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Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:11:00 -
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Well more or less..
Hi guys,
So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away. Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?
What would the l33t pvp'er have done? |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:13:00 -
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Btw excuse bad grammer and non kill posting ,i made this thrad from my phone cause i.m at work |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
473
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:22:00 -
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You were, of course, not a coward for avoiding a fight you knew you were going to lose when the enemy brought a counter to your ship.
On the other hand, is there a word for someone who has to come to the forums and seek validation for their perfectly rational actions? If you're looking for a label, that'd be it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:41:00 -
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I am not seeking validation .. well not really,i am just curious to know other pvp'ers reasponses ,what would u guys have done?knowing that this situation occurs frequently. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
103
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:03:00 -
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You engaged Merlin with a Hawk, but when a ship that was closer matched to you (I'd still put money on the hawk to be honest) showed up you ran away. I think you're justified in being made fun of to be honest if you'll only engage if you are in a ship that way outclasses your opponent |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
125
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:04:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see the Vengeance as a hard counter to the Hawk. Sure, it would probably exploit the EM/Ex hole in your shields, but you're bonused to Kinetic (not the strongest resist for the Vengeance, either).
In more visible terms, it looks like you used an AF to gank a frig, but ran off when you were both of the same class of ship. Perhaps you should evaluate what it is, exactly, that you're living for another day to fight? If your goal is to score obvious ganks, then you're not really going to get a lot of props in local. QCATS is Recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
393
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:07:00 -
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I would've taken the fight. Sure, you may think you are going to lose, but you'll never find out unless you take the risk. By giving him a good fight, regardless of victory or defeat, both of you will leave with a greater understanding of how to manage such a situation, and become better pilots because of it. Not to mention you'll both have fun. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
59
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:38:00 -
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If you know he's got a counter to your fit and you will lose, it would be stupid to stay and fight. Handing out free kills isn't brave, it's stupid.
But AF vs AF, you really should've taken that fight. pew pew |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:42:00 -
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Ok..
1. I did not gank the merlin,the merlun ganked me so i retaliated.
2. He came back in a vengeance,a ship that has best rezist in explosiv and kinetic + 4% bonus rezist pet AF lvl.
3. I.ve fought several vengeances in my hawk before,i.ve lost all.
So , i decided to run and not lose another ship,how is that deserving to be called a coward? |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:44:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:If you know he's got a counter to your fit and you will lose, it would be stupid to stay and fight. Handing out free kills isn't brave, it's stupid.
But AF vs AF, you really should've taken that fight.
EXACTLY!!! Since he fought me before obv he saw my fit (ewar , weapon choice) so he had even greater advantage..
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
122
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:50:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Well more or less..
Hi guys,
So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away. Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?
What would the l33t pvp'er have done?
"It depends". Eve is rock, paper, scissors (excepts for Supers). If you have rock and you know for a fact your opponent has paper, you'd be stupid for not running away. However, hawk vs veng is usually more like rock vs rock unless there is something you knew that you didn't share with us (ie he had boosts, etc). Sounds like a 50/50 fight to me. QCATS is recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
474
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:00:00 -
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Meh.
This whole conversation is going in the direction of philosophy and messy subjectivity. You should be doing whatever is most fun for you. You don't owe anyone in this game anything. Not a "good fight", fairness, or anything else. I would suggest that you avoid basing your decisions on what you think others will think of you.
If getting the first kill on the Merlin, then avoiding a fight to make sure you preserve your Hawk hull is the most fun for you, then that's what you should be doing.
If gambling your ship on a fight you're not relatively confident you will win is fun, then you should do that.
However, I still believe that asking other people how you should feel about yourself is a mistake. What you do in a video game, and how others react to it, should not define whether or not you view yourself as a coward.
You pay to play Eve (in $ if you subscribe, in time/effort if not). The only real question is whether you're getting your money's worth, and the only person who can answer that question is you. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
103
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:40:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Ok..
1. I did not gank the merlin,the merlun ganked me so i retaliated.
2. He came back in a vengeance,a ship that has best rezist in explosiv and kinetic + 4% bonus rezist pet AF lvl.
3. I.ve fought several vengeances in my hawk before,i.ve lost all.
So , i decided to run and not lose another ship,how is that deserving to be called a coward?
Stop being bad?
You've got more range than a Vengeance and with a dual MASB your burst tank is something in the realm of 400DPS depending on your fit. You're welcome to run away from any fight you want, just as everyone is welcome to make fun of you for only engaging opponents in lower tier ships.
Welcome to eve |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3063
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:47:00 -
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You were not a coward per se. You just didn't have good experiences against a previous Vengeance and decided not to play the odds again (regardless of how they may or may not have been stacked).
Pretty much all fights are based on this way of thinking. Can I take him/her? What was the previous experience like? Do I have better skills/boosts/experience/odds in my favor that I didn't last time? Is my ship better equipped to take on the possible fits that the person might have? Can/Should I employ different tactics? etc.
