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Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:43:00 -
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What is the best route to maximize fun and profit as a young player? . I have people telling me to go mine,.. did it in a venture and it was... dull. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:04:00 -
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Well this is either a troll or the people advising you are not very nice.
Faction warfare is a good mix of fun PvP and ISK. . Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:16:00 -
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Will have to do some research on Factional Warefare then,.. not a troll XD
Any other suggestions or is that one of my only options at this time? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
541
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:17:00 -
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What to do in EVE: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
If you don't enjoy mining, don't mine. Find something else in the huge list of possibilities that you do enjoy. |
Sam Wessette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:22:00 -
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Piracy is both fun and profitable |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:23:00 -
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Just trying to figure out the community's overall view in what is a good median for fun and profit as a new player. The skill time seems so broad that I would rather try something that would be fun and profitable than wasting my time on the droll aspects that I will have no use for down the line. Given that maybe mining gets better?? |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:24:00 -
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Sam Wessette wrote:Piracy is both fun and profitable
Tell me more about this piracy? What is a pirate in eve? |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:24:00 -
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Stacks of options, starting and ending with PvP. DON'T get into missions - they really suck.
Faction warfare is in lowsec (dangerous) but has a good blend of the ability to find good fights and the ability to make ISK. Best of all it is perfectly fine to start with T1 frigates which makes it affordable.
You should find a noob friendly corp. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:26:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:Just trying to figure out the community's.....
**** the community, find something YOU enjoy doing.
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Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:28:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:Sam Wessette wrote:Piracy is both fun and profitable Tell me more about this piracy? What is a pirate in eve?
Well in the simplest form you stalk faction warfare regions fighting the people in the faction corps. Pretty much what I do a lot of the time.
Hard to make a living from until you are experienced. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:29:00 -
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So factional warefare, do I have to fight for caldari since I am a caldari pilot? What is the best way to find a corp? |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:31:00 -
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The problem here is with the question itself because simply said we can not judge what you find fun.
State what stuff you like doing and then someone can say what suits best for that direction.
PVE PVP Markets Scamming
Those are the bases basically and each ahve their own subparts in eve.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:32:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Tobias Cree wrote:Sam Wessette wrote:Piracy is both fun and profitable Tell me more about this piracy? What is a pirate in eve? Well in the simplest form you stalk faction warfare regions fighting the people in the faction corps. Pretty much what I do much of the time. Hard to make a living from until you are experienced.
haha this thread seems to be on two sides, How would I make isk killing them? bounties or their loot? |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:34:00 -
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flakeys wrote:The problem here is with the question itself because simply said we can not judge what you find fun.
State what stuff you like doing and then someone can say what suits best for that direction.
PVE PVP Markets Scamming
Those are the bases basically and each ahve their own subparts in eve.
I think most PVE is boring fighting a script Markets ... meeeh lol that might involve some math ay? Scamming.. don't know if I have the heart for it So.. PVP? :) |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:34:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:Zappity wrote:Tobias Cree wrote:Sam Wessette wrote:Piracy is both fun and profitable Tell me more about this piracy? What is a pirate in eve? Well in the simplest form you stalk faction warfare regions fighting the people in the faction corps. Pretty much what I do much of the time. Hard to make a living from until you are experienced. haha this thread seems to be on two sides, How would I make isk killing them? bounties or their loot?
Loot mostly. Check this thread for starter corps: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=222444 Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:38:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Tobias Cree wrote:Zappity wrote:Tobias Cree wrote:Sam Wessette wrote:Piracy is both fun and profitable Tell me more about this piracy? What is a pirate in eve? Well in the simplest form you stalk faction warfare regions fighting the people in the faction corps. Pretty much what I do much of the time. Hard to make a living from until you are experienced. haha this thread seems to be on two sides, How would I make isk killing them? bounties or their loot? Loot mostly. Check this thread for starter corps: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=222444
I will give it a read, at work right now so i may be a bit slow with my response |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
80
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:16:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:Just trying to figure out the community's overall view in what is a good median for fun and profit as a new player. The skill time seems so broad that I would rather try something that would be fun and profitable than wasting my time on the droll aspects that I will have no use for down the line. Given that maybe mining gets better?? In my opinion? No. There's some that love mining... So long as others are doing it with them. Anything is fun once it becomes a social activity.
Related to that, I'd suggest joining a corp soon. This game frankly stinks without em. Things get a lot better when you've got others to discuss and argue with, joke with, gain experience from, scheme with.
Similarly, joining a corp also increases your profit and fun opportunities. With allies, many options open up - All you have to do is think of them. It might also open up access to new space, like low-sec or null-sec. I'd venture to guess that most low- or null- dwellers see high-sec as a terribly boring place that they would prefer to avoid.
And regarding low- and null-, there's inherent risk involved.... And risk is fun. Safety is boring. Fact.
Finally, I have fun and make gobs of profit by working the markets. Yes, it involves math and spreadsheets, but as a direct result of that extra effort, I make enough money to fund many PVP players' losses at once. My success this venture is part of what made it fun. I don't spend drudgery time killing rats or mining. Instead, I tend to log in when there's other forms of fun to be had, such as 6VDT and Asakai. |
Sam Wessette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:19:00 -
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Don't make the mistake of conflating Piracy and PvP
You can only make money doing PvP if you have the skill points and money (and actual irl skill) to be good at it.
But you can join a corps and ransom a mining barge with only 2 hours under your belt |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
775
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:36:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote: Given that maybe mining gets better??
nope. it doesn't, sorry.
like most things in RL, doing the same thing in game gets repetitive, aka boring. so combine Missions with some type of pvp combat, or missions & exploration etc.
FW, & RVB are both new pilot friendly and quickly accessible Exploration takes a little skill training, but is also quickly accessible Missions are new pilot friendly, and they progress to better pay outs over time
Incursions are a possibility down the line, (c. 6-12 months of skill training) most incursion FCs will be looking for a solid T2 fit Faction BS or Logistic Cruiser which means you have a while in training times before you can start looking there. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
541
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:40:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:Just trying to figure out the community's overall view in what is a good median for fun and profit as a new player.
The community's view is irrelevant. What some find fun others hate. I know people who love spending hours studying the market, buying, selling, etc. I hate that. I enjoy the research and logistics involved with complex manufacturing, others will think I'm insane.
Try stuff out. If you enjoy it great, if you don't, try something else.
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Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 12:48:00 -
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hmm, what all does playing the market involve? and as for pvp what is a good race set to focus on? I suppose the pvp questing each person has their own view but any advice on what to avoid or is everything about the same? |
Sam Wessette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 14:17:00 -
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Playing the market usually involves moving to a trade hub like Jita then buying stuff low and selling it high.
it can also involve hauling cargo between regions for the arbitrage oportunities but you would probably be hiring someone else to do that so there isn't much flying around involved in trading.
could get boring |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.08.10 14:37:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:hmm, what all does playing the market involve? and as for pvp what is a good race set to focus on? I suppose the pvp questing each person has their own view but any advice on what to avoid or is everything about the same? You called it. The 'truth' is as diverse as individuals.
But on the other hand, there's also the game as it's creators intended it, and balanced it: Where every ship is(in theory) good at what it's supposed to be good at. From that standpoint, it's more a matter of correctly interpreting a ship's 'intention' when you read it's stats and bonuses. You could take an augorer out to kill rats.... But, as the hull bonus might suggest, it's 'meant' to be used a bit differently. And that intention might or might not be beneficial, depending on the situation. The above statement will be true of every ship.
There are(fortunately) very few 'bad' ships, and of those few, they're usually only bad when you get super deep into the nuts and bolts. Meaning that casually, they might not actually be that bad, just not perfectly balanced.
I'm going off on tangent. Okay race. If you're talking about race as it relates to starting characters: There's no bad race, or good race. They're all an un-bonused blank slate with a few pennies worth of SP tacked on. Anyone can(and should) do anything.
If you're talking about race as it relates to ships: Again, they're all good, if you properly identify how they're 'supposed to be flown,' or are clever enough to find a weird-yet-awesome fringe strategy. The developers work hard to try and make sure every race has attractive strengths and competitive 'doctrines.'
In my opinion, you're better off deciding what paradigm sounds funnest to you. I'll leave it to someone else to describe what each of the 4 faction's ship doctrine could be described as.
But yeah, in other words, its a style question. Because the substance part is pretty much even.
Oh wait. There's one more criterion to make the decision, actually: Your corporation. What ships do they want? Train for that.
RE: The Market!
