Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4147
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 07:01:00 -
[91] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:They run one of the tightest organizations in the game, and easily have the best run "large" organization. Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:one of the tightest organizations in the game Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:tightest organizations Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:organization I thought you were going to focus in on "tightest". There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11267
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 07:19:00 -
[92] - Quote
Caesarion Prime wrote:Again im New to the Game. Don't make my Corp responsible for what i say. They are all very friendly people.
High could support one Faction in low with isk, save trading routes and ships/weapons. But high sec is not on one board. We have to change that. High Sec should have one Alliance.
One alliance
One people
One leader
1 Kings 12:11
|
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11267
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 07:20:00 -
[93] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You want to beat goons?
In-game it is impossible.
It is with that attitude.
1 Kings 12:11
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8599
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 07:30:00 -
[94] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:One alliance
One people
One leader
The Unwashed Masses [CHAFF]
I just don't see any ~great highsec alliance~ working out because most of them hate the idea of playing by somebody else's rules, so they'll have stupid ideas like "democracy" and "high councils" implemented, not realizing why successful 0.0 alliances are autocracies Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3891
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 07:44:00 -
[95] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:tightest organizations Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:organization I thought you were going to focus in on "tightest".
That ship sailed when you let WI. in. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4147
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 08:10:00 -
[96] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:tightest organizations Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:organization I thought you were going to focus in on "tightest". That ship sailed when you let WI. in. There's this one thread on out forums right now... well you have a good point. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Prince Kobol
871
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 08:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Caesarion Prime wrote:There should be a High Sec Alliance against Low Sec. We are more we have more isk and we can smash you anytime. We the pubbies! Lowsec and nullsec are also full of pubbies.
Which soon will you have the honor of living next to and not being able to shoot them when they are renting space from you :) |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
432
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 09:08:00 -
[98] - Quote
Here's how it works. You want to be a Goon, the following applies:
(1) Go to work during the day, come home and log in to Eve to start work again. (2) Do whatever someone tells you to do in this internet spaceships game. (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game. (4) Sit around waiting for someone to tell you to do something in this internet spaceships game. (5) Be a massive douche to everyone else telling them how you're playing the video game "correctly".
Or
(1) Log in when you want. (2) Fly whatever you want. (3) Do whatever you want (within reason, obviously). (4) If a Goon tries to stop you, spoil his fun by going off to do something else. (5) Don't be a massive douche telling everyone else how to play the game.
There are good reasons why people don't join major blocks like Goons. Those that do, see point (5). |
baltec1
Bat Country
7590
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 09:40:00 -
[99] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote: (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game.
This is where I always go wrong. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8599
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 10:39:00 -
[100] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:Here's how it works. You want to be a Goon, the following applies:
(1) Go to work during the day, come home and log in to Eve to start work again. (2) Do whatever someone tells you to do in this internet spaceships game. (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game. (4) Sit around waiting for someone to tell you to do something in this internet spaceships game. (5) Be a massive douche to everyone else telling them how you're playing the video game "correctly".
nope
on #5 though, we don't tell them they're playing incorrectly, we just flog them incessantly Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
|
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
453
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 11:04:00 -
[101] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:Here's how it works. You want to be a Goon, the following applies:
(1) Go to work during the day, come home and log in to Eve to start work again. (2) Do whatever someone tells you to do in this internet spaceships game. (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game. (4) Sit around waiting for someone to tell you to do something in this internet spaceships game. (5) Be a massive douche to everyone else telling them how you're playing the video game "correctly". If you truly believe this is how it is then I pity you. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
433
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 11:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: If you truly believe this is how it is then I pity you.
I know 5 is correct, at least. Not sure about the others.
|
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
453
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 11:17:00 -
[103] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: If you truly believe this is how it is then I pity you.
I know 5 is correct, at least. Not sure about the others. 5 is something some people do, it's not a requirement for joining goons. The rest is nonsense. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3892
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 11:26:00 -
[104] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Victoria Sin wrote: (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game.
This is where I always go wrong.
But now they're asking you to fly Megathrons. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
453
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 11:35:00 -
[105] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:baltec1 wrote:Victoria Sin wrote: (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game.
This is where I always go wrong. But now they're asking you to fly Megathrons. Nobody needs to be asked to fly a Megathron. Megathrons RULE! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
433
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 12:03:00 -
[106] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: 5 is something some people do, it's not a requirement for joining goons.
It surely is. At least every Goon I've ever spoken to on TS has been a sanctimonious ****.
|
Aaron Kyoto
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
6
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 12:38:00 -
[107] - Quote
Caesarion Prime wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Caesarion Prime wrote:There should be a High Sec Alliance against Low Sec. We are more we have more isk and we can smash you anytime. We the pubbies! Lowsec and nullsec are also full of pubbies. *Casting cat herding* It failed. **** this ****... High Sec has looked upon this war long enough. Kill Jita 2.0 will come and noone in High Ses will care about all the loses. I agree that High Sec are Carebears. But the money and the Power is in High Sec. They just don't know it. One hughe Highsec Alliance would destroy everything in Low.