However... the danger of using past experiences for reference is that you get stuck in "set" ways of doing things which restricts your adaptability and/or ability to objectively gauge a possible fight (i.e. you run away from fights/conflicts you could have won). My personal solution to this is to get roaring drunk, undock in the ship you like most at that moment, and then fight any fight where the odds are "not too bad" (50:50... 60:40... 70:30... MAYBE 80:20... all not in your favor). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:42:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Ok..
1. I did not gank the merlin,the merlun ganked me so i retaliated.
2. He came back in a vengeance,a ship that has best rezist in explosiv and kinetic + 4% bonus rezist pet AF lvl.
3. I.ve fought several vengeances in my hawk before,i.ve lost all.
So , i decided to run and not lose another ship,how is that deserving to be called a coward? Stop being bad? You've got more range than a Vengeance and with a dual MASB your burst tank is something in the realm of 400DPS depending on your fit. You're welcome to run away from any fight you want, just as everyone is welcome to make fun of you for only engaging opponents in lower tier ships. Welcome to eve
are u sure i had 2 masb? Maybe i had just 1 masb due to a different fit and different tactic? Either way,trust me he was gonna win... And either way it does not make me bad
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Brothers of Tangra
321
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:55:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote: are u sure i had 2 masb? Maybe i had just 1 masb due to a different fit and different tactic? Either way,trust me he was gonna win... And either way it does not make me bad
No but getting trolled so hard in local you came to make a post like this does.
One of the most important parts of pvp is being either a good troll or not falling for one, yep you were a skeredy cat who ran away but you're really shouldn't let someone get you so uptight you need to come to the forums for everyone else to tell you the same, just pretend you had a phone call in RL so had to leave. |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.08.16 22:08:00 -
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Jesus some people take this forum to seriously , i am not whining .. if anything its the opposite .. what ever honestly it doesn't even matter cause as far as i'm concerned i made the right call and came out with a win , just figured i'd share and see what other people say |
Fret Thiesant
Oregon Trail rising
32
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Posted - 2013.08.17 03:15:00 -
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That is called baiting. He's just trying to provoke you into a no win situation.
I believe the correct respone is to spam local with the killmail you got from killing his first ship. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
547
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:27:00 -
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:) you were plexing. So the aim is to 'win' the plex by capping it and getting the LP. You defended it against the merlin all good. Ran from the veng that you thought would win so you can plex somewhere else.
Did you get the plex in the end or did you leave the system and someone else got the plex?
All in all it depends on what your goals were. If you got thelp from the plex and ran good job. Achieved your goal and lost nothing. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Danny Kane
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:09:00 -
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You know, even if he had popped your ship and podded you, you would have lived to fight another day. We are immortals in this game... |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
551
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:42:00 -
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you do what you want to do, you do not need others approval for that. |
Fateamendabletochange
The Gaping Maw Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:45:00 -
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Hello, I rarely post on the forums but a friend told me about this post and he instinctively knew it was one of us and yes it was. So here I am with the TRUTH. Starbuck is a liar and a risk averse **** and will never enjoy the game fully.
For me winning a fight 5 to 1 and getting out with 90% heat and structure damge is what eve about. Taking risks getting the shakes. As you get more experience more risk and more challenges are the only thing that keep the shakes and the buzz.
Cowards die a thousand times befor they reach the grave.
Here is the entertaining chat log of local during this incident http://pastebin.com/k5uhmafz
Here is the combat logs to prove what I say is also truth, its large and unaltered me dicking in ammake as well http://pastebin.com/KSSpxj0r
Narrative of the actual events free of bullshit.
I engage an af in a t1 frig and die, I fight outgunned like this often its fun.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230275
I came back in an af I mean who does not take af to af 1v1s, the coward ran. Two brave pvpers with space honor came in a little out gunned but it was a close and good fight they used skill and correct ammo. I had to use heat was close hard to fight under 2 webs scram kitedGǪ.tuskers and black legion respect.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230961 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231623
I congratulated them on there efforts in local saying there had done well. Banter was exchanged. Starbuck and his coward friend chose this moment to strike at me as I looted.
He and his friends knew I was already damaged. Kestrel, slasher, thorax and the coward in his hawk came inn to attack I could of course run but cowards donGÇÖt run.
