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Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:20:00 -
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Yes, I have used search. I have spent days reading threads on this topic, and I love it. I think the best topics to discuss are the controversial ones. If you don't like debate and some repetition, internet forums may not be for you.
One specialized ammunition charge loaded into a projectile weapon, that uses the capacity of the weapon it's loaded into.
You find your target, load the charge, lock em up, fire (and hopefully hit).
A successful hit links a homing tag in your cargo bay permanently to the pilots ship, if your target kills you this tag may be destroyed or stolen. If you kill your target the tag goes dark again.
Loading the tag into a homing computer in your medium slot lets you warp to within a few meters (or more) of the target, and gives you a 2000% target specific signature radius bonus.
The tags would be verifiable, and therefore you could sell them. Depending on how annoying you are, you could have an ally tag you and then sell that tag to your enemies.
One tracking computer fit at a time, to prevent it from being some kinda anti-frigate superweapon.
Drop cloakies from local, cannigetta +1? |
Jureth22
FLA5HY RED FLE5HY WARLARDS
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:33:00 -
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seriosly,is someone paying random guys to start threads about nerfing the cloack?or just a coincidence. |
Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:51:00 -
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Remove local and you solve the afk cloaking "problem". "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:56:00 -
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instead of op suggestion we allow fof missiles to hit cloaked targets if they are a valid targets? Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:22:00 -
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No... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:57:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:instead of op suggestion we allow fof missiles to hit cloaked targets if they are a valid targets?
If your ship's sensors, which are probably more sophisticated than any sensors on a missile, can't detect the cloaked ship why should FoF missiles hit what you can't "see"? This makes no sense and is too strong a counter to cloaks.
No. How to Fix Local Chat, then hunting cloaked ships: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453 |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:06:00 -
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assuming everything you said is true, then you spent a really long time coming up with must be the worst suggestion i have ever seen, congrats!
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Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:10:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:assuming everything you said is true, then you spent a really long time coming up with must be the worst suggestion i have ever seen, congrats!
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Since you can't seem to articulate an argument, I assume you're just jealous you didn't think of it first. |
Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:11:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:Remove local and you solve the afk cloaking "problem".
Amen. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:01:00 -
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***Implied Facepalm*** |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.08.12 10:28:00 -
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Trolling trolling trolling...raw hide!
EDIT:
One of thee worst threads I have ever read on "NERF CLOAKS!".
You are 2 days old...really? Alt posting by any chance?
A tag that permanently tags a ship...forever? Really?
2000% signature bloom? Really?
For all that is good in the two Empires, 1 State and 1 Federation of New Eden: No! My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 10:36:00 -
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Sounds OP and you've not given a reason why it's needed, or what if fixes.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:33:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Yes, I have used search. I have spent days reading threads on this topic, and I love it. I think the best topics to discuss are the controversial ones. If you don't like debate and some repetition, internet forums may not be for you. One specialized ammunition charge loaded into a projectile weapon, that uses the capacity of the weapon it's loaded into. You find your target, load the charge, lock em up, fire (and hopefully hit). A successful hit links a homing tag in your cargo bay permanently to the pilots ship, if your target kills you this tag may be destroyed or stolen. If you kill your target the tag goes dark again. Loading the tag into a homing computer in your medium slot lets you warp to within a few meters (or more) of the target, and gives you a 2000% target specific signature radius bonus. The tags would be verifiable, and therefore you could sell them. Depending on how annoying you are, you could have an ally tag you and then sell that tag to your enemies. One tracking computer fit at a time, to prevent it from being some kinda anti-frigate superweapon. Drop cloakies from local, cannigetta +1?
Nope, I don't see anyway for this to be abused. Not at all. Not like anyone would put this ammo type in their ship, then tag the logi of an opposing fleet and get that 20x signature bonus. Nope, it would never be used like that.
How to Fix Local Chat, then hunting cloaked ships: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453 |
Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:46:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
Nope, I don't see anyway for this to be abused. Not at all. Not like anyone would put this ammo type in their ship, then tag the logi of an opposing fleet and get that 20x signature bonus. Nope, it would never be used like that.
