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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.04 10:02:00 -
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Hi.
I got rejected as Oneiros pilot in TDF yesterday by the simply fact that I got a medium remote repairer on my Logistic. Since it probably has something to do with this article: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=ArmorOneiros and even 2 TDF leaders reinforced this opinion herself I might write down a bit about the module and the pros/cons. I am not a new logi pilot and I flown logistics in Incursions for over 2 years, thousands of sites, uncountable scenarios where everything went wrong and did quite a bit logi FC, so bare with me here. While it is true that normal medium remote repair systems are far worse in the performance compared to large, the dead space ones are pretty close and in a mixed fitting the difference is fairly small. While the rep amount difference is fairly negotiable(hilarious if you keep in mind that most FCs want damage drones), it allows the logi to run longer, fit more utility(tracking links), tank better or get around fitting implants, that limit the ability's of the pilot in other hulls or very expensive modules like the storyline 1600mm plate.
4 meta 4 large RR: 4 * 384 / 5 = 307,2 hp/s 3 T2 + deadspace med RR: 3 * 384 / 4.5 + 312 / 5 = 318,4 hp/s 4 T2: 4 * 384 / 4,5 = 341,4 hp/s
With a full wing of T2 RR drones(5 x 70 / 5 = 70hp/s) we get 388,4 vs 411,4 hp/s what equals 94,4% of the hp/s of a full large T2 RR fitting or 3% better than a fitting with 4 meta 4 repairers(377,2 vs 384,4).
[Oneiros, VG] True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
This fitting with the EM-806 runs 20 minutes, even with neuting I never did run in any cap problems using all reps at 100% uptime with it. You could even use all 5 low slots for tank, while still having 2.45 minutes of runtime or add a signal amplifier or drone damage mods if you run a contest setup.
[Oneiros, Assault/HQ] True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
10MN Analog Booster Rockets Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
This fitting runs 9 minutes, offers 3 tracking links and with the same tank as cap recharger fittings,it could be fully stable with another cap recharger. I never did run into any capacitor problem with it, between switch targets and the spawning of new waves it is more or less fully cap stable.
While I could get me a new Oneiros with a 4 T2 large repairer fitting without any issues, I would like to see that TDF re-evaluate her general stance about the module, since it opens up a lot of interesting fitting options, offers better performance than meta 4 RR fittings and can also be used by younger players with less support skills to build sustainable and well tanked Logistics. While it is a case to case decision on fitting that combine meta 4 RR with a medium dead space, I build up a fitting like this for somebody that started to fly a Execuror for us and jumped into his Oneiros with logistics level 4(still 4 links). I noticed a big performance improvement over his first fitting that only had like 2 minutes of cap and was rather a glass cannon. If you can use all 4 reps sustainable it is often more effective than if you are forced down to 3 reps in general and only use the 4. one in burst scenarios.
So in summery:
T2 RR + medium rep offers longer runtime, can be tanked better or offers more utility, is comparable with 4 meta 4 RR fittings in remote rep performance, requires no power grid implants, offers the best mix out of utility, survivability(most of the current Oneiroses I have seen in AS gangs are rather flimsy compared to guardians) and rr performance for Assault/HQ and is often a better choice for newer players than the general 2-3 minutes fittings, because her support skills are not maxed they will not even reach this figures and are more often than not just limited to 3 remote repair modules.
Thx for reading. |
James Baboli
Warner Bros.
