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Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:11:00 -
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Is there any1 using Rattlesnake with success? (both PVP and PVE)
To me it seems that this ships is sub-par to all other ships of the same class, or am I wrong?
LM |
Saya Hecatonchires
Sons of Caldari
1
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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:59:00 -
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I'm actually using a rattlesnake in LV4 missions farming.
It is an excellent drone boat, I try it after using a missile boat for long time (scorp navy issue).
I use it with passive shield tank. I was surprised how much it was efficient only with techII modules and techI rigs, now it's a bit more shiny but not excessive (less than 800M ship hull included) . I'll be at 1050+dps within one week (drone interfacing V) and missing sentry techII (skill at 3). Never had trouble in lvl4 mission. (never done the angel extravaganza bonus room with it...had to try ) Some are requiring attention due to drone aggroing, so no afk.
AND : I love the gurista paint scheme and the hull efficient and sexy
I'll never try other drone boat except the gila (a mini rattlesnake).
fly free Only rabbit can do the job ! let's go rabbit, jump and go !! |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
330
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:09:00 -
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I ran a mission with it last night.
It's not the fastest, but I was exhausted, on a laptop and sloppy...it's the most forgiving hull I can think of that can still kill at a respectable rate.
And, that's what I use mine for - lazy/tired/carefree missioning and it excels in that role. I could fit it differently and clear faster at a cost of durability but I have other things for that.
I believe an active rattler has a genuinely sick DPS/tank capability but it's oft overlooked as everyone and their mother passive fits them. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
324
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:10:00 -
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works pretty well as a semi-afk mission boat. if it had better missile dps I'd probably load up on damage mods and active tank it, but as is I mostly just passive tank with a MJD and semi afk with auto targeting missiles. also if you get jammed or damped or w/e and have to pull your drones in you can manually fire off another volley of auto targeting missiles and your drones will start shooting again. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1302
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:30:00 -
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If what you want is great projection, awesome tank and decent dps while having loads of utility
Yea the rattler is pretty amazing. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line
40
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:51:00 -
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Rattlesnake... pvp?
Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
GTC Onzo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:22:00 -
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Have you guys not seen the rattlers fielded in the last few AT's? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
152
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:25:00 -
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I've used the rattler as a safe drone sniper mission runner that doesn't sacrifice that much DPS, and is safe for tough epic arc missions. If you're a minmax isk/hr use that pimped navy shield domi with the double damage and go to town. If you're not doing that the rattler is awesome.
highs = drone augs. Missile optional. AMLs are fun too. mids = mwd/MJD dual prop. 2 faction omni links, 3 slot tank (you're not a brawler, and you don't need to be sustainable) 4x DDAs, sigamp, damage control rigs: whatever
I don't passive tank my rattler because I like having capacitor and damage. Passive tank + mwd doesn't work so good.
its fun, but with the domi's 50% bonus to drone tracking and range, the ability to use garde's at insane ranges might make it better in this role than the snake. Fighting is Magic |
Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
119
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:30:00 -
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Another huge benefit of a rattler is that it works extremely well (in PVE) when fitted with just t2 modules. Other top end PVE ships need a lot of expensive shiny stuff to work. |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
80
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:42:00 -
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rattlesnake is a good ship. The reason many people actually dont use is is that it needs 2 different platform of weapons to be used at max . Missiles and sentries. If you go t2 on both then make it active , its a hell of a platform to be using and let's just say it can tank pretty much everything in the game ment for solo Ride hard, live with passion-á |
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Allyxy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:27:00 -
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Ty for all your answers, but I'm not yet convinced that RS is on pair with other Faction BSs.
I tried in EFT all the combination suggested and other faction fitting but its always much worse than others ( e.g. Machariels, Vargur etc... and even Dominix).
It's just average and does not excel in anything.
It also explain why a mach bpc cost as three times and a RS bpc imho.
AY |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
81
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:56:00 -
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it not sub par. t2 rattlesnake can do whatever it wants at drone regions. any other bs there is sub par
also a rattle can solo 10/10 . other faction bs need at least 4x times or more the price . The mach bpc cost more because the demand is higher
Dominix for example were around 80m maybe less if you searched a bit. Look at them now that the demand has increased. The cruise lancher buff has made RS increasing as a demand for the market but still is nowhere near the machariel's . So its not right to judge the ships from the price they are sold. Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
331
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Posted - 2013.08.07 22:14:00 -
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Allyxy wrote:Ty for all your answers, but I'm not yet convinced that RS is on pair with other Faction BSs.
