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Krey Banther
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:57:00 -
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I am starting to use probes. The EVElopedia article and the example video show red circles, dots and probe sphere highlights to indicate which probes see the signature. I am not seeing any red circles, highlights or dots. I get 2 signatures and click on each but there is no change in the probe display. How do I activate the highlighting feature?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.28 01:10:00 -
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I don't think there's an option to turn the highlight, circles and dots on or off. I think they are always on by default.
However, I have noticed that sometimes if the camera view is zoomed out to encompass the whole system, those graphics won't show. Usually zooming the camera view in will show them. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 01:25:00 -
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If you GÇÿseeGÇÖ something in your system scanner window it has either been detected by one or more of your probes or / and it has been detected by the scanner itself and not the probes.
If it is the latter it will show in your scanner window as a 100% GÇÿhitGÇÖ the first time round. It may also be GÇÿseenGÇÖ by the probes if it is within their coverage, but will not if they do not cover its location.
If you click on such a location (e.g. a cosmic anomaly in a w-system) it may not show as a dot / circle / sphere in the main window of your scanner graphics. It will (usually) be there somewhere and you may have to zoom in or out to see it, but it does not always show as red dot / circle / sphere in association with your probes.
ThatGÇÖs one possible explanation for what youGÇÖve described. No doubt there are many others too
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Krey Banther
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2011.10.28 04:50:00 -
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I just spent 3 hours zeroing in on a signal. I got the probe size down to 2.0 AU. Then I moved the probes around so that I could pick up the signal with any selected probe. Then I overlapped two probes and the signal strength went up. BUT - no red circle.
In the very nice video I clearly see the rings develop and help to find the signature. I NEVER get the slightest red anywhere.
I had some of my corp mates helping me to no avail.
Something could be wrong with my display setup although EVERYTHING else works fine. For example red X marks show up on the last icon of each probe in the '"probes in space" list.
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:04:00 -
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3-hours = you are probably doing something wrong, but I can't work out what from your description. How, exactly, are you seroing down on them as you suggest?
Either mail details, step-by-step, to me ingame or post them here if you prefer. I'll try sort thru if I can. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.28 07:22:00 -
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I hate being that guy, but that video really shows how to be INEFFICIENT at probing. Personally I only use 4 probes because I know I can pin down any cosmic signature with it, while having my screen less clustered thus easier to read.
Let me give you a few pointers on how I do it:
1 (optional) : Figure out where in the system the signatures are located. Do this by making sure every cluser of planets are covered by probes. If the system is HUGE this might mean that you need to drop more than 4 probes.
If you can cover the system with 4x 32 AU probes put them in formation and perform a scan. How to align the probes can be seen in this screenshot:
http://i.imgur.com/tBXAb.jpg
The 5th probe on the side is there to show how I align them. Notice the outer circle in the probes scan area? I Place that circle directly on top of the place I use as center while probing to align the probes.
Down to the results:
As you can see I have 3 signatures in the wormhole I'm currently probing. One of them are located to the most "northern" planet, while the other two are red spheres. Since all my probes cover the center I would have gotten hits like the one in the "north" if the two remaining signatures were in the middle, this tells me that both of them have to be in the "south".
2 : Now to narrowing down the signatures, I decide to take the two in the "south" first. I hold shift and drag one of the probes to keep the alignment and place the center over the "south" planet.
I then resize all my probes to 8AU (since no signature can spawn far away enough from a planet to not be covered by 4x 8AU probes. This will leave your probes far apart, so hold down your left Alt-key and drag one of the probes towards the center until you have the same alignment as earierl. Perform a scan.
http://i.imgur.com/TKsyx.jpg
As you can see both signatures were indeed arround this planet. Now go down to 4 AU probes and realign them again into formation. This time you have to make sure that they are also aligned correctly on the Z-axis, do this by holding your left mouse button and flip the camera. After that shift drag all your probes to the correct height, flip back the camera and move the probes once again to make sure you are centered on the signature.
http://i.imgur.com/KISUC.jpg
Scan again.
Keep doing these steps, one probe size at a time untill you successfully lock down the signature.
http://i.imgur.com/KmLun.jpg
Now once this is done, remember where the other two signatures were located? Swap your probes back to 8 AU and center them over the south planet again to get the second one.
After probing alot you will notice that there are alot of shortcuts you can take while probing that speeds up the process considerably, but keep doing this until you feel comfortable. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:31:00 -
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Krey Banther wrote:Something could be wrong with my display setup although EVERYTHING else works fine. For example red X marks show up on the last icon of each probe in the '"probes in space" list.
That red X will destroy your probes so don't click it.
Comy 1 wrote:I hate being that guy, but that video really shows how to be INEFFICIENT at probing. Personally I only use 4 probes because I know I can pin down any cosmic signature with it, while having my screen less clustered thus easier to read.
Your entire posted reply was very good, both informative and helpful. However, I have to disagree with this small part. Using the 5 probe method will help a low skilled new explorer to get 100% on most sites. It's easier to work on placement of probes by having the 5th probe as a compass center. It also adds more scan strength.
To the OP: Skills are very important as well as equipment. To quickly scan signatures at 100%, train the exploration skills at least to level 3, level 4 is much better and shouldn't take too long.