I pulled away from the warp in webbing the rax but I was neuted low and could not hold point as starbuck went into structure and got out ,If he had stayed I would of died as I had no cap but he chose to flee and left his 2 other friends to dieGǪ.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621
with chose the rax left against my af he thought his medium neuth and webs would not be enough to see me and rean as well! They could of killed me twice in that fight but nay they ran. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
547
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:54:00 -
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Fateamendabletochange wrote:Hello, I rarely post on the forums but a friend told me about this post and he instinctively knew it was one of us and yes it was. So here I am with the TRUTH. Starbuck is a liar and a risk averse **** and will never enjoy the game fully. For me winning a fight 5 to 1 and getting out with 90% heat and structure damge is what eve about. Taking risks getting the shakes. As you get more experience more risk and more challenges are the only thing that keep the shakes and the buzz. Cowards die a thousand times befor they reach the grave. Here is the entertaining chat log of local during this incident http://pastebin.com/k5uhmafzHere is the combat logs to prove what I say is also truth, its large and unaltered me dicking in ammake as well http://pastebin.com/KSSpxj0rNarrative of the actual events free of bullshit. I engage an af in a t1 frig and die, I fight outgunned like this often its fun. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230275I came back in an af I mean who does not take af to af 1v1s, the coward ran. Two brave pvpers with space honor came in a little out gunned but it was a close and good fight they used skill and correct ammo. I had to use heat was close hard to fight under 2 webs scram kitedGǪ.tuskers and black legion respect. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230961http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231623I congratulated them on there efforts in local saying there had done well. Banter was exchanged. Starbuck and his coward friend chose this moment to strike at me as I looted. He and his friends knew I was already damaged. Kestrel, slasher, thorax and the coward in his hawk came inn to attack followed by a thorax. I could of course run but cowards donGÇÖt run. I pulled away from the warp in webbing the rax but I was neuted low and could not hold point as starbuck went into structure and got out ,If he had stayed I would of died as I had no cap but he chose to flee and left his 2 other friends to dieGǪ. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621with chose the rax left against my af he thought his medium neuth and webs would not be enough to see me and rean as well! They could of killed me twice in that fight but nay they ran.
Hmm sounds like the OP got the bite he was fishing for from the e-bushido guy he killed. :)
+1 op you fight on your terms and get tears. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Whisper Gold
Iron Bull Technologies
0
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:28:00 -
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Hmm Starbuck does seem to be a coward not taking the 1v1 then just trying to gank |
Yakob
The Gaping Maw Heretic Initiative
5
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:36:00 -
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Op is a dog without honour! (In game) |
MH Toughandstuff
Realta Dorcha
0
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Posted - 2013.08.17 15:41:00 -
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AF vs AF sound even fight to me, why do you run?
chicken ))) |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:29:00 -
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Fateamendabletochange wrote:Hello, I rarely post on the forums but a friend told me about this post and he instinctively knew it was one of us and yes it was. So here I am with the TRUTH. Starbuck is a liar and a risk averse **** and will never enjoy the game fully. For me winning a fight 5 to 1 and getting out with 90% heat and structure damge is what eve about. Taking risks getting the shakes. As you get more experience more risk and more challenges are the only thing that keep the shakes and the buzz. Cowards die a thousand times befor they reach the grave. Here is the entertaining chat log of local during this incident http://pastebin.com/k5uhmafzHere is the combat logs to prove what I say is also truth, its large and unaltered me dicking in ammake as well http://pastebin.com/KSSpxj0rNarrative of the actual events free of bullshit. I engage an af in a t1 frig and die, I fight outgunned like this often its fun. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230275I came back in an af I mean who does not take af to af 1v1s, the coward ran. Two brave pvpers with space honor came in a little out gunned but it was a close and good fight they used skill and correct ammo. I had to use heat was close hard to fight under 2 webs scram kitedGǪ.tuskers and black legion respect. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19230961http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231623I congratulated them on there efforts in local saying there had done well. Banter was exchanged. Starbuck and his coward friend chose this moment to strike at me as I looted. He and his friends knew I was already damaged. Kestrel, slasher, thorax and the coward in his hawk came inn to attack I could of course run but cowards donGÇÖt run. I pulled away from the warp in webbing the rax but I was neuted low and could not hold point as starbuck went into structure and got out ,If he had stayed I would of died as I had no cap but he chose to flee and left his 2 other friends to dieGǪ. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19231621 the rax left he did not fancy his chances against my af, he thought his medium neut and webs would not be enough to see me dead and ran as well! They could of killed me twice in that fight but nay they ran.
So u cried in local now u come to cry on the forum? Dude u need to get a life.
This is a game Afterall and i really don.t care what people say , call me a coward , call me a liar , its all 0 . But hey if thats what gets your kicks in the game then have fun,u certanly proved u are pro at droping tears.
I am in no reason obligated to take any fight , even if i think i can win or not, therefore it doesnt make me a coward so your accusations are bad ,but it doesnt matter. I didnt lie about anything cause i have no reason to lie, i was working alone and the other guys u killed where not my friends , 2 where tuskers i believe,kestrel was cal mil and the thorax i have no ideea.
Not all players are dumb u know,and no one is obligated to fight u just to prove they are not cowards, so like i said in local that day .. deal with it
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Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
89
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:49:00 -
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Can we get a lock here or move it to C&P where e-honour is a relevant topic?! |
Mey Xing
Iron Bull Technologies
0
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:47:00 -
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The op seems to be the only one QQ here you tried to gank him with your friends and got owned? why not include that at the start its kinda reverant when talking about your cowardice |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Brothers of Tangra
322
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:50:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote: This is a game Afterall and i really don.t care what people say , call me a coward , call me a liar , its all 0 . But hey if thats what gets your kicks in the game then have fun,u certanly proved u are pro at droping tears.
So remind us, why did you come post this in the first place ? |
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