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Arkelis
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:32:00 -
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Hello to all,
Firstly could anyone who replies to this post please keep griefing, moaning to a minimun. The reason? I would like the Devs/CCP to take this post seriously and perhaps try to make some changes based on general feelings of players.
1: why do level 4 missions cause people to get upset about those who solo them? (would you agree the rewards are not that great and are even less when group played).
2: What do you think of the new npc rules in level 4 missions or overall? (I have heard a few comments made in-game regarding the gallente navy level 4 mission in particular, as being to tough).
3: The loot table seems to have been betterd on npc hunting in 0.0 space (ive heard) but in level 4 missions have remained the same. I have picked up lots of smaller then bs loot from bs's in level 4's. Why is this and have others noticed it too?
4: Is there any chance that CCP will look at changing the loot tables and rewards of lvl 4 missions based on responses to this post? Example splitting lp with others in mission group as happens with isk.
Final question 5: How many of you would agree that level 4 missions no longer provide the reward for the risks taken? (Please only answer this question if you have played level 4 missions since the patch).
My thanks in advance to anyone who replies to this post in a professional manner. If you really want CCP to take notice I believe you need to treat them with respect. Afterall no job is easy when you deal with the Public :)
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arkelis Hello to all,
Firstly could anyone who replies to this post please keep griefing, moaning to a minimun. The reason? I would like the Devs/CCP to take this post seriously and perhaps try to make some changes based on general feelings of players.
1: why do level 4 missions cause people to get upset about those who solo them? (would you agree the rewards are not that great and are even less when group played).
2: What do you think of the new npc rules in level 4 missions or overall? (I have heard a few comments made in-game regarding the gallente navy level 4 mission in particular, as being to tough).
3: The loot table seems to have been betterd on npc hunting in 0.0 space (ive heard) but in level 4 missions have remained the same. I have picked up lots of smaller then bs loot from bs's in level 4's. Why is this and have others noticed it too?
4: Is there any chance that CCP will look at changing the loot tables and rewards of lvl 4 missions based on responses to this post? Example splitting lp with others in mission group as happens with isk.
Final question 5: How many of you would agree that level 4 missions no longer provide the reward for the risks taken? (Please only answer this question if you have played level 4 missions since the patch).
My thanks in advance to anyone who replies to this post in a professional manner. If you really want CCP to take notice I believe you need to treat them with respect. Afterall no job is easy when you deal with the Public :)
i stoped lvl4's afte rmr the loot did't get better at all only miner difrend is that they removed basic crap. the new ECM ability is overpowerd for the npc's and very anoying countering ECM is olmost unpossible becouse its luck based, i tried backup sensor but i somehow still get jammed and fof's is sucide in missions. also npc's got few more hitpoints. in stead of making the bounty higher they actualy lowerd it!. i heard some drone mission got liddle more easy tough...
missions are not a good way to make isk fast any more, im back to lvl3 missions to get my standing up and im making a 1 man corporation to get jump clones. after that im going to 0.0 and probitly die and get podded alot, thats how ccp wants it.
no, isk/risk is not balanced even the most expirienced players sometimes loos theyr ship in missions becouse of a dumb mistake/forgot to fit good hardeners or somting like that.
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Meester
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Meester on 20/12/2005 02:37:24 I have to agree that level 4 missions have taken a turn for the worse, as far as playability. For one, sometimes it is terribly hard to line up a person to help in a 4 hour mission. For example the extravagaza missions. Also there seem to be very few interested in sharing the loot/bounty.
On the loot table... well just yesterday I shot the Boss ship down on the 5th gate Guristas Extravaganza, and received a frigate MWD... along with some other very low-end loot. Im thinking mission loot tables werent changed much.
As far as splitting LP's Im not sure that would be very feasible, but it probably would encourage cooperation in the missions.
For question 5 Id say I dont know yet .. .I'm still trying out the missions, but I'll most likely turn down Silence the Informant mission from now on seeing as I lost a 10 month old Raven with equipment totalling several hundred million ISKs 2nd Gate is very risky Solo. Especially if you are warped right on top of the group guarding the gate. I think Spider Drones are a little Too strong. Maybe anything giving off RF strong enough to prevent a warp, or slow ship movement should have a signature penalty? After all .... A cruise Missile should be able to hit for more than 38 points
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Mithylos
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mithylos on 20/12/2005 02:52:20 Speaking of which... I thought they were going to make it easier to tell who is scramming who... I went into a lvl 4 solo and was overwhelmed by the little guys.. no prob... I can tank em all for a bit.. But I was being scrammed and couldn't tell which group to target... Someone in local said to check the log, but that thing is rolling faster than Paris Hilton at a ******* party... <--- they censored the word for a white powdery illegal narcotic for some reason
I agree that the risk/ISK sux.. I'm worried about the fix though... If they drop better stuff, then the increased availability of that stuff drags the market down and makes it worthless again over time.
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Jin XX
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:22:00 -
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Rogue Drone Missions seem to be "easy" right now, at least those with the Supreme Drone Parasites exchanged to a close range BS drone ... keep at range, done.
With the changes to drones (5 x Vespa II) and a Target Painter II i did not run into any problems so far. Jamming gets annoying from time to time, and looks like much more rats aggro at once.
Bounties in empire suck for months now, so i am rather used to it. Loot doesn't look much different at all, only "basic ..." stuff seems to be gone. Still getting frigate loot for battleships.
