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Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:14:00 - [1] I have NPCed for at least 5 hours since the RMR patch and I can tell with absolute certainty: killing NPC became significantly easier. The main reason for this is lack of web/scramble NPC intys. In all 5 hours of NPCing in 0.0, I think I encountered web/scramble inty only once! NPCs have been improved in terms of reward, but why were they made easier? They should have gotten harder if anything. I think spawns should be adjusted to have web/scrambler intys much more often.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 15:18:07 I think it is OK to encourage more ppl to go NPCing. Besides, I dont see mining to be hard, so I guess NPCing should be easy as well unless it is a mission thingy. Not everyone can NPC easily in 0.0 without a BS. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
CapCrunnnch	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:19:00 - [3] Whilst i agree with you that there fewer of those killer inties i get less lag than i would with 8 npcs in the belt all scrambling me, I think the reward level in 0.0 is exactly what it should be. Exodus sent everyone back to empire, now in rmr look at the map in the evening you will see a good spread of people in 0.0 and its climbing. This is good for the server. In terms of balance I would ask the devs to make the npc BS's more harder either by giving them more damge or more hitpoints.
kebab v2	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:19:00 - [4] its true, im up 100mil in bounies since rmr deployment and i have not once been scrambled and im ratting in a -1 sec system. I was webed by a cruser once, dam that was scary
Alberto	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:43:00 - [5] Hehe the modÆs removed my post from this thread! And thought bush with all news companies were bad!
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:52:00 - [6] I have often advocated more advanced npc fights, or complexes at least, that are geared to specific hull restrictions. Yes, mixed fleets are more useful these days in npc situations sometimes. That's good. However, larger ship hulls are much more flexible than smaller ones will ever be. That is why I think there need to be Frigate-only, and Cruiser-only environments which contain advanced, high-bounty named npc interceptors and much more vicious cruisers. Content which would be swatted by properly fit Battleships, but which will always be a challenge for the best Frigate pilot - no warpouts allowed. It's a bit silly to have to have a proper battleship just to grind better frigate gear. The time to get advanced rewards should be commensurate with the time it takes battleships to down other advanced npc battleships. Obviously the rewards for BS pilots shoudl be greater, but those of interceptor or frig environments should be at least 20% of that. Cruiser only should be 40% in the 5/10/25 ratio. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
mogwai	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:54:00 - [7] The way this is going, it looks like npc'ing in 0.0 sec just got a damn site easier than doing level 4 missions note to self : find some 0.0 sec to play in, it'll cost me less in ships ............................................ It isnt a bug, it's a new feature
Korben Morat	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:56:00 - [8] I had a think about this one while NPC'ing in 0.0. Does anyone think that CCP might have hedged their bets with the NPC changes and took out the scramblers for a little while, just in case the new effects that the npc's got were overpowered and caused a lot of people petition ship losses? Maybe once the server and client have been patched again a few times, the old ceptors will be back I could be way off though
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Face Lifter I have NPCed for at least 5 hours since the RMR patch and I can tell with absolute certainty: killing NPC became significantly easier. The main reason for this is lack of web/scramble NPC intys. In all 5 hours of NPCing in 0.0, I think I encountered web/scramble inty only once! NPCs have been improved in terms of reward, but why were they made easier? They should have gotten harder if anything. I think spawns should be adjusted to have web/scrambler intys much more often. waves the risk vs reward flag, and call for nerf 0.0 You should try some underpaid missions, lots of nasty experiences to make there now Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Rafein	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:04:00 - [10] It was one of the things the devs were pushing with the changes More big ships, and fewer smaller ships in general, and sepcifically as you get out into .4 and lower
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:07:00 - [11] where are you guys ratting? guristas do the most scrambling/webbing, come up to tenal if you dont believe me Free Websites
Bulletproof Cupid	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Bulletproof Cupid on 19/12/2005 16:26:13 im NPCing in geminate against guristas, nice amounts of BSs and BCs, hardly any scramblers. Was the same on the test server in Venal, 3.7m dread spawn consisting of 4 scorpions and nothing else. EDIT to add... and while people may complain its too easy i think this is an excellent way to get people into 0.0 -------------------------------------------------- PLACEBO I've always been an introvert, happily bleeding.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:29:00 - [13] Yeah, 0.0 NPCs are too easy. Either add some interceptors, or (better) have the cruiser and battleships web & scramble. Right now 0.0 battleships and cruisers are big floating piles of isk and loot, with very close to zero risk. I don't exactly mind, since I'm hunting them and reaping the benefits, but still... they could be a bit more challenging imho.
