Vagabond goes way faster than any other HAC in the game and can perfectly control/mitigate incoming dmg

I dont understand how any of that is relevant.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

If a ship is going to be 150mil and also terrible, then it just a waste. Look at the eagle. It is "content" but if it removed from the game nothing would change.

Vagabond, meet Talos.

Say good bye to Vagabond, say hello to capsule.

In a fleet, the Sac right now can get over 60k EHP while sporting two BCUs, which is quite nice. While very thankful for the bonus change from cap to something useful, I was sort of hoping for a bit of a dps increase to avoid being completely out-stripped by the Cerberus; it already comes in second place to the Cerberus, which is getting a dps buff. However, increased range is also nice.

On the other hand, I'm very happy with the Cerberus changes :)

And you will never will because you're unable to take your blinders off. Playing with words will not solve your real issue with new Vagabond nor will EFT, play with it a bit and ask guys knowing flying them to help you fit it and fly it properly.

The dumbest things I have seen so far is you. Ships should never be balanced on how much they cost ever because no matter how much that cost is we can afford it.



The vaga will still be the bane of all frigates and one of the best solo small gang cruisers around. Its losing nothing and ganing a somewhat handy new tool and a slight buff to boot.

Please go and look at how many kills I have with Med-AC ships including the Vaga.

Then go look at how many you do.

I think I might have played with them a little bit.

Then go look at how many you do.

I think when the Cynabal is nerfed, the Vagabond will again be an OK ship.

However, the Muninn will remain utter crap, until CCP redesign it as a brawler instead of a sniper (a role that the Tornado outclasses the Muninn in every way.)

Tracking and gun signature bro. HUGE difference between the two.

Hi all

Wanted to post and let you know I haven't disappeared or something, just had to go home and sleep and stuff.

I've been reading all of this and will continue to do so. I would not expect any changes at the scale of this last iteration, maybe some small tweaks after a few more days of feedback at the most.

We are a little concerned that some overpowered configurations might be popular following these changes, but I know many of you are still worried they aren't powerful enough. I'll keep reading for now and if we decide to make any changes you will be the first to know.

Thanks!

However, the Muninn will remain utter crap, until CCP redesign it as a brawler instead of a sniper (a role that the Tornado outclasses the Muninn in every way.)

Resorting to insults when somebody disagrees with what you say.

You are so wrong its actually quite funny, do you even play this game called eve online?

Please rise the diemos wants to be a mini mega.... Make it so.

Base DPS is ~500+ using 220's w. faction ammo (duh!) and twin Gyros.

And the main issue here is Tornado class it self not Munnin after changes despite my own personal thought on this ship requiring a bit more of attention.

Munnin can already brawl fit and deliver stupid amounts of dps but it's slow, arty fit it will be like all other HACs:

Rails Deimos vs Rails Talos? no match, Talos wins

Beam Zealot vs Beam/Tack Oracle? no match Oracle wins unless the oracle pilot is really awful at fittings

Rails Eagle vs Rails Naga? no match Naga wins, hell I'm sure naga can hit the Eagle with blasters at ranges the Eagle has to use Rails

The main issue now is more about attack BC's performing with Battleship dps cruiser speed/agility and and small signature but have paper tanks, so it's not about pop at the gate and start shooting primaries hitting you from far distances you can hit but force them to fight you at ranges YOU can get the crap out of them.

Tracking and gun signature bro. HUGE difference between the two.

If you don't want insulting then don't insult people.



It seems I play more than you. It also seems you arnt grasping what is going on here.

CCP are not going to be producing an overpowered monstrosity. Its going to be balanced with t1, the cynable will getting a nerf and t3s are rather heavy one. When all is said an done its going to be a ship with uses.

Ho yeah, me too !!

Rails Deimos vs Rails Talos? no match, Talos wins

Rails Eagle vs Rails Naga? no match Naga wins, hell I'm sure naga can hit the Eagle with blasters at ranges the Eagle has to use Rails

The main issue now is more about attack BC's performing with Battleship dps cruiser speed/agility and and small signature but have paper tanks, so it's not about pop at the gate and start shooting primaries hitting you from far distances you can hit but force them to fight you at ranges YOU can get the crap out of them.

the sac still sucks, it either dosnt have enough tank or not enough dps.

move the utility high to an extra low.

love this ship, but you are not fixing it enough to make it worth flying