11
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Posted - 2013.08.04 11:09:00 -
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It is, has been, and always should be FC discretion who to take into fleet for incursions. If the fit is called into question, then rather than stopping to look at the details of the math and the reasoning behind the fitting decisions, they'll probably go with keeping on running and making sure their fleet is safe. Logi is and will always be the place where FCs are most conservative about odd fits comming at them cold. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
349
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:02:00 -
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You'll fly what everyone else fly's and you'll like it. What do you think this is, some kind of sandbox where you can do whatever you want? |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
147
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:51:00 -
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Or if you think it's such an outrageous tactic, why not try to get into FC'ing and being in a leadership role in said communities? Then you can just accept the wonky fits because mathematically you know their merits. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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nahjustwarpin
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:57:00 -
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That FC is quite terrible. replacing meta reppers with t2 and one ds medium slightly reduces repping power but frees pg for better plate and what not. I would say that he doesn't tinker with fittings, just accepts what should everyone use and has no will to improve. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.04 17:09:00 -
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Morgan Torry wrote:Or if you think it's such an outrageous tactic, why not try to get into FC'ing and being in a leadership role in said communities? Then you can just accept the wonky fits because mathematically you know their merits.
I did a lot Logi FC for Ludus back in the days and I am in the trusted TDF logi channel, because I flown a lot with them. I fly this fittings for another channel on a daily basis and they work great(paired up with BS that use a lot less EHP than TDF does).
The reason I bring this up is that it might lead some FCs to a point where they revalidate this kind of fittings fairly by her capability instead of outright ban them. |
James Baboli
Warner Bros.
11
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Posted - 2013.08.04 18:25:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote: The reason I bring this up is that it might lead some FCs to a point where they re-evaluate this kind of fittings fairly by her capability instead of outright ban them.
That's what I'd love people to do to me if I made a mistake, though in private first. Trying to discuss a fit with an FC currently running a fleet is usually pointless as they aren't paying attention to that, so bringing it up later is about the only option. |
Kenpo
61st Angry Angels
7
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Posted - 2013.08.04 18:47:00 -
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Tried and true before something new. The problem you face is current fleet doctrine, a.k.a the tried and true methods of successful runs. You need to prove your fit to the entire community before doctrine will change. Good luck. Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
180
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:08:00 -
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Par for the course in incursion communities.
I got sick of anchoring fleets with a RS due to FC's being the same way.
Many still stick with RS doesn't have enough dps. (( Old dps max was just over 900, now it's well over 1200 and more lands )) Although that thought process was before drone damage upgrades and the cruise missile improvements. With my perfect skills for the ship and 5% implants I was landing more dps than anyone in fleet since they rarely have the sp or implants to give anywhere near the all L5 numbers they claim. Never lost a ship in a fleet that I was anchoring either. Can't take all that isk into account when going for max isk per hour/
Incursion communities are generally years out of date and lack basic sense at this point.
Same guy they want to help anchor the HQ is the same guy that could keep the losses of ships low in vg's too but they blow you off and then ask for help when they get to HQ's. Then act shocked when the missile users tell them to **** off. Similar stuff happens with navy scorpion pilots but it's not as shockingly bad.
Having mining drones (( you will see times when useful in vg's )) and armor repair to fix bleed through between fights doesn't mean anything to the FC's either.
The everyone in comp mode with tc's instead of tp's and web's to get done faster and actually helps competition if you are the first just flat out sucks.
I find with all the BS with incursions and actually calculating in all the wait times that I make more just running L4's if the mood for PvE hits me.
Incursion hay day was about 2 years ago, it's been all down hill since. All the tears going around are funny though. I don't know why people keep popping the mom's. It's not like you are blowing off vets in perfectly trained/fitted ships so that you can grab another noob in his faction fitted shiny that does a much worse job. Wait that is what they do. Let's go burn the Mom's and **** them out of income since we can make about the same (( Sometimes more)) just doing missions while they can barely complete them. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2221
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:41:00 -
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if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it. |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
493
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:46:00 -
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I figure I might as well weigh in, both my ships have better that 70% an all resists with OGB and a prop mod (Though it is not necessary for some fleets) and both use t2 large reps;
My scimi stats Capacitor (Stable at 23.32%) Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s
My Oneiros Stats Capacitor (Stable at 39.64%) Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s
So why would armor be at a disadvantage due to game mechanics. That is if both ships were piloted by someone competent. Of course armor FC's need to stop adding 1600 plates on everything and start using the fleet broadcast and early warnings already at their disposal.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:18:00 -
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Kenpo wrote:Tried and true before something new. The problem you face is current fleet doctrine, a.k.a the tried and true methods of successful runs. You need to prove your fit to the entire community before doctrine will change. Good luck.
Yes, because you never heard of a multicore processor is a good reason to not try one.
Eve is Real |
sparta93
Warner Bros.
10
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Posted - 2013.08.05 06:12:00 -
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As an incursion FC if its not a standard logi fit i wont invite it |
James Baboli
Warner Bros.
11
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Posted - 2013.08.05 06:16:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Incursion communities are generally years out of date and lack basic sense at this point.
This really depends on the community now. |
Mixery82
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
2
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Posted - 2013.08.05 08:15:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I figure I might as well weigh in, both my ships have better that 70% an all resists with OGB and a prop mod (Though it is not necessary for some fleets) and both use t2 large reps;
My scimi stats Capacitor (Stable at 23.32%) Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s
My Oneiros Stats Capacitor (Stable at 39.64%) Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s
So why would armor be at a disadvantage due to game mechanics. That is if both ships were piloted by someone competent. Of course armor FC's need to stop adding 1600 plates on everything and start using the fleet broadcast and early warnings already at their disposal.
Edit; added an Armor Mindlink to the OGB and Repair rate increased to 1536 / 504.51 hp/s
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Mixery82
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
2
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Posted - 2013.08.05 08:24:00 -
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Mixery82 wrote:[quote=Goldiiee]
Of course armor FC's need to stop adding 1600 plates on everything and start using the fleet broadcast and early warnings already at their disposal.
The biggest disadvantage of Armor Fleets is their overtanking issue. I've flown this setup a long time in MWD Fleets and it was just fine.
[Vindicator, Armor] Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Core B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II Large Anti-Thermic Pump I [empty rig slot]
Garde II x5
DPS is 2015 with my Skills and Imps Resists are 67% 68,3% 57,1% 74,3% before boost |
Kenpo
61st Angry Angels
7
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Posted - 2013.08.05 11:59:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Kenpo wrote:Tried and true before something new. The problem you face is current fleet doctrine, a.k.a the tried and true methods of successful runs. You need to prove your fit to the entire community before doctrine will change. Good luck. Yes, because you never heard of a multicore processor is a good reason to not try one.
Interesting....... It seems your a bit bent about something. Have you seen a doctor about it? Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment. |
nahjustwarpin
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.08.05 14:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it.
you have no idea what you're talking about. there are fits with 5 large meta reppers or 3 large t2, 1 meta and one DS medium, reps 410 instead of 414, but frees pg and allows to fit t2 plate instead of meta. if someone is doing something wrong, is you not using eft |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2224
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:23:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Jack Miton wrote:if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it. you have no idea what you're talking about. there are fits with 5 large meta reppers or 3 large t2, 1 meta and one DS medium, reps 410 instead of 414, but frees pg and allows to fit t2 plate instead of meta. if someone is doing something wrong, is you not using eft oh im sorry, let me rephrase it:
if youre NOT fitting 4x large T2 reps on your PVE logi, then youre doing it wrong.
PS: you dont even need a 1600 plate on an VG logi, let alone a T2 one. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1135
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:32:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it.
Math is clearly not your strong suit.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:34:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:Jack Miton wrote:if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it. you have no idea what you're talking about. there are fits with 5 large meta reppers or 3 large t2, 1 meta and one DS medium, reps 410 instead of 414, but frees pg and allows to fit t2 plate instead of meta. if someone is doing something wrong, is you not using eft oh im sorry, let me rephrase it: if youre NOT fitting 4x large T2 reps on your PVE logi, then youre doing it wrong. PS: you dont even need a 1600 plate on an VG logi, let alone a T2 one. you also dont need to be cap stable
Since you obviously don't get it, the fitting was modified for very specific and practical reason by people that got a lot experience in running Incs(we don't fit a medium rep just because we can). Think about why we would prefer a oneiros that requires zero cap management, can use 100% remote rep power the hole site and got a good tank, so it can easily fixed by single RR marauder. Every 4 T2 Rep Oni fitting is vastly inferior for our own needs since it lacks runtime or tank compared to this fitting, with only minimal improvements in remote rep power.
However this is not the topic of the thread, it is revisiting the fitting rules for medium remote rep modules, since I think a lot of newer players could get more useful run times on her fittings and assault/HQ fittings could be improved by it.
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2224
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:08:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:Since you obviously don't get it, the fitting was modified for very specific and practical reason by people that got a lot experience in running Incs(we don't fit a medium rep just because we can). Think about why we would prefer a oneiros that requires zero cap management, can use 100% remote rep power the hole site and got a good tank, so it can easily fixed by single RR marauder. Every 4 T2 Rep Oni fitting is vastly inferior for our own needs since it lacks runtime or tank compared to this fitting, with only minimal improvements in remote rep power.
However this is not the topic of the thread, it is revisiting the fitting rules for medium remote rep modules, since I think a lot of newer players could get more useful run times on her fittings and assault/HQ fittings could be improved by it. I threw together a 4 T2 rep onieros in about 15 seconds in EFT. it's cap stable in practice (if you swap rep targets at all it's stable), 1600 plate (m4 admittedly), has 4 slot tank, has 4 tracking links. for running VG sites, literally the only difference to yours is that it reps more.
Quote:[Oneiros, Incursions] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II swap the PDS for a RC and you can fit a T2 plate and still have plenty of cap for VGs. standard logi pilot implants assumed. |
Cage Man
247
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:51:00 -
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The FC is responsible for billions of other peoples isk, in the form of their ships, they do what they know works and has little risk. How would you feel in your pimped out vindi if an FC let someone in to come and try a new logi concept and you lost you ship? Each community has its requirements, if you not happy no one is forcing you to stick around, start your own. I am willing to bet the moment you mention your community is running with medium reps, no one will join. A few HP/s adds up in the end when you start throwing in boosts. I think in this case the FIFO principle applies. The thick plottens... |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
493
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Posted - 2013.08.06 03:36:00 -
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Solution to all armor's problems, :) [Navitas, Perfect Armor Logi]
3x Centii A-Type Small Remote Armor Repair System
1MN Republic Fleet Afterburner 2x Federation Navy Tracking Link
2x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Explosive Membrane
2x Small Remote Repair Augmentor II Small Semiconductor Memory Cell II
1x Light Armor Maintenance Bot II
[Statistics] Effective HP: 2,870 (Eve: 2,554) Tank Ability: 2.64 DPS
Damage Profile - EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00% Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 40.00%, Th: 20.00% Armor Resists - EM: 76.19%, Ex: 73.20%, Ki: 69.04%, Th: 69.04%
Capacitor: Stable at 45.69% Repair rate 368.5 hp / 182.5 hp/s
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
75
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:44:00 -
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90% of the carebears running incursions have their heads up their asses. Yes they my FC fleets worth billions of isk in a "Safe" environment but pilots are ultimately responsible for their own ship.
If a FC constantly welps fleets no one will run with them. Its no different then in pvp. In saying that a smart FC will load up eft and check a fit if it seems weird.
The fact is while that medium rep has less range it will cycle faster. So while it lacks the larger rep amount it will make up for it in rep speed.
Most logi pilots use reps as a group of 2. Meaning i throw 2 reps on the target to see if it tanks then add the third. The only time i go to 4 is in oh **** they aint tanking moments and at that point i am more then likely going to overload anyways..
You could always tell the elites to go pound sand. I make almost as much isk in null sec farming anomalies as i did running blitz fleets back when we did 4-6 minute sites.
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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:16:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote: I threw together a 4 T2 rep onieros in about 15 seconds in EFT.
And the run time is even shorter than on most TDF fittings...
