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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:28:00 -
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Domer Pyle wrote:most eve players are generally pretty autistic. thus they don't like change. so they complained and now WiS has been put on a back burner :\
This is actually true.
Source:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/808727 and http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/video-game-addiction-common-in-autistic-boys/article/305070/#
for example.
And yes, they don't like change but why should the game suffer because of that?
I think WIS should have been released looooong ago and I don't understand why it's taking so long.
CCP is supposed to be a pretty large company and to fail to deliver WIS is just incredible. It's almost a Duke Nukem Forever case.
WIS isn't even a complicated thing to do, CCP just likes to set sail for fail a little bit too often. Teonosude. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1880
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:41:00 -
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It's not even remotely true. "Most autistic boys play video games" is a very long way from being the same thing as "most EVE players are autistic."
Allow me to illustrate. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:42:00 -
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Eraza wrote:if scale is the problem, then do it in small scale, let me invite other people into my hangar, give us a poker table somewhere, we could have plenty of fun with that, and it would not require massive hardware to run.
for example, to be honest, jita 4-4 would probably be laggy as **** for everyone
i was amongst those who were furious over WiS, it was not because i did not want WiS, but it was because it had been advertised as a HUGE new thing, and when it arrived, something like 10% of the things promised had been implemented.
balance fixes dont require the same developers as making new content does, you should see new innovative content, AND fixes for existing content, at the same time, not one or the other
as an analogy, think of cars, some people design cars, OTHER people maintain cars. noone stops designing new cars because engines need oil changed :)
How can scale be a problem on a game that supports 4000 player space battles? Sure, it'd lag with that many players, but there are so many ways of reducing lag. And you're right, it isn't always the same developers who fix things and make new content(for example, 3D modelers don't fix glitches, neither do texture designers) |
Ivy greene
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:47:00 -
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I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please.
Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc...
Thanks |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:49:00 -
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Ivy greene wrote:I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please. Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc... Thanks
Two questions.
1. Why should it appeal to "the masses"?
2. Why should we want it to appeal to "the masses"? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1882
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:52:00 -
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1: More mass appeal = more players = more money for CCP = more money invested in EVE and DUST = more new stuff, more little things, more improvements and a better game.
2: see 1.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Iskander Phoenix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:56:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ivy greene wrote:I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please. Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc... Thanks Two questions. 1. Why should it appeal to "the masses"? 2. Why should we want it to appeal to "the masses"?
Eve should "attract" the masses. But we all know its a niche game that will be suitably for only some people. But just because of it doesn't mean we need to be elitist. As the player base grows so does the experience for all of us. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:16:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:It's not even remotely true. "video game addiction is common in autistic boys" is a very long way from being the same thing as "most EVE players are autistic." Allow me to illustrate.
Did it hurt that much that you got called autistic? :P
I've spent many years in EVE and I'd say there's more autistic people in this game than in any other.
If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.
Knowing that, your picture is incorrect. Teonosude. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1883
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:27:00 -
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You keep saying "autistic" like it's an insult, as opposed to a diagnosis. Which is nonsense. It's like trying to insult a community by saying "most WoW players are generally pretty Basal Cell Carcinoma".
Anyway, how do you know? After four Fanfests and I-forget-how-many player meetups, and pushing eight years of just hanging out on TS or whatever, the conclusion I draw is that EVE players are a varied, generally friendly, generally well-adjusted group of individuals from a variety of walks of life. I'm sure that our community includes persons who are on the autistic spectrum. I have no idea whether that percentage is greater or lesser than that found in, say, Battlefield, CoD, LoL, DotA, WoT or.... I don't know, Barbie Horse Adventures. But I certainly don't think it's "most" or "a majority".
Pulling statistics out of your arse, leaping to logically inept conclusions and then acting all smug when somebody says "smells like bull chit to me" doesn't make you King of the Internet, dude. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
24
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:40:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote: If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.
I do not really trust this site's info: http://www.grabstats.com/statcategorymain.aspx?StatCatID=13
but found another too: http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26267-stats-claim-56-percent-of-us-households-have-modern-game-consoles
okay, 56% of US households have modern game consoles is stated there. Which would mean that it's actually less likey that an autist plays than an average (won't call it normal).
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1884
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:50:00 -
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I'm amazed that it's as low as 56%. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:00:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I'm amazed that it's as low as 56%.
I'm not. With the condition of the economy, I'm surprised it isn't lower. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1884
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:04:00 -
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the XBOX 360, PS3 and Wii all pre-date the global economic downturn. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:29:00 -
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New consoles don't. Neither does the new iphone, new pcs, new anything. |
Tron 3K
Three Thousand Industries
21
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:32:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:baltec1 wrote:We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game. My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.
Yea you obviously don't want something worthwhile in a game while as your actual avatar cause to mention APB is absurd. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:39:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:You keep saying "autistic" like it's an insult, as opposed to a diagnosis. Which is nonsense. It's like trying to insult a community by saying "most WoW players have generally had a Basal Cell Carcinoma".
Even if that were true, how is it insulting? And where exactly are you getting this information anyway? I'm pretty sure you don't have access to all our medical records.
After four Fanfests and I-forget-how-many player meetups, and pushing eight years of just hanging out on TS or whatever, the conclusion I draw is that EVE players are a varied, generally friendly, generally well-adjusted group of individuals from a variety of walks of life. I'm sure that our community includes persons who are on the autistic spectrum. I have no idea whether that percentage is greater or lesser than that found in, say, Battlefield, CoD, LoL, DotA, WoT or.... I don't know, Barbie Horse Adventures. But I certainly don't think it's "most" or "a majority".