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Arkelis
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:59:00 -
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Quote Mithylos:I'm worried about the fix though... If they drop better stuff, then the increased availability of that stuff drags the market down and makes it worthless again over time.
Hello,
Thanks to those that have taken time to voice their opinions so far. Mithylos I understand what you are saying, however the 0.0 rare drops have been happening now for some time now and yet they still sell for a lot of isk on escrow. So rather then dropping lots of the same market stuff that may cause value decrease, they could drop rare loot on an ocassional basis (lvl 4 mission bs's). What do you think about that?
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Mithylos
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Posted - 2005.12.21 08:21:00 -
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Hello,
Thanks to those that have taken time to voice their opinions so far. Mithylos I understand what you are saying, however the 0.0 rare drops have been happening now for some time now and yet they still sell for a lot of isk on escrow. So rather then dropping lots of the same market stuff that may cause value decrease, they could drop rare loot on an ocassional basis (lvl 4 mission bs's). What do you think about that?
Good point. Sounds good to me. Actually wouldn't be opposed to rare drops in higher sec systems.. even up to .9... The higher the sec, the less chance of a rare drop (.9 would be like a 2% chance I think, so 1 in 50 BS's drops something good). just my opin
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Liu Bei
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Liu Bei on 21/12/2005 19:15:18 Very good post. Pay attention CCP. It all started out as giving players the choice to do whatever they want to get some sort of income stream. Some chose mining, others manufacturing and some like myself and many others have chosen to grind missions for a living. What you're doing is pushing the players who do not manufacture to purely mine to be able to generate sufficient income. Sure missions can be boring and repetitive. None of the changes have made it any more fun for me as far as I'm concerned.
I have almost 28 million SPs on my main character and I still cannot get decent amounts of cash to enable me to enjoy this game sufficiently. The rewards are crap, the losses are huge if players wish to take the risk of soloing lvl 4s. Far too great compared to any of the loot provided. T2 parts have been removed and now NPCs use electronic warfare. Why don't just add a couple of titans in lvl 3 missions to spice things up? I fail to see how this can in any way be fun. I have tried again and again to accomodate to the changes but I think this has become far too ridiculous. You're putting people like me off the game.
You need money to enjoy the game. For those who think it's easy to get a corp buddy to do some lvl 4s you're obviously delusional. The easier ones are well... easy. Harder ones require hours of work and rewards are even more pathetic when split between several people. This game also caters for the more mature audience. For people who work it's hard enough to find time to play, let alone depend on someone else for 4 hours without them having any form of sunstantial monetary gains. I try again and again to find the logic to these changes and I have failed many times. Please enlighten me. How is this fun for the mission runner?
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Super frenchy
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Posted - 2005.12.24 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Super frenchy on 24/12/2005 04:18:53 It seems that ccp find a good way to make people move to 0.0 : with the rmr patch 0.0 hunting pay even more than before ( between 10 and 20M/hour + the loot often worth 20M more .... hoo and don't forget the named npc and the awesome faction stuff they drop ) and as I can see it's easier than before.... I can destroy a 1.2M serpentis bs before he can use his repair once time ( sure I'm in a blasterthron but still .. )
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2005.12.24 11:18:00 -
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Think everyone knew this was going to happen, lvl 4's at one time were to easy to solo, now your going to need organised gangs. As for that lvl 3 story mission, ask in local at peak times theres bound to be plenty of people able to join.
If you dont want to negotiate a reward and bounty split to incourage people to join then its your loss at the end of the day the lp hasnt changed (or has it??)
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Arkelis
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Posted - 2005.12.24 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gabby05 Think everyone knew this was going to happen, lvl 4's at one time were to easy to solo, now your going to need organised gangs. As for that lvl 3 story mission, ask in local at peak times theres bound to be plenty of people able to join.
If you dont want to negotiate a reward and bounty split to incourage people to join then its your loss at the end of the day the lp hasnt changed (or has it??)
Hi Gabby05,
I dont have a problem splitting the reward. I normally Solo lvl 4's anyway but lately it is tougher and more dangerous. My Post is really just to get a feel for what other player think regarding the matter. I appreciate you taking the time to Reply to the post and just wanted to clear up the fact that splitting loot/isk with anyone who may help me in a lvl 4 is never a problem, my point is that lvl 4,s dont pay enough out in loot drops or isk to really make it worth while grouping them. As you can see from the above post 0.0 is yet again coming off the better. Empire players who just want to enjoy the game without the possabilty of being ganked at every gate are not being catered for. Thats why I made this thread and thats why I hope to get more peoples opinions so that CCP will hopefully take a look and maybe help out a bit. The Lp hasnt changed it was just a suggestion that would probably incourage others to take part in lvl 4 groups. Have a great Christmas to all who read this :) Take care.
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Arkelis
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Posted - 2005.12.28 14:06:00 -
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Hello All,
Would a representative of CCP please take some time to give us their view on the above. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you :)
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Arkelis
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:06:00 -
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Hello All,
Happy new Year to you. Ok I have to confess....at the start of this post I asked people not to grief and to try and reply in a professional manner BUT what the hell is with the LVL 4 bs drops. I killed 5 Ravens and a Scorp (piths) lastnight and all of them dropped loot cans and only one of them had Bs loot. Please, Please CCP will you change the loot tables for missions. It just doesnt make sense how a Bs can hit so hard and yet drop 200 medium rail with medium ammo and 100 heavy missiles. You are getting laced with cruise and yet they drop heavy missiles. Com'on all ready. Change the loot PLEASE. Thank you.
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