I can't use the slot 6 pg implant, because some of our fittings require slaves. 2 minutes of run time means lots of micro, what is a pita if you play it for hours no stop, it can't sustain 100% rep over the full site what makes it very impractical in tandem with BS with relative low resists where you need full RR for longer and it would be in major problems as soon as one Oni has a disconnect(because you will lose 25% of you repair power after 30-45s with the normal 2 minute fittings), you start the site with just one logi(since we don't wait on logis) or something happens to the gang links(what means that you need 100% rep + heat non stop, what burns the cap on your oni faster than your reppers). The fitting is build to solve a few issues we had with the normal oneiros fittings in practical day to day game play, is fairly well tested and has not lost a single ship in countless situations where it had to work without a 2. logi for 1-2 minutes or the hole site. If you play it in tandem with a RR marauder you got around the same rr power as 2 guardians -> 6 T2 RR, 1 ds med, 1 set of medium T2 RR drones, 5% less RR from the logi is not important for us, being able to keep up 100% RR with zero micromanagement while having a tank that makes it easy to fix by a RR BS is.
@ Goldiiee it has nothing to do with armor vs shields, I rather don't want this subject in this thread, since I fly both and think it is kind of pointless. My intention is to lift the general ban on medium RR modules in TDF, because they are fairly effective in a lot of setups and offer lots of options to both new and older logistic pilots.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
741
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Posted - 2013.08.07 05:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:Jack Miton wrote:if youre fitting med reps on your logi then you are doing it wrong. there's no two ways about it. you have no idea what you're talking about. there are fits with 5 large meta reppers or 3 large t2, 1 meta and one DS medium, reps 410 instead of 414, but frees pg and allows to fit t2 plate instead of meta. if someone is doing something wrong, is you not using eft oh im sorry, let me rephrase it: if youre NOT fitting 4x large T2 reps on your PVE logi, then youre doing it wrong. PS: you dont even need a 1600 plate on an VG logi, let alone a T2 one. you also dont need to be cap stable
If you're telling a pilot that something they are highly successful is 'doing it wrong' on the forums, you are doing it like a sheep. Now go get your waders (my welsh friends get that joke dont worry). Eve is Real |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1547
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:07:00 -
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While i understand your evaluation, I don't get the point.
As others have said, often a FC is very busy and looking for replacement Oni pilots he's going to go with something he knows and is familiar with.
Bottom line is the eve-survival fit is solid. Cap stable, reps fine. Fits 4 links. can easily refit to larger sites.
I've flown that fit plenty and get accepted into fleets with no delay.
While your med rep fit may work, why bother over a globally accepted fit.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
741
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:23:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:While i understand your evaluation, I don't get the point.
As others have said, often a FC is very busy and looking for replacement Oni pilots he's going to go with something he knows and is familiar with.
Bottom line is the eve-survival fit is solid. Cap stable, reps fine. Fits 4 links. can easily refit to larger sites.
I've flown that fit plenty and get accepted into fleets with no delay.
While your med rep fit may work, why bother over a globally accepted fit.
I think its cap stable in a chain not cap stable. His fit uses less cap and runs 22 minutes. The reason to bother with it is ists safer for the fleet if a logi DC's. At least thats the information given which makes me ask why you asked in the first place. Eve is Real |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1547
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:27:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:While i understand your evaluation, I don't get the point.
As others have said, often a FC is very busy and looking for replacement Oni pilots he's going to go with something he knows and is familiar with.
Bottom line is the eve-survival fit is solid. Cap stable, reps fine. Fits 4 links. can easily refit to larger sites.
I've flown that fit plenty and get accepted into fleets with no delay.
While your med rep fit may work, why bother over a globally accepted fit.
I think its cap stable in a chain not cap stable. His fit uses less cap and runs 22 minutes. The reason to bother with it is ists safer for the fleet if a logi DC's. At least thats the information given which makes me ask why you asked in the first place.
The eve survival fit that I run is cap stable with everything running. And it has allowed me to be the hero when a logi has dc'd. So I don't understand your comment
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