Playing the market requires a willingness to do homework. Hehe, and you're doing that already, aren't you? But the market requires a bit MORE homework, in the form of tending spreadsheets, or busting out the calculator occasionally, or utilizing a 3rd party market-organization app. The SP requirements are minimal-to-none; the only real SP need is for a few market slots, so that you can make more buy and sell orders.
The real challenge is in getting acquainted with the market: - The items, where they come from, where they go? And getting acquainted with the people: - under what circumstances are people willing to pay more for my item, under what circumstance are they willing to sell an item under-value?
One common starting point is to figure out all to 'good' items that your local rats drop, find a mission hub, and set up Buy-Orders for those items. You then haul your truckload of items to a market hub like Amarr or Jita, and sell them for more than you got them. Through this scheme - one of many possibilities - the gobs of money comes via volume - You make a little profit on TONS of items.
So that's one place to start considering. But hey, its not for everyone. As Elena Thiesant above notes, I'm very weird for enjoying it. You might not be weird. Or perhaps you're a different breed of weird, ala Elena's preference.
But for reference, out in Null-sec, where I live, I suspect the majority people make their money by blowing up NPC rats. Perhaps that means of profit represents the norm. |
Tobias Cree
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:15:00 -
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Solai that was a good read, thankyou. I might give the market a try. I've been good at this kind of thing in the past but I cant say I enjoyed it the way you do. So maybe get those basic trade skills up then work on some PvP skills.
Thanks :P |
DougnMT
Covert Agenda
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:55:00 -
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Tobias,
Really you need to try a few different things to find what works for you. My first year I spent mostly running missions as a group with my first corp or solo if no one else was about. This was fun for me due to the highly social way that we ran them together. As a miner solo mining I found to be profitable but again when as a corp we used to do weekly events towards a goal it was good time as we would plan other events and in general have a nice time being social.
PvP in general is a lot of fun when it's happening, just make sure you find a group who can plan events and have folks show up on time, that is about the biggest issue with PvP I have found is the amount of time one spends sitting around waiting for the fleet to get going.
Invention, bounty hunting, exploration..... find a good corp that is willing to let you do it all is the best advice I have for you.
FYI we are recruiting. |
Lia Danna
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:27:00 -
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Anything fun in this game involves other people, and many of the most enjoyable/profitable activities lay completely outside of the 'boundaries' of the game.
For example, I know this fellow who makes most of his money selling 'protection' to miners; there is no game mechanic for doing this. He built a reputation, and capitalized on it.
It's a bit of cliche' but eve truly is a sandbox; go out there and make your own way. Build your own castle, or stomp other castles to the ground. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1376
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:47:00 -
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Tobias Cree wrote:What is a pirate in eve? I get called a pirate all the time, but I don't call myself a pirate and I don't think any of the people who consider themselves pirates would think I'm a pirate either.
What a pirate is and what constitutes piracy in EVE are largely subjective, what different people think constitutes a pirate can vary tremendously and all of the opinions are equally valid.
In a very general sense a pirate can be described as a person who seeks fun or profit at the expense of others by means of violence, trickery or extortion. |
Luke Jeschamin
Order of Paradox
11
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:12:00 -
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Short answer: try a bit of everything and see what you enjoy, and do that!
Long answer: a few years ago I played EVE for a few months. I made the mistake of mining/probing, and I became so bored to tears that I stopped subscribing and dropped off. Now that I have come back I have tried to avoid that, and I have a ton of fun! I enjoy combat missioning (PVE) and salvaging. I joined an awesome corp, and its been great. After a tough day at work there is something so satisfying about making NPC ships go "pop" and then looting their wrecks for pure profit, you know?
Anywho, try everything. Play the SOE arc and get a taste of the "world". Join a corp which will mentor/train newbies. Die a few times (the first time you get podded is the scariest). Just enjoy everything EVE has to offer, and see what you enjoy.
If you would like any help, advice, or someone to just talk to, fell free to message me! |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:47:00 -
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As others have said try a bit of everything, or the things that sounds interesting to you. Everyone is different and the things one person love you might hate, and then you also have to consider that you might love/hate a certain aspect of the game now (in your case mining by the sounds of it) and find that you feel completely different a year or two from now.
Try to find a corp that can give you the chance to explore several aspects of EVE, such as EVE Uni but if you want to join a more specialized corp you can look over this guide that might help you know what to look for and what to avoid.
Good luck Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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