Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Dr Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 18:16:00 -
[1] - Quote
Hi everyone,
I am new to EVE and have been learning a lot about the shield weapon and tanking types based on the documents found on the EVE University Wiki. One thing I am noticing is that blasters are the shortest range weapon of the game, yet are on some of the slowest ships in the game (armor-tanked Gallente ships). Are these things actually effective at all, or totally useless? Does anyone use them? I've been using railguns primarily and doing great in missions, but I can't imagine chasing everything down to 2KM just to hit them, especially not with an armor-tanked ship. I feel it would have made more sense to give them to the Minmatar or something - and I understand Caldari can use them, along with missiles, so I don't get the point of using Gallente ever really.
Thoughts? |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
128
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 18:26:00 -
[2] - Quote
every ship and every mod has a situation were it shines. experiment and do things yourself instead of theory crafting. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Dr Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 18:30:00 -
[3] - Quote
Well, it seems fairly obvious to me that a Gallente boat using railguns is going to help you finish a security mission a lot faster than one using blasters |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
678
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 18:53:00 -
[4] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:Well, it seems fairly obvious to me that a Gallente boat using railguns is going to help you finish a security mission a lot faster than one using blasters
Possibly. Depends on which ones you are doing.
I take it you're new?
Yes, Railguns are better for PvE. A good rule of thumb is that for PvE, range is king.
Also, which ship are you talking about? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
68
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 18:54:00 -
[5] - Quote
When u have 30 ships to kill in pve 2km sucks. When ur pvp against a couple ships 2km sucks but less. Also dont discount falloff + optimal so its not strictly 2km |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
25785
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 19:03:00 -
[6] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote: - and I understand Caldari can use them, along with missiles, so I don't get the point of using Gallente ever really.
Thoughts?
Exactly. Just go Caldari and take the Missile Road, and a lot of confusing nonsense is instantly eliminated. Believe me. |
SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
84
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 19:05:00 -
[7] - Quote
blasters are good for PVP basically |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 19:06:00 -
[8] - Quote
But the Talos *is* a shield tanker. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services Russian International Allegiance
189
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 22:29:00 -
[9] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:Hi everyone,
I am new to EVE and have been learning a lot about the shield weapon and tanking types based on the documents found on the EVE University Wiki. One thing I am noticing is that blasters are the shortest range weapon of the game, yet are on some of the slowest ships in the game (armor-tanked Gallente ships). Are these things actually effective at all, or totally useless? Does anyone use them? I've been using railguns primarily and doing great in missions, but I can't imagine chasing everything down to 2KM just to hit them, especially not with an armor-tanked ship. I feel it would have made more sense to give them to the Minmatar or something - and I understand Caldari can use them, along with missiles, so I don't get the point of using Gallente ever really.
Thoughts?
Hi,
some Gallente ships have bonuses to stasis webifiers to help catching up with your targets, that's how you get into effective range with your blaster boats.
Gallente ships can also be shield tanked, to free up low-slots for modules helping with speed or turret range/damage/tracking ...
Why didn't Minmatar get blasters assigned ? Well Minmatar are not too good at shield or armor tanking compared to the 3 other races. So Minmatar have to use their speed to avoid getting hit rather then just close to 0 shoot point blank at their targets. That's why Minnies got projectile turrets and frequently fight in fall-off range rather than at optimal.
Gallente do get a secondary weapon which helps a lot with killing stuff at range: drones and sentry drones. Now drones are a bit harder to use then missiles (in missions and to some degree in pvp) ... but unlike any other weapon, drones keep attacking targets while you're jammed by ecm or sensor dampened to ungodly low ranges.
I hope this helps.
Join the in-game channel 'The Greater Fool Bar' now.
|
Seven Koskanaiken
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
308
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 22:38:00 -
[10] - Quote
Gallentes were supposed to be hull tankers, but someone must have come to their senses and made them another armor race after giving them the blaster I dunno/ |
|
Whitehound
1701
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 23:45:00 -
[11] - Quote
You must be looking at the wrong ships. Once you exclude the drone boats will you see that Gallente have about the second fastest ships after Minmatar when compared class for class.
You can armor tank them, but only armor buffer tanks slows a ship down. Active armor tanks do not.
Even when armor buffered and slow do blaster boats still work, because some players just do not care and run into them often enough and then die to them. In gangs is the speed problem left to tacklers and blaster boats even when slow then bring in a lot of DPS. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
473
|
Posted - 2013.07.28 23:45:00 -
[12] - Quote
Weapons that are range sensitive depend on a fit that can dictate range. So yes, slow moving fits + blasters = fail, regardless of what type of tank you mount.
On the other hand, rails are just as inert against targets that get too close as blasters are against targets that stay too far away. The only advantage is that if the target is stupid and makes a beeline for you from a long distance, you might kill it with rails before it gets too close to get under your guns. The blaster boat never has a chance if a faster target starts out of range and stays there.
Unless you have range independent weapons (i.e., missiles), the actual applied damage of any fit is going to directly scale with your ability to dictate range on your targets. Your ability to dictate range in any fit depends mainly on whether you can fit the right modules and run them enough to keep at the range you need to be, for how long your need to be there. There are gun boats that can be fit this way for every race, though some hulls make it a lot easier than others. Fit accordingly. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
326
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 01:48:00 -
[13] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:You must be looking at the wrong ships. Once you exclude the drone boats will you see that Gallente have about the second fastest ships after Minmatar when compared class for class.
You can armor tank them, but only armor buffer tanks slows a ship down. Active armor tanks do not.
Even when armor buffered and slow do blaster boats still work, because some players just do not care and run into them often enough and then die to them. In gangs is the speed problem left to tacklers and blaster boats even when slow then bring in a lot of DPS. Not strictly true btw. Active armour tanking still has the rig issues. So can be slowed depending on the rig fittings, as sometimes you want to close a resist hole with a rig. |
Whitehound
1705
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 02:19:00 -
[14] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Whitehound wrote:You must be looking at the wrong ships. Once you exclude the drone boats will you see that Gallente have about the second fastest ships after Minmatar when compared class for class.
You can armor tank them, but only armor buffer tanks slows a ship down. Active armor tanks do not.
Even when armor buffered and slow do blaster boats still work, because some players just do not care and run into them often enough and then die to them. In gangs is the speed problem left to tacklers and blaster boats even when slow then bring in a lot of DPS. Not strictly true btw. Active armour tanking still has the rig issues. So can be slowed depending on the rig fittings, as sometimes you want to close a resist hole with a rig. If you fit armor resistance rigs or trimarks on an active armor tank then it is your own fault. You close the resistance hole by other means. Either with an active hardener, or an energized plating against explosive, or an EANM II with Reactive Armor Hardener, or whatever you think is best. You then use Nanobot Accelerator and/or Auxiliary Nano Pump rigs instead, because these boost the active armor tank and do not have a speed draw back. You did not think of this, did you? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1563
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 02:57:00 -
[15] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:Hi everyone,
I am new to EVE and have been learning a lot about the shield weapon and tanking types based on the documents found on the EVE University Wiki. One thing I am noticing is that blasters are the shortest range weapon of the game, yet are on some of the slowest ships in the game (armor-tanked Gallente ships). Are these things actually effective at all, or totally useless? Does anyone use them? I've been using railguns primarily and doing great in missions, but I can't imagine chasing everything down to 2KM just to hit them, especially not with an armor-tanked ship. I feel it would have made more sense to give them to the Minmatar or something - and I understand Caldari can use them, along with missiles, so I don't get the point of using Gallente ever really.
Thoughts?
There is nothing excluding you from shield tanking a Gallente ship. I have a shield tank Atron fit that works wonders, and shield tank Talos is quite dangerous. Prop mods and webs will go a long way to helping you close range as well. I've been flying Gallente since I started playing this game, and there is most definitely a point. But just like with any ship in this sandbox, the onus is on you to find it for yourself. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
125
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 10:22:00 -
[16] - Quote
Note that a prolonged race to establish tackle rarely occurs in PvP outside bubbles which have a very limited diameter.
Anyone looking to evade you just will warp off in the time it takes you to burn to them, this hardly ever happens over a distance of more than 30k max.
An armor tanked blaster hull will have its mid slots free to hold its prey in place once it has it tackled, which eliminates the need to Benny Hill after it.
|
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
78
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 10:42:00 -
[17] - Quote
Gorn Arming wrote:But the Talos *is* a shield tanker.
tecnicly speeking the Tier 3 BCs are not tanks at all...
they are glass cannons. the shield talos is a prime example of this. if caught it dies in seconds but it is always good to fit up an armour talos and let someone catch you. they hit armour and a brick wall. and 9/10 they get in close for the scram. puts them in double web and nutron range. needless to say once there its game over man
:) |
Mellisa Jade
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 18:44:00 -
[18] - Quote
Blaster Ferox is a nice ship indeed. 'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5430
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 19:06:00 -
[19] - Quote
Blaster Naga.
Its the kind of ship you love to hate until its inside ya... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
402
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 19:18:00 -
[20] - Quote
shield blaster: naga, harpy, enyo, brutix + others are all awesome PVP ships |
|
Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
26
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 19:21:00 -
[21] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Whitehound wrote:You must be looking at the wrong ships. Once you exclude the drone boats will you see that Gallente have about the second fastest ships after Minmatar when compared class for class.
You can armor tank them, but only armor buffer tanks slows a ship down. Active armor tanks do not.
Even when armor buffered and slow do blaster boats still work, because some players just do not care and run into them often enough and then die to them. In gangs is the speed problem left to tacklers and blaster boats even when slow then bring in a lot of DPS. Not strictly true btw. Active armour tanking still has the rig issues. So can be slowed depending on the rig fittings, as sometimes you want to close a resist hole with a rig.
No, you want to increase armor rep amount. Those rigs affect Repper PG reqs, not speed thank goodness. |
Lord Charles Gatsby
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 19:49:00 -
[22] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:shield blaster: naga, harpy, enyo, brutix + others are all awesome PVP ships
Sheild Brutix......dont be horribad. Get a Ferox. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1688
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 20:01:00 -
[23] - Quote
It's true. The only weapon platforms that make sense at the moment are shield/projectile (e.g. sleipnir) or laser/armor (e.g. most amarr), owing to the way that cap usage in weapon and tank compliment each other.
This obviously doesn't mean they're good, just complementary. The best actual weapon/tank systems for capacitor are armor/projectile and armor/missile due to not using capacitor for bloody anything.
But yes, it would make more sense if blasters belonged to a shield race for the speed. However, they don't, so YAR HAR HAR CALDARI YOU CAN'T HAVE 'EM BACK Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1688
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 20:02:00 -
[24] - Quote
Lord Charles Gatsby wrote:Chandaris wrote:shield blaster: naga, harpy, enyo, brutix + others are all awesome PVP ships Sheild Brutix......dont be horribad. Get a Ferox.
Shield brutix can be good. Can. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |