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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:26:00 -
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Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:Solstice Project wrote:No.
I hope Chribba checks in and tells us what he thinks. Now why some spam is allowed and some other isn't? reported, Do rules in GD apply only when someone wish/need? Aaahahaha...hello future war target of so many people Like I feel scared by "such" so many people? lol. Of course not.
You're a hypocrit and a coward hiding behind an npc alt.
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Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:32:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:Solstice Project wrote:No.
I hope Chribba checks in and tells us what he thinks. Now why some spam is allowed and some other isn't? reported, Do rules in GD apply only when someone wish/need? Aaahahaha...hello future war target of so many people Like I feel scared by "such" so many people? lol. Of course not. You're a hypocrit and a coward hiding behind an npc alt.
U mad bro? Keep it civil. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16013
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:02:00 -
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No.
Also, they're supposed to be below T2, so if that doesn't happen, maybe they should consider increasing the SP loss to compensate.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No.
Also, they're supposed to be below T2, so if that doesn't happen, maybe they should consider increasing the SP loss to compensate.
They are not supposed to be below T2. They are supposed to be not as specialized in one field as T2 such that they make T2 pointless to use Which they are not apart from boosting. Before you point out some areas where they make T2 obselete remember you don't lose a billion isk plus 400k SP when your T2 blows up. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16013
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:13:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:They are not supposed to be below T2. They are supposed to be not as specialized in one field as T2 such that they make T2 pointless to use In other words:
Not as good as HACing as a HAC. Not as good at logistics as a Logi. Not as good at gangboosting as a CS. Not as good at sneaking around and ewaring as a Recon. Not as good for a bubble environment as a HIC.
GǪi.e. below T2.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:They are not supposed to be below T2. They are supposed to be not as specialized in one field as T2 such that they make T2 pointless to use In other words: Not as good as HACing as a HAC. Not as good at logistics as a Logi. Not as good at gangboosting as a CS. Not as good at sneaking around and ewaring as a Recon. Not as good for a bubble environment as a HIC. GǪi.e. below T2. Quote:Before you point out some areas where they make T2 obselete remember you don't lose a billion isk plus 400k SP when your T2 blows up. Then again, the cost is irrelevant and you don't lose 400k SP when your T3 blows up either.
Cost is very relevant unless you want to see T3's everywhere. My bad I got blown up twice for 400k, you lose a little over 200k with sub systems at 5. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16013
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Cost is very relevant unless you want to see T3's everywhere. It's not relevant for balancing, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
BearUkraine
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:49:00 -
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Yes.
I agree that SP loss should be removed. |
Obunagawe
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Cost is very relevant unless you want to see T3's everywhere. It's not relevant for balancing, no.
If cost isn't relevant then neither is SP loss. You can buy SP in the form of characters on the Bazaar. Even at ridiculous isk/SP, like 1000 isk/SP, at the current time the ISK loss of the hull and subsystems dwarfs the value of the skills lost. |
Soporo
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:51:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:Stop dying or use another ship. T3 are OP and that's why you lose SP.
This. Used to be Tengu, now it's omfg Loki.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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baltec1
Bat Country
7561
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:51:00 -
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The irony here is t3 are about to get buffed. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16013
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:20:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:If cost isn't relevant then neither is SP loss. SP loss is relevant because it's something you can't get back. it is time lost forever, and until you've trained that SP back, you are less effective, which alters the balance of the ship.
Quote:You can buy SP in the form of characters on the Bazaar. No. You can only by collections of skills in the form of characters on the bazaar. You can never buy SP.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
751
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Posted - 2013.08.11 16:47:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:As the title says, with the up and coming re-balance of T3's should CCP consider removing the SP loss associated with T3's
Discuss :)
With the upcoming "balance", all SP spent on T3's is already "lost".
Eve is Real |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
167
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:04:00 -
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I'm very reluctant to agree to any prospect of removing SP loss. As annoying as it may be, it adds an otherwise unique dynamic to them. Considering their current state, such a risk I feel is well justified. Having said that, without knowing fully what exact changes CCP intends to implement, it's tough to say if it would be either a good or bad idea later on. They would have to nerf T3's to the ground for removal of the SP loss to be any good of a change. We have seen CCP's nerf bat before; it's a big bat.
In short, as of now? No, not a good idea (in fact, a big hell no). That could change though...time will tell. |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:51:00 -
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Isaac Collins wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/k8m.gif/
No.
Sp loss is the only downside to having a T3 cruiser, fear of losing a bunch of SP is the reason why T3 Cruisers aren't just thrown around like frigates.
They are very very expensive? That is pleanty downside for most expensive ships. |
Demica Diaz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:01:00 -
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Proteus is my main ship and has been for long time. In my opinion SP loss makes it more unique ship. You know you will lose more than just your ship + mods. Makes you more aware. But that is justified by having ship that can explore, be hidden, immune to bubbles, have tank higher than battleship, firepower of pimped out battlecruiser in cruiser size hull. Plus many other advantages.
So yeah, its fine with me. BUT, soon there will be rebalance of T3 and my opinion at the moment of SP loss is based on current T3. It might change after balance and much depends how dramatic change will be. If T2's going to be better than T3 in specialized role then I am fine with that, as long as T3 can do all/most T2's roles in one single hull. Thats what T3 is about. Jack of all trades, master of none. |
Isaac Collins
Insanely Twisted
D3vil's Childr3n
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:26:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Isaac Collins wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/k8m.gif/
No.
Sp loss is the only downside to having a T3 cruiser, fear of losing a bunch of SP is the reason why T3 Cruisers aren't just thrown around like frigates. They are very very expensive? That is pleanty downside for most expensive ships.
A type tengu 2 to 5 bil. A type HAC close to 10 bil. Sorry its not expensive at all in comparison to alternartives. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:29:00 -
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but they should be better than T2...because they are T3. count it with me.
1. 2. ....3.
if they didn't want them to be better they should have called them "Tech 1 -+'s" or Tech 1-+'s" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5724
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:53:00 -
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You don't even know how they're going to rebalance the ships.
For all you know they could make the penalty worse, e.g. losing a level in two separate subsystem skills when you lose a T3.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5724
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The irony here is t3 are about to get buffed.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Their combat capabilities certainly aren't going to be buffed, since they're extremely strong and they hurt both battleships and HACs. Namely:
The Legion is stronger at the Zealot's role than the Zealot is.
The Tengu is stronger at the Cerberus' role than the Cerberus is.
The Loki is stronger at the Muninn's role than the Muninn is.
The Proteus is stronger at the Diemos' role than the Diemos is.
The Loki and Proteus are also better than the Huginn and Lachesis, respectively, even though the and relevant EWAR bonuses (web range and point/scram range, respectively) are halved. Why? Because the Loki and Proteus have staying power, while the recons really don't. The Huginn and Lachesis also have secondary EWAR bonuses, but in fleet doctrines these are rarely used.
Their boosting capabilities are getting nerfed, that much is confirmed.
Being a generalized jack of all trades, master of none isn't a buff. It doesn't make a ship good. Just look at the Gnosis. It sends the ship to the scrapheap because any other ship can do one of those things better, and so people will just mix combinations of ships that do things well. The only people who will fly T3s then are people who fly solo.
If you really ask me, I think CCP has no idea what to do about T3s, because they know that in their current capacity they're too damaging to the T1/T2 dynamic, but they also want to keep them as ships that people will actually pay money to use.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
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Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:11:00 -
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@poster above:
Your post shows why all the T2 cruisers are in dire need of a rebalancing. Recons are so **** it hurts.
I don't get how CCP could rebalance T1 cruisers and ignore their variations.
I do hope that T3 get galanced together with the remaining untouched ships or it is going to be a mess... (Knowing CCP it will probably be the later). |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:13:00 -
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yay thread goes from change to sp loss in regards to t3's to twitter chat. next will be FACEBOOK! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5724
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:16:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:yay thread goes from change to sp loss in regards to t3's to twitter chat. next will be FACEBOOK!
This made exactly zero sense. For example, most of our posts are a hell of a lot longer than 140 characters.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7569
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:baltec1 wrote:The irony here is t3 are about to get buffed. Not sure what you mean by that.
The buff to med long rang range turrets and the buff to shield and armour reps coming in 1.1 will make t3 even better than now. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7569
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:06:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:@poster above:
Your post shows why all the T2 cruisers are in dire need of a rebalancing. Recons are so **** it hurts.
I don't get how CCP could rebalance T1 cruisers and ignore their variations.
I do hope that T3 get galanced together with the remaining untouched ships or it is going to be a mess... (Knowing CCP it will probably be the later).
HACs are getting teircided in 1.1 and the others will follow soon after. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5724
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:baltec1 wrote:The irony here is t3 are about to get buffed. Not sure what you mean by that. The buff to med long rang range turrets and the buff to shield and armour reps coming in 1.1 will make t3 even better than now.
I must have turned my brain off or something. Completely forgot about that.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7569
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I must have turned my brain off or something. Completely forgot about that.
Most seem to have overlooked that or they are keeping very quiet about it. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
2332
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:34:00 -
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No. Players who whine about the SP loss after losing a T3 really need to htfu.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Suddenly Spaceships.
792
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:baltec1 wrote:The irony here is t3 are about to get buffed. Not sure what you mean by that. The buff to med long rang range turrets and the buff to shield and armour reps coming in 1.1 will make t3 even better than now.
They deserve a buff...a propper fit t3 is worth 5 times more than the t2 version so it deserves a clear advantage imo.
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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baltec1
Bat Country
7570
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:41:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:
They deserve a buff...a propper fit t3 is worth 5 times more than the t2 version so it deserves a clear advantage imo.
The federate issue megathron is worth 10 times that of a titan. I guess it should get the tank and firepower ten times that of a titan?
Also the new frigates from the tournament are worth at least 10 billion each, I guess they should have 500 times the firepower of a normal frigate...
Cost means nothing when it comes to balancing ships. |
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