Until a twelve man corp wardecs them and their 10,000 strong hisec alliance doesn't undock. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
265
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 12:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Why does everybody want to defeat them? I think they're pretty nice. They keep teaching me more and more about this game. I must be doing something wrong. If you are learning from the goonies then yes....yes you are. |
Joss56
Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 12:49:00 -
[109] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote: (1) Log in when you want. (2) Fly whatever you want. (3) Do whatever you want (within reason, obviously). (4) If a Goon tries to stop you, spoil his fun by going off to do something else. (5) Don't be a massive douche telling everyone else how to play the game.
There are good reasons why people don't join major blocks like Goons. Those that do, see point (5).
1-whenever I can, having a life/job and a family is still not a problem for me after 2 years
2-indeed I can and no one will tell me not to, I will get some form of reimbursement if my ship goes booum, if I want full SRP then I bring fleet fits and ships, I see no problem here but options so where's the problem?
3-I do, but why would you join a large group to play solo or not willing to put some effort? - common sense someone??
4-no need for this kind of childish behavior see point 3, and if he tries harder I can kill it and mock him in local then tell Vile Rat, no one will give a rats ass about.
5-It's part of the game word-ganking other players when you outnumber them and run for your life when it goes wrong for you, that's how it works for everyone in null and everyone plays that game
Your final comment is based on false assumptions or exceptional behaviors that always happen and exist in whatever large group of players. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7592
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 12:58:00 -
[110] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:baltec1 wrote:Victoria Sin wrote: (3) Fly whatever someone tells you to fly in this internet spaceships game.
This is where I always go wrong. But now they're asking you to fly Megathrons.
I ended up in a navy mega. I'm hopeless. |
|
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3650
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 13:26:00 -
[111] - Quote
5 is something people keep repeating, but most don't actually understand what's behind this. Not actually talking about the goons, they are just a good example.
It pretty much boils down to those who accept the reality of the game and its possibilities and those that don't. Some ignore them, some deny them, some just need to be woken up. I have met people from these three groups, so far.
There are people ignoring the possibilities of the game, believing that sandbox means they can play however they want, but that's proven to be bullshit. These people ignore that their actions have consequences and that others have the ability to deny them their playstyle completely, showing that one *can't* just simply play however he wants.
It's a law of nature, i guess.
Like that guy who ran a big mouth, got wardecced because of it and then had to realise that he can not just act/behave/play however he wants, because he'll get his ass kicked for that. This is a great experience actually, because it teaches that life has consequences. They either learn that they play as ant and stay humble, or grow above that and gain strength.
There are indeed groups that see a bigger extent of the possibilities and the goons are one of them. Of course they have a leader who gives them direction, but the state of mind spreads throughout the group.
It's a game. Do whatever you want, but willfully include others and accept that there are social laws that dictate your amount of freedom.
The New Order is another group. Do whatever you want, but willfully include others. (= tank your barge, don't be afk) Victims ignore social laws and get punished for that.
Some people like to ignore the fact that might makes right and those are also the people who whine about being forced into something, simply showing that they play the game the "wrong" way.
Yes, now i went there and it's completely true. Play however you want, within the degree of freedom others allow you to play. If you believe you have any rights in this game, that go beyond everybody else, then you're wrong. (delusional?)
Those who believe that playstyles are forced onto them ignore the fact that those who realize they can have influence *will* have influence, because that's the reality of the game.
I don't force my playstyle onto afk people when i blow them up. It's ridiculous to believe something like that. If you think somebody forces you, you don't understand that your reality is connected with everybody elses and that you are only allowed to play the way you want, as long as others approve of it.
If you behave stupidly, you will get punished for it.
Most people i have encountered understood a reallife equivalent. If you walk around through the bronx in an expensive armani suit wearing a golden rolex, you will get killed. That's Eve.
To come to an end...
The right way to play is not set in stone, but when people ignore the reality of the game, their playstyle is "wrong" regarding how the game works.
