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Alexander Eisenhower
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
18
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:13:00 -
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Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.08.17 15:17:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex
A coalition is just two or more alliances that have made an agreement. How exactly do you want CCP to dump them? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1744
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:21:00 -
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I agree. We must nerf friends!! |
Alexander Eisenhower
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
18
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:28:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!!
Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? |
Ka'Narlist
Cronos Titan Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:32:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Yes, normal human behaviour. Humans allways bond together and form groups, alliances or coalitions. You see it in the real world and I have seen it in every world or empire building styled game so fare where you could win or loose everything due to wars.
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WarFireV
EveCorporation12315533 Pandemic Legion
110
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:37:00 -
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Coalitions have been in the game for a long ass time now(see GBC and RSF) nothing is going to change about them.
Also your idea of how politics works in this game is just silly. Spying makes this games a whole hell of alot more interesting and the people that actually do most of the double-crossing, tend to be the small fries and renters.
As for putting them in game, CCP should never make them officially in game. It would create less drama and give people an actual identity with their coalitions, more so than today. It should be up to the players themselves to do so. |
Alexander Eisenhower
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
18
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:39:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Yes, normal human behaviour. Humans allways bond together and form groups, alliances or coalitions. You see it in the real world and I have seen it in every world or empire building styled game so fare where you could win or loose everything due to wars.
You seem to be missing the point. I dont believe coalitions have anything todo with friendships. It has to do with who comes to help defend the Sovereign Space when the big dogs decide to take it. During peace time, the standing between the alliances with in a coalition may or may not be red. It doesnt make them friends, it makes them allies.
My problem is that this relationship is off grid. It is undocumented. You have to go off grid/ out of game to get the info and it may or may not be accurate. |
MEZZA Creire-Geng
TEC-NOLOGY Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:08:00 -
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unless your corp/alliance operate a NRDS(not red dont shoot) policy you should consider all neutrals (neg standing) potentially hostile and be either evasive or aggressive. as for blues who are your allies, ally (friend of friends) friendly caution is advised never not think awoxer. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:13:00 -
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Sometimes you get along with and want to play with others that while culturally similar and mostly enjoyable to fly with, are different enough that merging into a single alliance isn't sensible, and there are strategic or other compelling reasons to not shoot at each-other, even under friendly "gutfite" conditions. |
Max50
Parental Control
31
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:04:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex
One can think that since people are cowards in real life, they dont need to be in the internet.
They are wrong.
One can also think that people are sick off getting manipulated in real life and they might actually seek some kind of freedom in the internet spaceships, but they dont.
People love to get manipulated and lose their individuallity no matter what they say. |
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
535
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:26:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished.
That is a very Bushido thing of you to say.
Too bad your particular alliance uses spies aswell, making your honourable statement completely void. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4169
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Posted - 2013.08.18 01:04:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. That is a very Bushido thing of you to say. Too bad your particular alliance uses spies aswell, making your honourable statement completely void. He should quite and join an NPC corp, they never have spies. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1178
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:52:00 -
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There are many reasons to form coalitions. Think of a coalition as a joint venture among a handful of alliances that have a common goal, yet which to maintain their individual structures. For instance, let's say there are 7 alliances in a coalition. Each one of those has it's own leadership structure, fleet doctrines, ship replacement programs, cultures, etc etc. If instead they all merged into one alliance, then you have to agree on each one of those. Instead, the alliances decide to keep all of that as the status quo but unite for some common benefit, such as the defense of their sov, larger fleets, etc.
You can also think of a coalition as friends with benefits. There is no reason to tie the knot if you can both get what you want more informally. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4174
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:10:00 -
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Anyway even if CCP added coalitions (making the lives of a bunch of standing-setting people easier)... even if it worked we'd then end up with supercoalitions. Coalitions of coalitions (out of game, of course).
We'd probably have entire alt-alliances as well to lead the coalition. And then coalition disbanding antics. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1316
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:53:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
504
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:20:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented.
Bull.
Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more. CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1186
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:52:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented. Bull. Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more.
Stop being so mad about TEST and friends. It's just a game of space pixels. I think if you joined my corp, CFC, PL- anyone but TEST, you'd see that outside of your personal experience many people actually enjoy this game and enjoy their coalition friends. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4179
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:16:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Callduron wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented.
Bull. Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more. Stop being so mad about TEST and friends. It's just a game of space pixels. I think if you joined my corp, CFC, PL- anyone but TEST, you'd see that outside of your personal experience many people actually enjoy this game and enjoy their coalition friends. Just because you got rid of your friends and then your new friends (not even in a coalition with you,call it N3ST all you want, you apparently are valued less than renters) left you to die doesn't mean all coalitions are like "that" .
Take for example, the CFC. You can put all your carebears to work making that isk per hour gevlon goblin your hero was talking about. And paying rent, but hey you can make so much more than in lowsec. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:31:00 -
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I have tried over the last couple of months to save Callduron. Unlike my friends such as Jimmy the Test Free hangar cleaner, Iamien the former TEST logistics now my logistics director, or Daquaris the former TEST spymaster and programmer (and certified somer blink thief), Callduron decided to stick around for his "honor" as an FC.
