2005 16:42:22
Originally by: Bass
The "500k zyd" incident was probably the worst thing BoB did. Not so much if you guys just had a spy that gave them access (Who could really blame them if thats the case). But if they did pay r/l cash for an IRON character, that is wayyy below the belt imho. However, in all honesty, you guys should pick more trustworthy people to have access to such expensive assets.
Anyone that can confirm if this is true?
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:44:00 -
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I can understand your frustrations and I can see why you might lose respect for our alliance. What you have to remember though is that we play this game to win. We fight on many fronts using many different tactics to get the desired result. That will include espionage, full scale combat, propaganda and host of other ways to defeat the enemy.
If you want to play in the same park you need to get tough and get on with it, as we're not going to change our style of play. We know full well our style is hard and pushes the boundaries, but that's what gives us an edge.
So to be honest we don't really care if you've lost respect for us, we're just doing our thing and will continue to do it.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:45:00 -
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Well I have to agree with the OP on one point. Kraph should not have been asking for ISK to keep the killboard running. He should've been asking for real-life cash. Webspace and server rental doesn't get paid in ISK.
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Edited by: Pehova Mindtriq on 17/12/2005 16:42:22
Originally by: Bass
The "500k zyd" incident was probably the worst thing BoB did. Not so much if you guys just had a spy that gave them access (Who could really blame them if thats the case). But if they did pay r/l cash for an IRON character, that is wayyy below the belt imho. However, in all honesty, you guys should pick more trustworthy people to have access to such expensive assets.
Anyone that can confirm if this is true?
No he paid isk for the account and he bought it before it was in IRON.
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Miramax
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Edited by: Pehova Mindtriq on 17/12/2005 16:42:22
Originally by: Bass
The "500k zyd" incident was probably the worst thing BoB did. Not so much if you guys just had a spy that gave them access (Who could really blame them if thats the case). But if they did pay r/l cash for an IRON character, that is wayyy below the belt imho. However, in all honesty, you guys should pick more trustworthy people to have access to such expensive assets.
Anyone that can confirm if this is true?
i am wondering aswell
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Cerridwehn Odessa
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: patch ill tell you whats sad/lame mate, its crying a river on these boards. You got something to say take it in game......
Why is it when someone posts a message from BoB/G/IRON, it's generaly only BoB that comes and replies? I rarely see any IRON/G members posting.. what a suprise.. but you guys.. wow.. ***** open ms word and get back pre-formating those forum posts!
Dont make those sorts of *****s when your alliance is well known for "psychological" warefare on the boards.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:52:00 -
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I for one still Respect [G], I am sorry you dont feel the same HHschmid. I think Dianabolics post says the same things that I think about the issue.
Second, what in gods green earth would make you think that BoB is paying R/L cash for chars to take down a POS. Do you really think we are that stupid? We play within the game rules.. some may not like our tactics but they are legal.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Well I have to agree with the OP on one point. Kraph should not have been asking for ISK to keep the killboard running. He should've been asking for real-life cash. Webspace and server rental doesn't get paid in ISK.
cuz i think kieron or some one made a statement that they dont like ppl selling ingame serivecs for mony, but isk was fine
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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patch
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:53:00 -
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hello mr alt, maybe you should read closer and you will see plenty of iron posts all over.
Originally by: "bUBbLeS" they dont have rollercoatsers in france
he was trying to figure out how to turn it over and set it on fire
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Bella Fea
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bass
The "500k zyd" incident was probably the worst thing BoB did. Not so much if you guys just had a spy that gave them access (Who could really blame them if thats the case). But if they did pay r/l cash for an IRON character, that is wayyy below the belt imho. However, in all honesty, you guys should pick more trustworthy people to have access to such expensive assets.
As the perpetrator of said incident, i do not appreciate libelous statements with no regard to facts.
Fact 1: I purchased the character in question(Vandervecken) in accords to the eula, from the sell orders forum, for isk not RL cash. Fact 2: Said character was in a noob corp at the time of purchase, again in accords with the eula. Fact 3: I purchased this character with my main(me,Bella Fea) and then proceded to dig him into first TINK, then P-SYS, then the merged corp Synergy, where he made his final move in a 3 month plot to do exactly what i did with him.
So before you go slinging mud, get your facts straight.
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Zenst
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: HHschmid <SNIP> the last one is how a ex member changed his iron killboard to this, <SNIP>
Nice killmail link. Do you have a new site yourselves yet?
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Galavet
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bella Fea
As the perpetrator of said incident, i do not appreciate libelous statements with no regard to facts.
Fact 1: I purchased the character in question(Vandervecken) in accords to the eula, from the sell orders forum, for isk not RL cash. Fact 2: Said character was in a noob corp at the time of purchase, again in accords with the eula. Fact 3: I purchased this character with my main(me,Bella Fea) and then proceded to dig him into first TINK, then P-SYS, then the merged corp Synergy, where he made his final move in a 3 month plot to do exactly what i did with him.
So before you go slinging mud, get your facts straight.
These people are not interested in Facts Bella, only slander, its the only defense they have.
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:59:00 -
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Ive got the alot of respect for Kraph, he put alot of work and effort into the killboard. Yes it was voluteer work but there is nothing that says you cant be generous and offer to help him out for all his work. I mean the guy updated the killboard only minutes after RMR patch was deployed so you lot could post your killmails. He showed dedication and all he asked was some compensation for his hard work. He got nothing, and yah no what thats exactly what i remember from my Iron times. People were far from willing to help out the people that are pumping rl money into out of game stuff like webspace and teamspeaks etc. If you read his explaination youll see Iron could have handled it alot better, he was hurt. He was getting verbally attacked by and Iron member and had enough of the freeloading from Iron and put a stop to the killboard.
Reason why Kraph "despised" his ex Iron buddies hell have to answer himself. But for me i started to despise them when the smack convo's and mails about how i was a traitor for leaving Iron for BoB. Alot of people i considered m8s turned on me and i saw who my m8s really were and im guessing thats whats going on with Kraph.
I¦ll always respect G but Iron lost my respect a long time ago and im sure they couldnt care less.
<3 Bratzy
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bella Fea
As the perpetrator of said incident, i do not appreciate libelous statements with no regard to facts.
Fact 1: I purchased the character in question(Vandervecken) in accords to the eula, from the sell orders forum, for isk not RL cash. Fact 2: Said character was in a noob corp at the time of purchase, again in accords with the eula. Fact 3: I purchased this character with my main(me,Bella Fea) and then proceded to dig him into first TINK, then P-SYS, then the merged corp Synergy, where he made his final move in a 3 month plot to do exactly what i did with him.
So before you go slinging mud, get your facts straight.
This seriously affirms my belief that certain members of BoB are selfish and have no regard for other players. __ No corp - Taking it easy for a bit |
Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:05:00 -
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Why should we ? We play it OUR way, don't like it, take it ingame and do something. -
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dracorimus Why should we ? We play it OUR way, don't like it, take it ingame and do something.
yaaa, and diana, nice post
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