The end. Flame away, ignorant masses.... |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2079
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 13:46:00 -
[112] - Quote
frankly, if EVE doesn't inspire you to read Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, you're not really playing the game. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
|
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1044
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 14:13:00 -
[113] - Quote
Andski wrote:Malcanis wrote:One alliance
One people
One leader The Unwashed Masses [CHAFF] I just don't see any ~great highsec alliance~ working out because most of them hate the idea of playing by somebody else's rules, so they'll have stupid ideas like "democracy" and "high councils" implemented, not realizing why successful 0.0 alliances are autocracies Yes, this is a problem. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4148
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 15:26:00 -
[114] - Quote
Telegram Sam wrote:Andski wrote:Malcanis wrote:One alliance
One people
One leader The Unwashed Masses [CHAFF] I just don't see any ~great highsec alliance~ working out because most of them hate the idea of playing by somebody else's rules, so they'll have stupid ideas like "democracy" and "high councils" implemented, not realizing why successful 0.0 alliances are autocracies Yes, this is a problem. Democracies take a lot of RL time to manage. And they only work up to a group of maybe 20 people. Once it gets past the "everybody knows everybody else" size, you pretty much have to ditch decision by consultation and consensus. Does this alliance have more assets than TEST to steal? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8601
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 15:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
Telegram Sam wrote:Yes, this is a problem. Democracies take a lot of RL time to manage. And they only work up to a group of maybe 20 people. Once it gets past the "everybody knows everybody else" size, you pretty much have to ditch decision by consultation and consensus.
Yeah, even the GSF directorate has some 60 members and we don't even pretend to be a "legislative body." We all have our own purviews. Democracy in any form is simply incompatible with what is essentially a military organization, i.e. every alliance in the game that is even remotely of any consequence. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4149
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 15:41:00 -
[116] - Quote
Andski wrote:Telegram Sam wrote:Yes, this is a problem. Democracies take a lot of RL time to manage. And they only work up to a group of maybe 20 people. Once it gets past the "everybody knows everybody else" size, you pretty much have to ditch decision by consultation and consensus. Yeah, even the GSF directorate has some 60 members and we don't even pretend to be a "legislative body." We all have our own purviews. Democracy in any form is simply incompatible with what is essentially a military organization, i.e. every alliance in the game that is even remotely of any consequence. Doesn't razor or FA do something like that There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2583
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 16:05:00 -
[117] - Quote
Caesarion Prime wrote:Read Niccolo Machiavelli. He was the best politic strategist of his time. The Mittani doesn't only sound like him in his "Updates" But he follows his Laws step by step.
If you want to know what the Mittani does next go ahead read Machiavellis Books and Statements. Meta is his second Name. He was the best Strategic, Political and Millitary Mind of his time. The Mittani not only follows his Words about Metapolitics but , if you listen to the updates he uses the exact same Words.
And they work. The Mittani is no genious of some Kind. He just uses Machiavellian theorie in a Game. I heavily suggest every Leader of a major Faction, Alliance or Corp to read those Books.
Learn those strategies and give your Thinktank time to counter it. If you don't have a Thinktank !!! Create one. !!!
I'm just a newbie but i wonder why noone has seen those obvious analogies?....-
Weird......well have fun and fly save.
I've fought against goons since my very 1st day stepping into null sec (hell, even before that, when i was there at the start of faction warfare, goons would come in and shoot both sides lol). I still laugh when I tell people " yep, Goons and TEST were tight, thicker than thieves, then I joined test and BLAM, 2 weeks later, goons and TEST are shooting at each other :) ". So my anti-goon credentials are well verified.
And i still don't see why people like this Caesarion Prime feel the need to Ride Mitten's jock every chance they get.
I showed Mittens what I thought of him and his Goons every chance I could...by SHOOTING at them with bullets, repeatedly, while flying ships named "John Birch Society" and "Real Men Vote Republican". I'm willing to bet that 80% of the people who post goon hate threads on GD don't have a single goon kill on any killboard anywhere.
You don't have to read Machiavelli to beat Mittens and co, you have to SHOOT at them and pry enough carebears from their high sec isk fountains long enough to also shoot at them. That's how it's done, son. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2583
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 16:15:00 -
[118] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You want to beat goons?
In-game it is impossible.
It is with that attitude.
I remember being in Atlas when we were told that Red allaince would NEVER lose C-J6 and Insmother.
I remember being in Raiden when we were told the Northern Coalition was so powerful no one could kill it, not even the Russians.
I will remember this thread when Goons fall.
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4149
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 16:31:00 -
[119] - Quote
Forum snipers don't usually accomplish much.
I note that you won't be remembering being in N3 and being told that your coalition exists to destroy GSF. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8601
|
Posted - 2013.08.16 17:43:00 -
[120] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You want to beat goons?
In-game it is impossible.
It is with that attitude. I remember being in Atlas when we were told that Red alliance would NEVER lose C-J6 and Insmother. I remember being in Raiden when we were told the Northern Coalition was so powerful no one could kill it, not even the Russians. I will remember this thread when Goons fall. I will also remember how these forum sniper had no part in Goon's demise.
to be fair, both atlas and raiden are dead
yet here we are Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |