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El Covah
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: El Covah on 19/12/2005 09:12:14 Hi.
I just figured out that if I copy my BPOs now e.g. 50 times that the new science&industry stuff doesn't drop a BPC each time if it's done, I need to "deliver" if full job is done. So I would have to wait full time now for all 50 copies to go (which takes almost 50 days). Of course I cannot afford to leave my BPO for two months stuck in this slot.
So I need to cancel the job and reinstall it new in smaller copy-runs.
But where is the cancel button ? Maybe I am too stupid, but I cannot find it !
Or is my BPO now stuck for 50 days ?`
El.
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Meryl Stryfe
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:17:00 -
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No cancel button.
Yes.
There's other threads about it, you're not the only one.
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Garia666
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: El Covah Edited by: El Covah on 19/12/2005 09:12:14 Hi.
I just figured out that if I copy my BPOs now e.g. 50 times that the new science&industry stuff doesn't drop a BPC each time if it's done, I need to "deliver" if full job is done. So I would have to wait full time now for all 50 copies to go (which takes almost 50 days). Of course I cannot afford to leave my BPO for two months stuck in this slot.
So I need to cancel the job and reinstall it new in smaller copy-runs.
But where is the cancel button ? Maybe I am too stupid, but I cannot find it !
Or is my BPO now stuck for 50 days ?`
El.
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El Covah
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666
I find it strange that you can copy for 50 days.. as i only can do 30 days max copy time..
It's not exactly 50 days but ~49.8 or something like that. When I entered BPO I first wanted to do 100 runs, but the factory replied to me that max run time are ~ 49.8 days. So I did 50 runs. I dunno on what it depends.
Btw.: Can I petition my BPO to be ejected ???
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:42:00 -
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Actually the system should prevent you from doing such a long job process. What type of facility did you do it in, a private (Player owned) or public (NPC Station) one?
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El Covah
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: El Covah on 19/12/2005 10:05:14 I started it in a NPC station in empire. The job is run by my research alt (2nd account) and payed out of his own wallet (not corpwallet).
Edit: More details I do not want to post on public forum, but I will fill out a petition after getting home from work with all details.
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Brannigan McCormick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:40:00 -
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More interestingly, will there ever be a Cancel button? I simply can't understand why this hasn't been in from the beginning?
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brannigan McCormick More interestingly, will there ever be a Cancel button? I simply can't understand why this hasn't been in from the beginning?
Well, I personally can see why there's no cancel button...
Set up useless BPO for 30 days, queue up the next after it for 30 days and so on. Rinse and repeat and you're effectively blocking the slot for whatever time you want, and when you got an important one just cancel everything and get going immediately. Sort of defies the whole point of the new system (reducing slot hogging as well, not only the lag that's created by runs that are done after 2 minutes).
As it is now you can block a slot if you want that way, but: You'll sacrifice the ability to use that BPO for anything else while it's waiting in the queue.
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Brannigan McCormick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lufio II Set up useless BPO for 30 days, queue up the next after it for 30 days and so on. Rinse and repeat and you're effectively blocking the slot for whatever time you want
Yes, thats a possibility, but, I queued up 2 BPOs for what should have been around 24 hours of ME research, and by accident (because I assumed the system automatically selected the slot with the least time left), I got them queued up so they will first be done sometime mid-january.
At least give us the capability to cancel jobs that are pending, I can see some idea in not being able to cancel running jobs, for the reasons you state.
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Patch86
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 19/12/2005 12:14:56 I feel it would be useful to bring in what the experts said:
Quote: Existing Factories and Research facilities are upgraded with Next-Generation equipment, allowing for remote management of all jobs and new opportunities for further specialization with new starbase structures. Implementing these changes resulted in the creation of Starbase Factories and Labs in addition to the preliminary infrastructure required to support science vessels.
Thats from the RMR features page. Would somone care to explain how a system that requires you to be in the station you're R&D-ing in to click a pointless "Deliver" button (effectively null-and-voiding the use of a remote selling skill to the average manufacturer) improves the remote management of all jobs........
[EDIT] Futhermore, what's all this about science vessels?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:15:00 -
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Oveur, since you seem to be on the prowl today, can we please get some official clarification on manufacturing with regard to this thread or this one?
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Brannigan McCormick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Thats from the RMR features page. Would somone care to explain how a system that requires you to be in the station you're R&D-ing in to click a pointless "Deliver" button (effectively null-and-voiding the use of a remote selling skill to the average manufacturer) improves the remote management of all jobs........
You dont have to be in the station, you can click Deliver from the Job overview in the science UI.