You'd need to run down the logi one by one, which isn't particularly hard to do ATM
Mag's wrote: Sounds OP and you've not given a reason why it's needed, or what if fixes.
Definitely not needed, nothing broken here. Just an idea, a way to hunt cloakies, or people..."most dangerous game" style. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:01:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:assuming everything you said is true, then you spent a really long time coming up with must be the worst suggestion i have ever seen, congrats!
-1 Since you can't seem to articulate an argument, I assume you're just jealous you didn't think of it first.
Does he sound like he's jealous?
Sounds more to me like he things your idea is a poorly thought out mess. I happen to agree with him.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:17:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote: -snipped- but if you're going to take the time to post an insult you could at least educate me a little. Not that I'm not willing to do my own homework, EVE just gives a LOT of homework.
Here's my little bit of education: Learn the game first before posting up on something you clearly haven't researched or use. The Forums are full of these kinds of threads (there's even a thread listing all these threads). So I'd suggest the following:
Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
This idea seems to me that you are like a blind man fumbling in the dark for a black cat that isn't there! Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:45:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Valry Maulerant wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:assuming everything you said is true, then you spent a really long time coming up with must be the worst suggestion i have ever seen, congrats!
-1 Since you can't seem to articulate an argument, I assume you're just jealous you didn't think of it first. Does he sound like he's jealous? Sounds more to me like he things your idea is a poorly thought out mess. I happen to agree with him.
Now you sound like you're jealous XP
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Here's my little bit of education: Learn the game first before posting up on something you clearly haven't researched or use. The Forums are full of these kinds of threads (there's even a thread listing all these threads). So I'd suggest the following:
Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
This idea seems to me that you are like a blind man fumbling in the dark for a black cat that isn't there!
What exactly is it you think I haven't researched? This comment seems to me like most of the others above it, derogatory and insulting without actually being relevant or helpful in any way.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:18:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Here's my little bit of education: Learn the game first before posting up on something you clearly haven't researched or use. The Forums are full of these kinds of threads (there's even a thread listing all these threads). So I'd suggest the following:
Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
This idea seems to me that you are like a blind man fumbling in the dark for a black cat that isn't there! What exactly is it you think I haven't researched? This comment seems to me like most of the others above it, derogatory and insulting without actually being relevant or helpful in any way.
You haven't researched the thing you are suggesting an idea for and don't just EFT Warrior\Paper Pilot me here, if you have time on type then fair do's but your Character is 4 days old, that's 4 DAYS. How do you have enough experience on type to give an informed idea to the community? Or if you're Alt posting then you should be ashamed of yourself, posting in the Forums isn't a bad thing and we all welcome ideas but from people who have used what they are posting a suggestion on.
For instance I wouldn't even try to put forward an idea for a change to Titans and that's because I have zero experience with them and know nothing about them therefore how could I possibly know how my idea would affect them or be OP\nerfed too much.
It has some very positive suggestions in my post that you quoted so let me just reiterate them again for you:
Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Llyona
Sleepless Escorts
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Posted - 2013.08.14 10:07:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Yes, I have used search. I have spent days reading threads on this topic, and I love it. I think the best topics to discuss are the controversial ones. If you don't like debate and some repetition, internet forums may not be for you. One specialized ammunition charge loaded into a projectile weapon, that uses the capacity of the weapon it's loaded into. You find your target, load the charge, lock em up, fire (and hopefully hit). A successful hit links a homing tag in your cargo bay permanently to the pilots ship, if your target kills you this tag may be destroyed or stolen. If you kill your target the tag goes dark again. Loading the tag into a homing computer in your medium slot lets you warp to within a few meters (or more) of the target, and gives you a 2000% target specific signature radius bonus. The tags would be verifiable, and therefore you could sell them. Depending on how annoying you are, you could have an ally tag you and then sell that tag to your enemies. One tracking computer fit at a time, to prevent it from being some kinda anti-frigate superweapon. Drop cloakies from local, cannigetta +1?
Translation: A mean ol' AFK cloaky is keeping me from doing my anoms in null. CCP MAKE HIM STAHP!
There is nothing wrong with cloaking. We have been making due with cloakies in Wspace for years without complaint. Since we don't have omniscient local, we just assume someone is always watching our every move... because they are... always... watching.
Anyway, so long as local exists cloaking will exist as it is without any counter except local. I hope that expedited this whole discussion. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:32:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Valry Maulerant wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Here's my little bit of education: Learn the game first before posting up on something you clearly haven't researched or use. The Forums are full of these kinds of threads (there's even a thread listing all these threads). So I'd suggest the following:
Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
This idea seems to me that you are like a blind man fumbling in the dark for a black cat that isn't there! What exactly is it you think I haven't researched? This comment seems to me like most of the others above it, derogatory and insulting without actually being relevant or helpful in any way. You haven't researched the thing you are suggesting an idea for and don't just EFT Warrior\Paper Pilot me here, if you have time on type then fair do's but your Character is 4 days old, that's 4 DAYS. How do you have enough experience on type to give an informed idea to the community? Or if you're Alt posting then you should be ashamed of yourself, posting in the Forums isn't a bad thing and we all welcome ideas but from people who have used what they are posting a suggestion on. For instance I wouldn't even try to put forward an idea for a change to Titans and that's because I have zero experience with them and know nothing about them therefore how could I possibly know how my idea would affect them or be OP\nerfed too much. It has some very positive suggestions in my post that you quoted so let me just reiterate them again for you: Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:50:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Removing/opting local would force alliances to either defend indy's or lose them, so I'm all for that. Local is as responsible (as anything else) for the terrible stopgap that is docking up like a paranoid schizophrenic every time anyone enters the system.
Since the only alliance I am internally familiar with treats indy guys like garbage, (pointed @ undock, AWOXed etc) It's pretty frustrating. That having been said, if you are a cloaky camper and your prey gets some pot shots in and still escapes you've already made a few mistakes. Why not let us capitalize on it?
And there's your problem, yet again, Local. Please let me point you in the direction of these two threads to address the issue:
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence AND in-conjunction with So Local Chat vanished, now what?
The first gets rid of the free intel that makes paraniods dock up and the whine on the forum (AKA Local) and the second allows you to go hunt those cloakies...job done and HTH. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Valry Maulerant
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:55:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote: How do you have enough experience on type to give an informed idea to the community? Or if you're Alt posting then you should be ashamed of yourself, posting in the Forums isn't a bad thing and we all welcome ideas but from people who have used what they are posting a suggestion on.
I'll say right now I don't have the firsthand experience here, but I thought this might be a good idea.
Maximus Aerelius wrote: Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
Yessir.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:57:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote: How do you have enough experience on type to give an informed idea to the community? Or if you're Alt posting then you should be ashamed of yourself, posting in the Forums isn't a bad thing and we all welcome ideas but from people who have used what they are posting a suggestion on.
I'll say right now I don't have the firsthand experience here, but I thought this might be a good idea. Maximus Aerelius wrote: Research properly, use the ship\tactics\modules\etc and then suggest ideas.
Yessir.
Points for admitting that you don't have time on type and I wish you all the best in your endeavours.
Fly safe and aim true Capsuleer O7 Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:38:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Nope, I don't see anyway for this to be abused. Not at all. Not like anyone would put this ammo type in their ship, then tag the logi of an opposing fleet and get that 20x signature bonus. Nope, it would never be used like that.
You'd need to run down the logi one by one, which isn't particularly hard to do ATM.
Some logi rely on a small signature radius. The 20x boost to the signature radius would negate that. Same for AHACs. They use an AB for a reason, so they can tank incoming fire via a small sig radius and by keeping up transversal. Another potential abuse, tag the FC/anchor and send the opposing fleet into disarray.
Frankly, I don't see why extra locking speed is need anyhow. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
28
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:49:00 -
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Valry Maulerant wrote:One specialized ammunition charge loaded into a projectile weapon, that uses the capacity of the weapon it's loaded into.
You find your target, load the charge, lock em up, fire (and hopefully hit).
...more stuff...
Err, why so complicated?
Better suggestion:
You find your target, lock em up, fire. Keep firing until they explode.
Problem solved. Very little(*) in-game changes required.
(*) might already be implemented in a space game near you. |
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