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Endo Riftbreaker
Antioch Rising
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:27:00 -
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Hi all,
So I have my first round of combat boosters coming out of production this week. I am manufacturing the standard boosters, which are illegal in High Sec. I'm currently living in a WH with a high sec static, and am planning on selling the boosters in Jita.
My question is simple, what's the best way to move the finished boosters? I have access to a Cov Ops frigate, Blockade runners (can NPC's still cargo scan them?) Ventures (plus 2 core stability?)
Just looking for some solid advice on avoiding the 5-0 haha.
Thanks in advance.
-E |

Styx Titan
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:11:00 -
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Your boosters are not welcome in Jita. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
40
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:16:00 -
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Have you put any thought into how your customers will get them out from Jita? Unless you just plan to laugh at the people getting arrested in JIta for holding contraband (a reasonable plan) then maybe high sec isn't the place to be selling these products. Check low sec staging systems and run them down to those systems. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
33602
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:40:00 -
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Welp, the 2 yucksters above said absolutely nothing about ships, so I'll just say I've always run like a bat out of hell with them in an Interceptor class ship. |

Endo Riftbreaker
Antioch Rising
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:14:00 -
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There's a pretty active market with both buy and sell orders in Jita for the boosters, so I'm not worried about that -people obviously just jump freighter them out etc.
Thanks, I'll check out interceptors, but presumably covops work just as well. |

Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
10
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:34:00 -
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Styx Titan wrote:Your boosters are not welcome in Jita.
Say hi to your competition |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
33700
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:35:00 -
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Endo Riftbreaker wrote:There's a pretty active market with both buy and sell orders in Jita for the boosters, so I'm not worried about that -people obviously just jump freighter them out etc.
Thanks, I'll check out interceptors, but presumably covops work just as well.
Actually....although I did it in Interceptors, Covops is probably better. More Agility so faster aligning. Greater Warp Speed too, although that's just a bonus, not vital. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3858
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:27:00 -
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I think the traditional way was a fast frigate on an alt with an empty (soon to be negative) wallet. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
13
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:55:00 -
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Blockade runner with Cov ops may be. |

Karak Bol
Crepuscular
97
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:28:00 -
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I tested the options for this problem, and a covops cloak reduced the times I got busted. Also aligntime is very important, so Covops frigate is the answer. But throwaway alt is even more easy. |

Ciaphas Cyne
HUG NATION Knight's of the Black Sun
3
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:01:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:I But throwaway alt is even more easy.
i hate that that's an acceptable answer for anything in Eve that isnt PVP. not every industry should be the domain of someones alt. Not gonna highjack the thread and rant about alts more...sorry...
anyway, Crane is a nice choice. And people do buy boosters in high sec, the market is just a little slow thats all. Standard boosters seem to sell the most and the skill books to resist the side effects are VERY pricey in sec space. |

Albercheck
Crossfire Incorporated I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:58:00 -
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You can sell in Jita if you want, but it's a pretty massive hassle on both you and your prospective clients.
Here's a tip I can offer you though if you're at all interested: if you're not 100% set on selling the actual finished product, you should consider selling the pure chemical booster form (step 9/10) and not the actual finished combat booster. The pure chemical forms are completely legal to haul, and there is barely any competition.
Savvy traders/explorers bottleneck the gas supply, so you can make your own cash by bottlenecking the pure chemical forms if you want.
Let someone else take the risk transporting the final product.
Just my 2 cents (it's what I do.) |

Grandma Squirel
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Posted - 2013.08.14 00:42:00 -
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Albercheck wrote:You can sell in Jita if you want, but it's a pretty massive hassle on both you and your prospective clients.
Here's a tip I can offer you though if you're at all interested: if you're not 100% set on selling the actual finished product, you should consider selling the pure chemical booster form (step 9/10) and not the actual finished combat booster. The pure chemical forms are completely legal to haul, and there is barely any competition.
Savvy traders/explorers bottleneck the gas supply, so you can make your own cash by bottlenecking the pure chemical forms if you want.
Let someone else take the risk transporting the final product.
Just my 2 cents (it's what I do.)
People actually buy those? You need the POS to finish them anyway... |

Nalha Saldana
Biohazard.
731
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:57:00 -
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I think blockade runners are immune to npc scans nowadays, try it. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
34470
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:00:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:I think blockade runners are immune to npc scans nowadays, try it.
Immune from player scanning, not from NPC scanning. |