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:31:00 - [14] Hmmm, well i know that in NPC's revisited, they were upping the BS spawns and cutting back on the frigs, my mate has come across about 15 BS spawns, multiple at that, oh and loads of destroyer and BC spawns. I reckon the destroyers will fill a nasty role with regards to ******* people up. Free Websites
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:38:00 - [15] so, the belts are making u very rich and very easy while missions make no isk at all and are very very very hard...
Edoo	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:41:00 - [16] I like the new changes, and it has encouraged me to stay playing eve. The new changes mean that a person who has specialised in NPCing against a certain race will do well, but a nub who just turns up will have more problems adapting. This is EXACTLY how it should be IMO.
Karash Amerius	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:48:00 - [17] If it gets people to leave some of the core sectors and into low sec and zero sec space, I am all for it.
DeGrand	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:55:00 - [18] CCP made the rats tank better (more armor?) and compensated it by lowering the damage they do. Combine this with the absolute lack of scramblers and presto..npcing is even more of a cakewalk. Give the rats their old damage back or at least raise it a bit. And give more rats a scrambler, closerange BS`s for instance. Rather uneventfull atm. Well..not counting the odd guy that enters sys and looks for ya.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:57:00 - [19] 0.0 ratting should be more isk/hour than L4 missions. Or less danger from Rats. Because there's _no_ threat quite like another player coming after you, and that's really a major balance point. -- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
Forlani	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:03:00 - [20] Huh ive found its been actually harder since the update. i used to be able to pull down a 750k bs spawn with 2 cruiser support and 3 frigs in about 5-8 minutes. Now im having to warp out multiple times to even get the 500k BS into structure. If we had the tackler frigs as well id be screwed. So speak for yourslef that their too easy
Rofel Meights	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:03:00 - [21] leave the goddamn npcs alone! they are fine as they are.
shakaZ XIV	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Edoo I like the new changes, and it has encouraged me to stay playing eve. The new changes mean that a person who has specialised in NPCing against a certain race will do well, but a nub who just turns up will have more problems adapting. This is EXACTLY how it should be IMO. What do you mean, specialized? Anyone can stack 2 or 3 hardeners of the same 2 damage types and tank npc's indefinately.
kebab v2	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Forlani Huh ive found its been actually harder since the update. i used to be able to pull down a 750k bs spawn with 2 cruiser support and 3 frigs in about 5-8 minutes. Now im having to warp out multiple times to even get the 500k BS into structure. If we had the tackler frigs as well id be screwed. So speak for yourslef that their too easy what'cha flying??? I find the 3 battle cruser 3 cruser spawn far more difficult than the tripple bs spawns, the focused fire is far more dangerous than the battleships lousy dps thats easly avoided.
Dan Grobag	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:36:00 - [24] i had encountered 2bs + 2cruiser spawn and they didn't even break my shield on my arma they were all dead. yes ! i didn't even had a hardener nor a shield booster. they are definatly too easy.
Forlani	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Forlani on 19/12/2005 17:44:27 Originally by: kebab v2 Originally by: Forlani Huh ive found its been actually harder since the update. i used to be able to pull down a 750k bs spawn with 2 cruiser support and 3 frigs in about 5-8 minutes. Now im having to warp out multiple times to even get the 500k BS into structure. If we had the tackler frigs as well id be screwed. So speak for yourslef that their too easy what'cha flying??? I find the 3 battle cruser 3 cruser spawn far more difficult than the tripple bs spawns, the focused fire is far more dangerous than the battleships lousy dps thats easly avoided. Im in an Apoc with 6 Tach beams. Im setup for distance, so when i get hit it hurts, with the multiple BS spawns and their cruiser support ive gone into armour many times, and on my last try went into structure too.
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:46:00 - [26] Nah man i just got taken down by the new destroyers they wrecked me for 2k damage. Keep the npcs there loot sucks currently thou so we should make that better.
Crazy Alchemist	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:54:00 - [27] The npcs are more well rounded than before, i think this is a good improvement and it shouldnt be changed.
Crusher166	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:54:00 - [28] its much harder with the new style of npc spawns... and the loot wasnt all that good either. Crusher - Penguin On The Television Set
altofamain	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:55:00 - [29] THE NPCS ROCK NOW. DONT COMPLAIN
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:55:00 - [30] Hmmmmm... IMHO, I do not think NPCing is easy, it is more like lucky to have easy rats. I think it is quite balanced now. Cant understand it, if easy, ppl complain, if hard, ppl also complain. Maybe after NPCing, go PvPing then you will get ultimate balance. Just my 5 ISKs. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Crusher166	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Crazy Alchemist The npcs are more well rounded than before, i think this is a good improvement and it shouldnt be changed. if by well rounded you mean harder..... fair enough Crusher - Penguin On The Television Set
BloodRayne 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:57:00 - [32] Personally i feel they are far harder then pre-patch the bounties make it worthwhile but now theres not so much loot to refine and i see no increase in good items dropping.
CursedBeast	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:58:00 - [33] i suppose they are more rounded now that they arent so easy anymore.
Bulletproof Cupid	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:07:00 - [34] Edited by: Bulletproof Cupid on 19/12/2005 18:07:58 Edited by: Bulletproof Cupid on 19/12/2005 18:07:21 Probably just good luck but ive had 3 arbalest cruise launchers drop today, add their value (15mill per launcher) to the bouties and ive made over 60mill NPCing this afternoon, , and thats only 2 jumps into 0.0. Setup Apoc, 7 megapulse, 100mn AB, 3x cap recharge, 2x Large rep, 3x hardeners, 2x cap power relays - 5 med drones *all Tech2 apart from cap power relays NO spawn came close to causing me any concern. I LOVE the new NPCs -------------------------------------------------- PLACEBO I've always been an introvert, happily bleeding.
O'knar	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 15:18:07 I think it is OK to encourage more ppl to go NPCing. Besides, I dont see mining to be hard, so I guess NPCing should be easy as well unless it is a mission thingy. Not everyone can NPC easily in 0.0 without a BS. Hell, I can take on dual BS spawns in my uber Caracal, it's not easy/fast and it shouldn't be, it's just right.
MalaMo	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:53:00 - [36] I still think syndicate is worst region for npcing... Well Geminate is realy close to that. ------------- Don't drink and drive, logon to EVE and fly.
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:56:00 - [37] Originally by: MalaMo I still think syndicate is worst region for npcing... Well Geminate is realy close to that. And I'm not complaining at all -- I don't represent my alliance God is on the side with the best artillery
DeGrand	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:17:00 - [38] Harder? what u lot smoking? If that means they take longer to kill..your right. But they pose ZERO threat atm, I can tank the ugliest `normal` spawn out there (3x 1.85mil and 3 BC`s) with 1 large rep..and still not even have to look at my armor once. Before I often had to flip on the 2nd one to keep up with their damage (2x 1.5mil and 6 cruisers). Then theres the fact that almost none of them warpscramble you, so even if you run into a officer spawn for instance..you can just hightail it outta there. Anyway..if this means more ppl in 0.0, I guess I`m somewhat gonna enjoy the targetrich environtment.
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:42:00 - [39] How about just add a third damage type to guristas, serpentis and blood raiders. Then you can up the loot a little bit. Resistance tanks are too easy for npcing at the moment, though nerfing them would be bad for pvp. We also need a couple higher tracking, lower hp npc battleships and cruisers to mix it up. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.12.20 03:56:00 - [40] I think to restore the balance all that is needed is to put back the web/scramble inty spawns. At least 20% of the BS spawns should have inty support. 20% is rather little.. right now it's like 3% of bs spawns having inty support. Having NPC BS do more damage would be nice also, but for sake of the noob carebears, I'm willing to settle only for a bit more intys
Pepperami	Posted - 2005.12.20 04:07:00 - [41] I'm happy NPC'ing is more lucrative now, it's a means to make isk. When I want a challenge I pvp, and that's the way it should be. ___________________________ Originally by: TheKiller8 anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a racist.
Brep	Posted - 2005.12.20 04:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 15:18:07 I think it is OK to encourage more ppl to go NPCing. Besides, I dont see mining to be hard, so I guess NPCing should be easy as well unless it is a mission thingy. Not everyone can NPC easily in 0.0 without a BS. not sure if anyone else pointed this out but 0.0 belt hunting is possible in a thorax now, easy as. I personally use an Enyo and I don't think I've had to use my armor repairer once. Pre RMR I was being webbed and scrambled by multiple intys at once which made it a real headache (and more like pvp). Whilst I love ratting now, it's a bit of a crime that it can be done in such cheap ships now (cruisers).
juduzz	Posted - 2005.12.20 04:15:00 - [43] NPCing is WAY easier now, takes a little longer to kill em but the money and better loot makes up for it, Ive personaly made 100 mill in just over a day hunting blood BS in my zealot, warp in tank every thing, if ya get webbed by the very rare elite frigs pop em and just kill the BS.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.12.20 04:28:00 - [44] Let me put it this way: I want about 20% of NPC spawns to be designed for "very powerful players" or "group hunting". Right now, the only NPC spawns the qualify are the very rare commander spawns and even more rare officer spawns. Right now, if you are a high skilled player with good battleship/HAC, there is no challenge whatsoever. It's just a mindless grind. What if there were some spawns where you actually had to sweat a little? Is the idea of "this spawn is too hard for me, I should try look for another one" too revolutionary for your thick skulls? heh Or you'll just keep at it, die to a hard spawn, then complain that NPC hunting is too hard? Some NPCs should be hard. And hard NPCs should happen way more often than commander and officer spawns. Lets take advantage of the negative system security ratings. -1.0 should have good chances of spawning very hard spawns, that are actually difficult to solo for high skill players.
F'lan Ker	Posted - 2005.12.20 06:37:00 - [45] S! I have been NOS'ed, webbed and scrambled by Blood Raider NPCs while fighting them, so they use the equipment. Loot is varying in quality though. Harder or easier, hard to tell as I am a newbie and use team to engage. ----------------------------------------------------- ~Let Chaos Entwine On Defenceless Soil~
Rehqama	Posted - 2005.12.20 07:13:00 - [46] I find it easier now, I'm using a domi with nossies and drones, stuff goes down very fast :)
Earthan	Posted - 2005.12.20 07:16:00 - [47] Agree facelifter . Maybe more warpscrmbling inties or make it random to some cruisers /bs warpscramble and webifie? TOugh the last suggestion would make npcing hell:) ***************************** Out here on the perimeter there are no stars Out here we is stoned-immaculate.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.12.20 07:34:00 - [48] I like the new NPCs.. but I agree, that maybe the close range cruisers should web and scramble too. But all in all I like it... Nothing like being jammed by guristas when you are already in low armor :))) - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation in any way. -
Elgoom Opuk	Posted - 2005.12.20 08:21:00 - [49] I've hunted serpentis NPC in the last days.. they have more hps/resistances, but they hit like wusses. The rewards are nice, but NPCing is close to being as exciting as mining at the moment...
Devoras2	Posted - 2005.12.20 09:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Face Lifter I have NPCed for at least 5 hours since the RMR patch and I can tell with absolute certainty: killing NPC became significantly easier. The main reason for this is lack of web/scramble NPC intys. In all 5 hours of NPCing in 0.0, I think I encountered web/scramble inty only once! NPCs have been improved in terms of reward, but why were they made easier? They should have gotten harder if anything. I think spawns should be adjusted to have web/scrambler intys much more often. What on earth...erh...space, are you doing ! Be quiet you ******. We like the changes to rats like its now. Dont tell the Dev`s anything, or give them any fishy ideas! I`m getting rich down here And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
Uther Doull	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Lord Aradon where are you guys ratting? guristas do the most scrambling/webbing, come up to tenal if you dont believe me i've been ratting gurista's in 0.0 all sunday and monday, and the only thing that happened to me EW wise was that they broke my lock a few times... but i haven't found any of the nasty spawns yet, biggest one i got was 2x 950k ravens and 3x ~250k feroxes

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