Why don't you just make the scatter loot, when looted, just drop to cargo cans when there isn't enough cargo space? That way if there isn't enough space, the players can always come back after offloading?

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this explains the reports from some wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping. Hull sections are actually appearing in the scatter containers twice as often as they appeared in the containers pre-Odyssey, but many people attempting to loot them are doing so with less than 100m3 of free cargo bay.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

Why not just remove the loot scatter mechanic altogether? It's not fun nor compelling. The containers have already been parsed out and ranked. It seriously feels like a penalty to a "successful" hack, which is ostensibly where the game play is in hacking. When hacking is successful, open a loot window. Problem solved.

+1 FOR scattering mechanic. It makes a nice extra challenge and considering how much isk a person can make from the loot, I feel that it is quite appropriate for there to be another level of difficulty involved.

Well, considering the penalty for 2 failed hacks in a row on most hacks is that the container explodes and you get nothing, why should there be an additional penalty phase when you actually succeed at hacking?

Confirming you have never tried hacking a can in w-space. For a member of SSC, you really should look into w-space a little more often before posting about it on the forums. W-Space cans do not explode when you fail hacking, regardless of how many times you fail.

-B aalzamon

Confirming you have never tried hacking a can in w-space. For a member of SSC, you really should look into w-space a little more often before posting about it on the forums. W-Space cans do not explode when you fail hacking, regardless of how many times you fail.

-B aalzamon

Why is the cargo holds of T2 covert op ships smaller than their T1 counterpart?

Why not just remove the loot scatter mechanic altogether? It's not fun nor compelling. The containers have already been parsed out and ranked. It seriously feels like a penalty to a "successful" hack, which is ostensibly where the game play is in hacking. When hacking is successful, open a loot window. Problem solved.

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this explains the reports from some wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping. Hull sections are actually appearing in the scatter containers twice as often as they appeared in the containers pre-Odyssey, but many people attempting to loot them are doing so with less than 100m3 of free cargo bay.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

I do not do data or relic sites any more since Odyssey, the new mechanics are both tedious and annoying and the rewards are not there.

Thanks for the post, Fozzie.

Do you have any plans to iterate on the game design itself? As you can see from this thread and many more on here, there is a lot of dislike for the current mechanics.

I hope that CCP still has staff playing in wormholes and can see / hear the dislike of the current system on coms. It really makes for tedious gameplay.

+1

Thank you fozzie for looking into this.

Thank you Chitsa very much for getting this brought to the attention of CCP so quickly.

Thank you Fozzie for looking at this as well.

I would like to share my similar view as my corpmates that even with 200+ m3 of space in ships I haven't picked any up myself. But will continue testing in the meantime. Should hull sections show up in a cargo scan of the containers?

Fozzie, is there any chance that you're also looking into reducing the number of containers that need to be hacked? As compared to k-space exploration sites, the effort / reward ratio is way out of balance. Having to sit through hacking over a dozen cans gets very, very old, to the point where people just don't want to do the sites anymore.

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this contributes to some of the reports from wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping (although it isn't the only cause). We are continuing to investigate the other causes and will hopefully find a solution soon.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

IDK about it being space.

NEVER filled up cargo to within 100m3 yet.

Still don't see the hull drops.

What I do see is that UI lacks feedback. In time sensitive gathering operations this leads to spamming mouse clicks.
I assume spammed mouse clicks result in a lot of failed collection attempts.

Worse it looks like collection process actually does stall at times. Often you get bigger selected item symbol but the ship neither tractors the item in nor moves toward the item to scoop it up. I've never seen discussion on how to cause the tractoring vs approach and scooping. (I do have tractors on ship but I get the impression that tractoring of collected items is unrelated since there is no actaul target selection.) So really users need some feedback as to how to stimulate expedited collection of items once selected.

Perhaps you should put scatter items in the overview or at least be normal targeted items if properly selected for recovery so that users have 100% confidence in tractoring items aroudn instead of trying approach (which also seems to be purely a result of spamming clicks).

You mean you don't like huddling up with your corpmates around a can to grab a small can on a cluttered screen only to get that piece of coal when a hack is "successful"??? :)

I have records of all the loot that was collected by the E-UNI Wormhole Campus from before and after the Odyssey change.

I can confirm that not a single Hull Section (Wreck, Malfunctioning or Intact) has been collected by us since the Odyssey change. I am having trouble believing that all the Hull Sections that dropped were not looted because of lacking cargo space . . . That seems like a statistical impossibility.

Disclaimer: We usually farm a C3 wormhole and yes hull sections dropped rarely before the odyssey change they still dropped. Now we never see them.

Regarding the Use of Cargo scanners : It has been our experience that cargo scanning is unreliable as they don't give you the full content of the can just a partial list.

did get an intact hull out of a C5 site a week or two ago. So they do drop (but I don't remember the site).

I found the mechanics tedious, especially that one person is busy with the minigame, and the others just have to wait. Also, I believe when two people click the same can it (usually?) ends up not being looted by either but disappears.

liar.

stuff.

Speaking as a noob to all this I found I actually enjoyed it at first. I even discovered a way to successfully hack first time, every time (but sometimes its random like all this stuff). And if you're aware of the names of the containers as they scatter you can quickly ignore all the ones containing things like coal. But there is a knack to it, and if you're not patient enough to learn all of the tricks needed I can see people easily getting fed up with it.

Regarding working in teams - I've taken my friend with me to hoover up all the cans I've missed, but to be honest his gains are minimal and I found I get just the same results working alone. Perhaps this is different in WH's? He rarely hacks sites because as has been said on this thread, he finds it annoying these days.

However....if there's anything I'd like to see improve is the odd blip during scanning when it picks up a site that's in the middle of being looted by another player. As the scanning narrows down and pinpoints the location the signal goes up and down as the other player works their way around the site. I'd like to see it remain strong till the other player has finished the whole site, or weak till the other player has left. Not wishy washy as it is now. Perhaps its just me?

I'd like to eventually venture into WH space, but I'm waiting till my skills allow me to survive longer. Till then I'll read folks posts on threads such as this and hope I live long enough to find a sleeper site before everyone finds me.

And Data site loot in ALL wormhole classes is a joke. So bad now after factoring in time for the mini-game that I think mining is better ISK per hour

Hey everyone. Team Kuromaku has identified and fixed a problem that was preventing the hull sections from dropping in many cases. The fix will be deployed in Odyssey 1.1 and is on Sisi now if you want to investigate for yourselves and let us know what you think.

I do not do data or relic sites any more since Odyssey, the new mechanics are both tedious and annoying and the rewards are not there.

This. So much this! Data sites are worthless even in 0.0!

Yes, don't mind the free datacores and ME0 T2 BPCs

I can't comment on w-space sites. But since me and some old bros have been discussing doing a w-space venture, this is important to know.

As for the scatter mechanic, you folks do realize that the various types of cans have different loot tables, right? Identify which give the good stuff (parts and data cans are generally good choices) and go for those first. Failing that, bring a bro, alternate hacking attempts, and then hoover it all up.

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this contributes to some of the reports from wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping (although it isn't the only cause). We are continuing to investigate the other causes and will hopefully find a solution soon.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

:Update August 23rd: Another significant issue with talocan drops has been identified and fixed.