Anne McDonald
Blood5hed
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Posted - 2013.08.21 07:32:00 -
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Hey I used to be in booster production for a while and I was looking for the same answer as you but never found it. It seems the community was split between 'yeah a fast aligning ship or cloaky will be fine for transporting' and 'you do not technically get scanned you have an X percent chance to get caught and there is nothing you can do about it'
So I took the chance I grabbed a cloaky and large chunk of my boosters and off I went 20 high sec jumps to jita and I had received 10 fines. (still I made a large amount of profit from just selling to buy orders) I flew back to my booster stash put the cloaky away and grabbed an interceptor did the same route to jita and I received 9 fines the logical answer I got from my tests were that you have a 50% chance of getting caught but I could still be wrong.
There are ways around getting caught by customs which I never tested out such as having a scout check for customs on the gates or having a fleet actually kill the customs ships (the latter of which I didn't want to risk other peoples ships for something I was not sure would work)
I hope you can make use of this information and good luck with it all |

Albercheck
Crossfire Incorporated I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:05:00 -
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Grandma Squirel wrote:Albercheck wrote:You can sell in Jita if you want, but it's a pretty massive hassle on both you and your prospective clients.
Here's a tip I can offer you though if you're at all interested: if you're not 100% set on selling the actual finished product, you should consider selling the pure chemical booster form (step 9/10) and not the actual finished combat booster. The pure chemical forms are completely legal to haul, and there is barely any competition.
Savvy traders/explorers bottleneck the gas supply, so you can make your own cash by bottlenecking the pure chemical forms if you want.
Let someone else take the risk transporting the final product.
Just my 2 cents (it's what I do.) People actually buy those? You need the POS to finish them anyway...
Yep. If you do a lot of trading, you know that you're basically making money off of lazy people. Booster producers are no different.
Selling the pure forms of high grade boosters is usually the best because those require the most amount of reacting. Basically, people are paying you for doing all the reaction work..... which for the high grade boosters is a lot of mixing and matching. The best part, too, is pretty much no one else does it so you get to name your price. Don't get me wrong, the market isn't exactly vibrant so you shouldn't expect things to sell quickly. But, they definitely sell. |

Ginger Barbarella
State Protectorate Caldari State
1466
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Posted - 2013.08.29 21:13:00 -
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So, basically, nobody answering in this thread has ever actually run boosters? Cuz I would like to hear more about ship, tactics, and how they did it, rather than "it should work", "this is how my buddy did it", and "I heard this worked". Howz about the people that GOT THEM TO JITA OR HEK OR RENS actually answer, and let us know about whether you got caught (fees), and whether the items were actually confiscated or not (last few times I got caught with contraband it was never confiscated).
Thanks. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:41:00 -
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Never done it myself but you could try double bagging it (courier contract it between alts) |

Night Sword
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.08.31 22:07:00 -
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Awhile back I was very into booster production. I was making about 50 standard pills a day selling on the lowsec market of FW players. The reason I quit was I was outproducing what I was selling. Any bulk stash I had to get rid of quicker then the market in low I took to jita.
There is no way to escape the NPC customs scans. It will happen cloaked or not. The easiest way to not have it confiscated is a quick alligning frigate (Inertia stabs help) and just manually warp gate to gate.
Disregard the popup until you are able to get through the other gate to the side There are no way to avoid the fines so take that into account with planning profits. But atleast you can not get it taken away being quick enough on the warp.
Oh and you lose a little sec status |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1469
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Posted - 2013.08.31 22:55:00 -
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Night Sword wrote:Awhile back I was very into booster production. I was making about 50 standard pills a day selling on the lowsec market of FW players. The reason I quit was I was outproducing what I was selling. Any bulk stash I had to get rid of quicker then the market in low I took to jita.
There is no way to escape the NPC customs scans. It will happen cloaked or not. The easiest way to not have it confiscated is a quick alligning frigate (Inertia stabs help) and just manually warp gate to gate.
Disregard the popup until you are able to get through the other gate to the side There are no way to avoid the fines so take that into account with planning profits. But atleast you can not get it taken away being quick enough on the warp.
Oh and you lose a little sec status
Thanks for your input! I understand the fine and security hit; that's really not a concern to me if/when I choose to run them. The confiscation/loss of investment was a concern, and I was curious whether the presence of Customs ships or lack thereof actually meant something would happen or not. If scouting a route away from Customs agents actually works I'd definately dive into it (boosters for my FW alts), but if that won't work, I'll just pay for those boosters that do manage to get to Rens or Hek. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Night Sword
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:31:00 -
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Yeah by all means if you want to invest in the time to scout out a route that doesnt include the custom officers then that would work fine. If theres no officers then no chance of being scanned :D |

Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:52:00 -
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Isn't the pop up message of customs and the action against you is same like when concord deals with negative standing criminal or like federation treats enemy of their factions ?
Because there is always threshold between the popup message and the action itself makes you able to get away to next gate with your goodies. |

Chlodwig888
e-X-traction
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:53:00 -
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Only the final product is illegal in hisec. Any form of gas or pure xxx booster is legal. So you can transport it without interuption.
For transporting the booster pills to Jita use a fast aligning frigate. Anything using a covert ops cloaking device is useless as the customs officers scan you anyway. Since you are producing in a WH with a static Hi you dont need to cloak up for save passage. Entering a system through a gate you have got 3-4 seconds to warp off the gate before the customs start scanning your cargo. There is no way to veil the boosters in your cargohold.
Should you be scanned, you will have a pop up which requests you to jettison the contraband which you can ignore. Thereafter you ll suffer a slight security loss, an automatically debitted fine ( for 50 standard exile it is like 4mil isk i.e.). I am not sure if you suffer a suspect flag but even if doesnt really matter.
As the gates to jita are pretty often locked down you should make sure in before they arent as you dont want to land on a locked gate.
If you watch out and immediately get off the gates you should be able to run through hole empire without getting scanned even once.
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Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:38:00 -
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Anne McDonald wrote:...or having a fleet actually kill the customs ships...
Does this work? How difficult is this? What are the consequences?
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Wayay Bonnylad
Mining Trade and Industrial Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.23 08:20:00 -
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I went onto SiSi to do some tests for runing boosters through Hisec. I took the fastest aligning ship I could fly, rigged it and fitted it for fastest alignment, stuck a booster in the hold and went for a drive. What I found was that I didn't get scanned on the incoming gate once, but I got the pop-up on the outgate roughly 50% of the time that Customs were on the gate.
I selected the Jump option on warping so went straight to zero on the gate and jumped automatically, but still got caught. I am of the opinion that there is nothing to do to prevent a fine if you get scanned, and the scan will happen on a random chance no matter what you do. I will run more tests to further test my theory prior to actually moving any boosters through hisec on the real server.
This, I think is something which could use a new skill to train:
Smuggling - 15% per level to avoid fines from Customs
You would never be 100% safe, but the better skilled you are the less likely to be caught, just like in real life. hehe. In fact, I think I will head over to the Ideas forum and stick it in. |

Chlodwig888
e-X-traction
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Posted - 2013.10.23 09:16:00 -
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Wayay Bonnylad wrote:I went onto SiSi to do some tests for runing boosters through Hisec. I took the fastest aligning ship I could fly, rigged it and fitted it for fastest alignment, stuck a booster in the hold and went for a drive. What I found was that I didn't get scanned on the incoming gate once, but I got the pop-up on the outgate roughly 50% of the time that Customs were on the gate.
I selected the Jump option on warping so went straight to zero on the gate and jumped automatically, but still got caught. I am of the opinion that there is nothing to do to prevent a fine if you get scanned, and the scan will happen on a random chance no matter what you do. I will run more tests to further test my theory prior to actually moving any boosters through hisec on the real server.
This, I think is something which could use a new skill to train:
Smuggling - 15% per level to avoid fines from Customs
You would never be 100% safe, but the better skilled you are the less likely to be caught, just like in real life. hehe. In fact, I think I will head over to the Ideas forum and stick it in.
Which ship did you use and how did you fit it? I used to transport boosters and was only scanned and fined one time (admittenly before Odysee). The trick is not to get scanned which happens after the 3 very first seconds after entering the system. As far as I remember the holding cloak does not prevent the scan. Once jumped in, the clock is ticking immediately. |

Wayay Bonnylad
Mining Trade and Industrial Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.26 08:26:00 -
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I used a Slasher fitted with Low Friction Nozzle Joint rigs and the lows fitted with Istab IIs. Like I said, it wasn't a problem warping away from a gate, it was arriving on the outgate and being scanned prior to the jump animation where I was caught by Customs. |

Jalon Kaladreel
Contraband of Brothers
4
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Posted - 2013.11.05 03:33:00 -
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+1 for covops. Fear not the Customs Officers, and pray you don't run into a SB'ing BS gate camp in low .
Being in W-space, you can also simply wait until you get a hole out to or near Jita...
Some advices too:
Selling in Jita is not going to earn you the most profit, nor will it necessarily move the quickest there, unless you sit there bumping sell orders all day, or severely undercut, which is dumb. I make better profits when I peanut butter my product across some high/low border systems, or sell in the lesser hubs. If you can afford to wait a bit longer, do that. |
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