Exploration Skills Archaeology, Astrometrics, Astrometric Rangefinding, Astrometric Pinpointing, Astrometric Acquisition, Survey, Salvaging, Hacking,
Equipment helps a lot, especially with low exploration skill points. There are various probes, launchers, ships, rigs and implants with bonus attributes for scanning. Easiest application is to just place a couple of T1scan rigs on a ship that has scan bonus and use Sisters of Eve probes and launcher. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:47:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Using the 5 probe method will help a low skilled new explorer to get 100% on most sites. It's easier to work on placement of probes by having the 5th probe as a compass center. It also adds more scan strength.
Didn't the last change to probing (where "unscannable ships" are no longer impossible to scan) change the mechanics so that the 5th center probe no longer gives you additional information, which means no stronger hits?
I might be wrong on this, but your point about having an easier time aligning probes arround a 5th might be true. Personally I have the pattern created by overlapsed probes inprinted on the back of my eyelids so I preffer to use 4.
Something to be said if you have trouble locking down a signature even at 0.25 au with 4 probes is to add 2 more and add above and below the center, since this do infact add additional scan-information. If you do this it's indeed alot easier to align them if you use the previously mentioned 5th center probe. |
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:48:00 -
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Comy 1 wrote: Didn't the last change to probing (where "unscannable ships" are no longer impossible to scan) change the mechanics so that the 5th center probe no longer gives you additional information, which means no stronger hits?
It did pretty much exactly the opposite. Before the changes, the scanning result would only use the result of 4 probes. Now, adding a 5, 6, 7th and even 8th probe will all improve your scan result. For sigs and anomalies with strong scanning skills, using 8 probes won't serve much purpose, but if you're scanning down a previously unprobeable ship, you're going to need all the probes that your skills allow you to launch.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:54:00 -
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Mart Allini wrote:Comy 1 wrote: Didn't the last change to probing (where "unscannable ships" are no longer impossible to scan) change the mechanics so that the 5th center probe no longer gives you additional information, which means no stronger hits?
It did pretty much exactly the opposite. Before the changes, the scanning result would only use the result of 4 probes. Now, adding a 5, 6, 7th and even 8th probe will all improve your scan result. For sigs and anomalies with strong scanning skills, using 8 probes won't serve much purpose, but if you're scanning down a previously unprobeable ship, you're going to need all the probes that your skills allow you to launch.
It adds the result of multiple probes yes, but a center probe will not give any information the other 4 already give you since it's in the middle of things. As I said earlier, adding 2 above and below center will however. Pretty sure Veritas was the one that coded it and commented on it. Wonder if it was on the new or old forum... |
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Vihura
Vihura Cor
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:58:00 -
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I with Comy1 this is very INEFFICIENT. Standard CCP tutirial video is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg if you practice you will able scan signature in abaut 5 minuts time. |
Krey Banther
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:53:00 -
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Thank you for the pictures Comy1. You see those red circles in your pictures? Those NEVER show up on my screen. That is what I am referring to.
Substantia - OK - what I do. This was also checked by one of my corp mates. So: 1. 32 AU single probe to see if anything is present 2. cover major planet groups with smaller probes and scan 3. If I get one signature, usually at 0.5% strength, then I click on that signature to see which probe found it. 4. NO probe is highlighted in red. Here is the problem. So I punt. 5. Move probes around and scan until the signal disappears - now I know which probe found it. Call it probe 1. 6. Move probe 1 around a little and scan so I know which direction to go. 7. Move other probes around probe 1 and shift and scan until I see more signal. 8. reduce sizes of all probes and carefully move to the signal by watching for increasing signal strength.
I have gotten up to 50% signal strength this way. It takes a while.
I have no way of knowing which probes detect the signal as I get no red circles of intersection or fuzzy red spheres as shown in Comy 1's JGP picture. As I mentioned in my earlier response, red does show up elsewhere on my screen. But I may have turned off a display option that is keeping the red signature indications from showing up.
BTW - I really liked your discussion of being killed in NULL by a bubble at the exit gate. Well told story. |
Spineker
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.28 19:00:00 -
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You do click and highlight the signal you are interested in having show up on the map in red correct? |
Spineker
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.28 19:40:00 -
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Ops never mind I didn't read all of it... |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:38:00 -
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Some times when you use a single probe centered on a planet the sphere is REALLY small, and hides within the pivot. Try moving the probes a little bit and zoom in to see if they are there. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
87
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:07:00 -
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eve mail reply, with some suggestions to try.
Good luck, I hope you are suddenly struck with an "Ahaaaaa!" and it all falls into place after that.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.10.29 01:34:00 -
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Make sure to turn on the probe results in your map settings. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:45:00 -
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The option Tau speaks of can be seen here if you are unfamiliar with the setting:
http://i.imgur.com/FSswO.png
Make sure the left one of the options is not crossed over. If you have it turned off it will look like this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZCDHz.png
If it does, just click the eye icon and the results should show. |
Krey Banther
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:35:00 -
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THAT'S IT!!!! Somehow in the past I must have turned that option off. Thank you Tau Cabalander for your extensive knowledge and analysis ability. And Comy1 and Substantia Nigra for your patient interest, contributions and backup.
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