I tried in EFT all the combination suggested and other faction fitting but its always much worse than others ( e.g. Machariels, Vargur etc... and even Dominix).
It's just average and does not excel in anything.
It also explain why a mach bpc cost as three times and a RS bpc imho.
AY
Find me another BS that'll have (racial defences) 140k EHP, tank over 1200 DPS with a mere T2 tank, still put out over 800 DPS and is 100% cap stable I.e. zero cap use for /anything/
Can't tell me that's not excelling. |
Ejderdisi
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:54:00 -
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They are way overtanked thus not dieing to anything.
And actually domi after the recent buff, is just a better drone dps boat. With enough tank for lvl4s. So why pay isk for a faction ship which is actually worse than a domi.
Lvl5s and 10/10s are actually not rattlesnake exclusive but I guess PvE guys love their undying boats.
I would love to see dominix's tracking bonus on rattler for sure. Maybe losing resist bonus for more missile damage. It is not like you will die easily to lvl4s with 7 mids... |
Cage Man
249
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:54:00 -
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Ejderdisi wrote:They are way overtanked thus not dieing to anything.
And actually domi after the recent buff, is just a better drone dps boat. With enough tank for lvl4s. So why pay isk for a faction ship which is actually worse than a domi.
Lvl5s and 10/10s are actually not rattlesnake exclusive but I guess PvE guys love their undying boats.
I would love to see dominix's tracking bonus on rattler for sure. Maybe losing resist bonus for more missile damage. It is not like you will die easily to lvl4s with 7 mids...
With 4 x DDA's and T2 sentries you will find they both do the same dps. If you fit 2 omni's to the RS it will have the same drone optimal as the domi. It will have a better tank. You could argue that you could could put 2 omnis on the domi to increase range, and tracking, but that doesn't make it a better drone boat imo. The highs you could carried away an argue missiles over hybrids too if you want. In the end they both drone boats with the RS giving the same drone dps but with a much better tank, passive or active.
The thick plottens... |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:52:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Passive tank + mwd doesn't work so good.
Passive tank + MJD + Kinetic drones = Snipe crap from 80km, when they get under 20km recall, hit warp, poof, you're 100km away. Wait a minute for rats to turn around and get within 80km again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
324
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:49:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:Another huge benefit of a rattler is that it works extremely well (in PVE) when fitted with just t2 modules. Other top end PVE ships need a lot of expensive shiny stuff to work.
not at all. usually worst case is you need a bit of faction to make it all fit. faction damage mods are just nice to have, and anything on the tank is mostly pimping for the hell of it.
Annunaki soldier wrote:it not sub par. t2 rattlesnake can do whatever it wants at drone regions. any other bs there is sub par
also a rattle can solo 10/10 . other faction bs need at least 4x times or more the price . The mach bpc cost more because the demand is higher
Dominix for example were around 80m maybe less if you searched a bit. Look at them now that the demand has increased. The cruise lancher buff has made RS increasing as a demand for the market but still is nowhere near the machariel's . So its not right to judge the ships from the price they are sold.
odyssey added a lot to the domi build cost. heck the extra materials are greater than the base materials. mineral prices are sliding a bit, so roughly the domi should be about 2x what it used to cost.
Morrigan LeSante wrote:Find me another BS that'll have (racial defences) 140k EHP, tank over 1200 DPS with a mere T2 tank, still put out over 800 DPS and is 100% cap stable I.e. zero cap use for /anything/
Can't tell me that's not excelling.
honestly sounds pretty boring to me. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
331
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:48:00 -
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Boring? Perhaps. However the claim was it doesn't excel and that to me is a boat excelling at huge passive tanking for soaking up massive damage whilst still able to put out decent damage.
Would you want it in L4s? No. But there's more to eve than level 4s |
Ejderdisi
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:03:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:
With 4 x DDA's and T2 sentries you will find they both do the same dps. If you fit 2 omni's to the RS it will have the same drone optimal as the domi. It will have a better tank. You could argue that you could could put 2 omnis on the domi to increase range, and tracking, but that doesn't make it a better drone boat imo. The highs you could carried away an argue missiles over hybrids too if you want. In the end they both drone boats with the RS giving the same drone dps but with a much better tank, passive or active.
Well... that's what I am saying. Rattle has insane tank while having same dps with a tech 1 dominix. In the mean time that domi has good tank for anything PvE. Why do you need to bother to buy a faction BS when you can have same dps with better tracking.
Only reason is insane tank of rattle. Honestly no other pirate BS so close to any other tech 1 BS.