But, where's the Mobile Labs you should be able to anchor at POSes? All research slots in a 5 jump radius from where I am are already queued up, and we would very much like to install a lab on one of our POSes.
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Hanilein
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Posted - 2005.12.19 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Brannigan McCormick
Originally by: Lufio II Set up useless BPO for 30 days, queue up the next after it for 30 days and so on. Rinse and repeat and you're effectively blocking the slot for whatever time you want
Yes, thats a possibility, but, I queued up 2 BPOs for what should have been around 24 hours of ME research, and by accident (because I assumed the system automatically selected the slot with the least time left), I got them queued up so they will first be done sometime mid-january.
At least give us the capability to cancel jobs that are pending, I can see some idea in not being able to cancel running jobs, for the reasons you state.
I have exact the same problem - coudn't have been a task to include an "add to queue"-warning or something into the UI. So please implement a cancel button for pending jobs. |
Andrue
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Posted - 2005.12.19 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Brannigan McCormick
Originally by: Patch86 Thats from the RMR features page. Would somone care to explain how a system that requires you to be in the station you're R&D-ing in to click a pointless "Deliver" button (effectively null-and-voiding the use of a remote selling skill to the average manufacturer) improves the remote management of all jobs........
You dont have to be in the station, you can click Deliver from the Job overview in the science UI.
Strictly speaking, yes. You can click it. Unfortunately it just results in a garbled message telling you you'er at the wrong station. Even if you're in the right system you still can' deliver items remotely. -- (Battle hardened miner)
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Wukwuk
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Posted - 2005.12.19 13:59:00 -
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I cancel button would be tricky, since people could just move their jobs around the different assembly lines when one becomes free before their job starts. Could we have:
- the ability to enter manufacturing / research duration in time instead of runs? I. e. the client would calculate the max number of runs possible in the entered time. - a line in the materials overview that states the total time needed for the job?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wukwuk I cancel button would be tricky, since people could just move their jobs around the different assembly lines when one becomes free before their job starts.
Yea, and people being able to build stuff would be SO unfortunate!
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Lokimon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur Actually the system should prevent you from doing such a long job process. What type of facility did you do it in, a private (Player owned) or public (NPC Station) one?
You avoided answering the question. Looks like the new system is not only bugged (judging by your comment as to how it should work and the poster's experience) but it is incomplete.
When will the cancel button be implimented for research and manufacturing?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur Actually the system should prevent you from doing such a long job process. What type of facility did you do it in, a private (Player owned) or public (NPC Station) one?
Well. I've been told (by the system) that 50 days is max. It was at NPC station.
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Lady Ackrasta
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lokimon
When will the cancel button be implimented for research and manufacturing?
Inquiring minds want to know!
From a Dev post in the Game Development Forum:
"Things to bear in mind: It is deliberate that you cannot cancel a job."
Looks like they don't want people sticking BP's in to research/copy for an indefinite amount of time and then just yanking them out when they need to build things. At least this way some thought is required before clogging up the slots.
In my mind it's not the lack of a Cancel button that is the problem, it's the lack of any indication of how long the job is going to take before you install it!
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Captin ShadowHawk
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Captin ShadowHawk on 19/12/2005 19:43:33
Originally by: Lady Ackrasta
Originally by: Lokimon
When will the cancel button be implimented for research and manufacturing?
Inquiring minds want to know!
From a Dev post in the Game Development Forum:
"Things to bear in mind: It is deliberate that you cannot cancel a job."
Looks like they don't want people sticking BP's in to research/copy for an indefinite amount of time and then just yanking them out when they need to build things. At least this way some thought is required before clogging up the slots.
In my mind it's not the lack of a Cancel button that is the problem, it's the lack of any indication of how long the job is going to take before you install it!
Human error is always going to occur CCP devs should know this it is one of the first things you study in HCI (Human Computer Interaction) This is a bad move by CCP they should have considered another work around rather than leaving out a cancel button.
Bad CCP go and sit in the corner and think about what you've done!
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:43:00 -
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I love the new industry.
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Aeil
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Posted - 2005.12.19 20:31:00 -
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Well I, for one, learned a valuable lesson when I went to look for the cancel button. Oh well, roll on the 17 Jan.
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Elah Elahson
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Elah Elahson on 19/12/2005 21:36:11 What about those of us that accidentally queued up multiple jobs in the same slot after the patch first came out due to the lack of documentation on the new interface?
Why does a pending job use a lab slot if the job is not active? I'm down a lab slot for 25 days due to my accidental queueing above.
If there is no cancel button is there any safe guard to stop someone from grabbing a queue that was free when you looked at it but used when final accept quote button is pushed?
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