Pulling statistics out of your arse, leaping to logically inept conclusions and then acting all smug when somebody says "smells like bull chit to me" doesn't make you King of the Internet, dude.
Actually, it does make me the King of the interwebs.
Any argument you post against that beyond this point is invalid. Teonosude. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1684
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:10:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote: If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.
Knowing that, your picture is incorrect.
Sorry, you made a serious flaw in your logic here that I just had to point out. It's a pet hate of mine that remains from my days studying research science.
43% of people with autism have a game console; tells us literally nothing about the rates of autism in people playing computer games. The statistic I believe your looking for is the number of people who have a games console that have autism...
I could use the same logic as you and say "90% of people with autism had the MMR vaccination". That may be true, but that has no reflection on the rate of autism in people who are vaccinated.
The following are two completely different statements.
43% of people playing computer games are autistic. 43% of autistic people play computer games.
Both the above statements have very little relation to each other statistically. The first ( according to your questionable reference) is true ( at least within the study group), the second is make belief, pulled out of thin air and based on no evidence. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
4
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:23:00 -
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Ivy greene wrote:I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please. Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc... Thanks
The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Barbies in Space.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1684
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:34:00 -
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jujumagumboo wrote: The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Micro-transactions or Greed-is-Good newsletters or not delivering on their promises.
We already covered this. Pretending your as stupid as you look doesn't help your argument. Also, fixed that for you. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Shedemei Silfar
Kid's Logistics Inc Moose Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:51:00 -
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Oh come on, WiS could be fun, it doesn't have to be just barbies in space. I for one would enjoy corp meetings in a space pub.
And besides, think of the great new forum threads we'll see... like:
"Dear CCP - please nerf Caldari B00bies - I lost billions AFK salvaging cuz they are too powerful."
"Dear CCP - can you please add gender neutral restrooms to stations so that my drag queen pilot can pretend pee in a prejudice free environment?"
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
746
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:16:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?
They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.
You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.
Its not that Eve is full of autistic players opposed to change, its that Eve players are afraid of women, who would be attracted to the game if WiS was implemented.
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Solhild wrote:Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap? They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS. You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.
I can imagine smuggling become a viable career path if it was implemented alongside WiS and was done properly. Then there would be a real black market. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
152
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:20:00 -
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...hears that Eve players don't want Barbies in Space, then looks at all the work that goes into forum pics...leaves confused. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:19:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Solhild wrote:Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap? They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS. You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets. Its not that Eve is full of autistic players opposed to change, its that Eve players are afraid of women, who would be attracted to the game if WiS was implemented. this thank you http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
BearUkraine
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
22
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:43:00 -
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CCP, please open the door. Start to make features step by step, from expansion to expansion, but make a 1st step - open the door. It is the great extension of the game which we love. Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority, instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique. So sad CCP. |
Ilia Tresnor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.08.10 02:39:00 -
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From the outside, it seems as if the main problem with a full WiS implementation, other than whiners, is how the engine is very resource intensive. It still warms my GPU just sitting on the couch. That definitely needs work before they open the door.
As to WiS lagging trade hubs, if they do it right surely WiS in a system could run on separate hardware in the cluster from FiS in the same system. Docking and undocking would transfer you between the two. Within a station, different areas and establishments could be segregated on different hardware as required, with limits on the number of characters who can enter an area at one time (space bouncers, anyone?). Limits could be raised as the software and hardware improve. On the client side they could degrade graphics quality if the hardware is overtaxed, or drop the frame rate.
There are various ways in-station PvP could be implemented, if it were. For example, the allowable level of violence could change with the system security level, so you're very safe in 1.0, but you can be shived anywhere at any time in 0.0, with a sliding scale in between. Or every station could have heavily-policed areas where characters are safe from anything more than a slap in the face, but you also can't do any shady business without getting arrested. Seedier areas would allow characters to do anything from trade in illicit goods to murder one another. You can call security and the paramedics - they may arrive before you bleed out, or they may not. Depends if they've been paid off, or if there's a fresh batch of donuts at the local ISKy Kreme franchise. Security within your CQ and hangar could depend on being in an NPC or player corp, system security level, how much you're willing to pay for it, etc. |
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
4
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Posted - 2013.08.10 02:54:00 -
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BearUkraine wrote:Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique.
You're surprised that a company that lives and dies by the number of people who pay it a subscription fee every month prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers? Really?
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
309
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Posted - 2013.08.10 03:00:00 -
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BearUkraine wrote:Lets open main page of EVE - www.eveonline.com and what can we see there? - "EVE Online is a Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Space Game - EVE Online" - this is SPACE Game, nothing said about "space ships", NOTHING . I want to remove Heth from power and put myself in charge of the Caldari empire and its powerful navy...
Make it so CCP so I can rule since it should be part of this "space" game. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:21:00 -
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Eraza wrote:... as an analogy, think of cars, some people design cars, OTHER people maintain cars. noone stops designing new cars because engines need oil changed :)
Something tells me they have a small operation over at CCP, though...
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
BearUkraine
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
24
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:13:00 -
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jujumagumboo wrote:BearUkraine wrote:Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique. You're surprised that a company that lives and dies by the number of people who pay it a subscription fee every month prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers? Really? I agree that you are right, but lets look from another side - do you realy think that WIS cant attract new people to eve in order to (at least) compensate decreasing of subscriptions of those who does not want to see WIS? I dont think so |
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