Mach is on par or better than marauders for PvE. Extremelly good PvP ship too. Bhaalgorn is the BS pilgrim. Ok not cloak but you got the point. Nothing tech 1 come close. Vindicator is a monster boat too. Nightmare crazy laser tracking and damage projection with only problem of it being em+thermal damage. Mostly compared with marauders.
Then looks like we have rattlesnake, coward guristas overtanked faction BS with needs to put in 2 omnis (as we all know tracking actually means dps) just to be equal with t1 BS. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
331
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:54:00 -
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Did you even read my post?
Also, there's more than level 4's out there. If you're only comparing that tiny, tiny isolated fragment of the game for your analysis ... then sure, it's 'sub-par' (and a situation only created by the [imho] massively out of whack Domi). But ALL pirate BS are also crap mining barges compared to a Mack...../sigh
Go take a lone T2 fit pirate battleship into a high end plex...let me know how that works out for you. Or a really neut heavy site. |
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
108
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:57:00 -
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Relative to to the other pirate faction battle ships with specific bonuses to their primary weapons systems that isn't clunky and annoying to manage there's a reason the rattlesnake's only worth 500 mill in Jita. Makes me sad as I keep getting rattlesnake BPC's. |
Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
18
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:39:00 -
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To understand why rattlesnake is so bad try this:
take an ishtar fit capable to solo up to DED 8 complexes with only T2 or cheap faction items and you'll and up easily with 550/600+ DPS (there are many around)
now try to do the same with the RS...
you'll end up with a similar tank/dps on paper (EFT) with double cost (or more) and when you try it in a real plex you'll die miserably since you'll have three times the signature radius than the Ishtar.
LM |
Ejderdisi
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:02:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Did you even read my post?
Also, there's more than level 4's out there. If you're only comparing that tiny, tiny isolated fragment of the game for your analysis ... then sure, it's 'sub-par' (and a situation only created by the [imho] massively out of whack Domi). But ALL pirate BS are also crap mining barges compared to a Mack...../sigh
Go take a lone T2 fit pirate battleship into a high end plex...let me know how that works out for you. Or a really neut heavy site.
Dude... what you are telling me high end plexes and even some neut heavy sites are actually bigger part of eve than lvl 4s.
What I am trying to say is make rattlesnake a fast pve and even pvp ship. not only a ship for blood plexes...
Aren't you getting bored with rattlesnake as it is... |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
331
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Posted - 2013.08.08 11:32:00 -
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I rarely fly it, there are better tools for my interests. But if my interests lay elsewhere then I'd use it. It's the best boat for certain things, that's all. |
Malak Alraheem
Kerguelen Station
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 01:01:00 -
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Finally got around to playing with one of these... good ship for when you are too drunk to mine. |
Govind
Parity Labs
19
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:26:00 -
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CCP: "Now what we've done with this next mission is create a rather tricky little scenario where, ooh-ho now get this, we've impeded your very ability to target! Now here's the kicker, you may be feeling a bit... drained when you realize that your capacitor has..."
Me: Rattlesnake, next! |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1455
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:01:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:Relative to to the other pirate faction battle ships with specific bonuses to their primary weapons systems that isn't clunky and annoying to manage there's a reason the rattlesnake's only worth 500 mill in Jita. Makes me sad as I keep getting rattlesnake BPC's.
Feel free to give them to me at zero cost if it really bothers you.
Wanna bet it doesn't bother you THAT much? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2186
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:15:00 -
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The Rattlesnake could be a nice ship, has a very decent tank and yes - it can do lvl IVs just fine (but then again, show me any BS that can't).
The Problem is the fact that outside some odd tinker tournament environment setups, its highslots are a complete waste - 4 damage unbonused bays just don't really cut it. You know... morons. |
Allyxy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:47:00 -
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Show me a passive RS fit that can tank better than a passive Ishtar with the same dps....
Show me a RS fit that can do the same DPS and tank of a Domi at the same cost...
Show me a decent RS PVP fit...
RS is overall very bad to be a pirate faction BShip.
My2 cents, Ay |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:57:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:The Rattlesnake could be a nice ship, has a very decent tank and yes - it can do lvl IVs just fine (but then again, show me any BS that can't).
The Problem is the fact that outside some odd tinker tournament environment setups, its highslots are a complete waste - 4 damage unbonused bays just don't really cut it.
Train drone skills. Did you know that flying battleship without good drone skills is a bad idea?
Allyxy wrote:RS is overall very bad to be a pirate faction BShip.
Train drone skills. |
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