Seriously, in my personal discussions with him, the only reason he never left was he felt no one ever in Eve would trust him again as an FC if he left TEST. It had nothing to do with loyalty or "fun."
I mean that's deluded. Who cares if you leave a **** alliance? Totally understandable.
Stop being so mad all the time and join us out in the rest of the Eve Universe- the other side that is having fun. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4183
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:34:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I have tried over the last couple of months to save Callduron. Unlike my friends such as Jimmy the Test Free hangar cleaner, Iamien the former TEST logistics now my logistics director, or Daquaris the former TEST spymaster and programmer (and certified somer blink thief), Callduron decided to stick around for his "honor" as an FC.
Seriously, in my personal discussions with him, the only reason he never left was he felt no one ever in Eve would trust him again as an FC if he left TEST. It had nothing to do with loyalty or "fun."
I mean that's deluded. Who cares if you leave a **** alliance? Totally understandable.
Stop being so mad all the time and join us out in the rest of the Eve Universe- the other side that is having fun. Is he a decent FC? He should post about the reasons why TEST is dying, get ragekicked from the group (ideally with his stuff evacced to Jita, though even the lowsec place they are living in now works) and then join PL.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1199
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:30:00 -
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I honestly have no idea if he's any good at all. You could give him 20 guys and give Scooter McCabe 20 guys, all with identical ships and I have no idea who would win. I suspect Scooter would because he thinks more outside the box. They both leads lots of fleets, but are more junior FC's I suppose.
There are a number of people throughout the war I tried to get to leave TEST or otherwise cause mischief there. Many followed through, while some did not. Some are still there, waiting for some things to fall into place.
I actually half wrote an article about how Erotica 1 won Fountain (half joking, but there are quite a number of interesting coincidences) but scrapped it since I can't write anywhere near as well as others such as James 315.
The reason for Callduron is he was the most vocal on the forums. I wanted to see the effect on morale if he publicly left and told us all why TEST was doomed. Interestingly, despite plenty of damning pics of convos he's had with various people discussing leaving test floating around the game, he's still there and trusted as ever. He might never steal or deliberately lose a fleet (again,) but he's certainly given lots of consideration to it. Hell, I would post chat logs if allowed here and TEST leadership would still do nothing LOL
I think BoodaBooda's forwarding of my evemail to Dreddit on the eve of losing Fountain is pretty damn hilarious. Had he taken things a bit more seriously and checked the evemail api's of the directors in TEST (as I alluded to in a convo with Booda), plenty of these hilarious thefts and other actions never would have happened. But I knew he wouldn't, because TEST just doesn't take that stuff seriously, as seriously as anyone should for an internet spaceship game at least.
As far as TEST forums, they are now deleting threads they feel are hurting morale- a sign things are pretty damn bad over there. Daquaris said it best. He said something to the effect that the TEST he loved so much was long gone and replaced with a bunch of idiotic trolling kids. Now, I didn't ever know the old TEST personally, but I know somewhat of how much it hurt him having to finally what he felt was home. And I feel bad for him, because he's a good guy, unlike so many of the others. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
WarFireV
EveCorporation12315533 Pandemic Legion
110
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Posted - 2013.08.18 16:35:00 -
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Why did this turn into a Test thread?
Test and a bunch of people in Test where terrible at a lot of things in this game. Then they collectively decided to jump off a cliff. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
543
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Posted - 2013.08.18 16:46:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:Why did this turn into a Test thread?
Test and a bunch of people in Test where terrible at a lot of things in this game. Then they collectively decided to jump off a cliff.
And THAT is the true story of how dinosaurs actually went extinct. |
Alexander Eisenhower
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:51:00 -
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Max50 wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex One can think that since people are cowards in real life, they dont need to be in the internet. They are wrong. One can also think that people are sick off getting manipulated in real life and they might actually seek some kind of freedom in the internet spaceships, but they dont. People love to get manipulated and lose their individuallity no matter what they say.
Glad to see I am not alone with my RL societal issues
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coldplasma
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:57:00 -
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Oh no this social construct of people talking to each other and making agreements is totally alien and bizarre to me. I'm outraged that CCP have allowed this extreme bullshit, can we get a GM in here? |
Dragon Outlaw
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
168
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:16:00 -
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Because CCP thinks big fights involving 4000 ships under 0.1% Tidi is cool! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
546
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:41:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Because CCP thinks big fights involving 4000 ships under 0.1% Tidi is cool!
But it was clearly stated that Coalitions are a player created thing, if it was CCP that thought it was cool, why wouldnt they make it official? [thus forcing players to make Super Coalitions which would generate 10000 ship battles]
I mean, I know you just wanted to make a snarky and sarcastic post, but it just didnt make any sense. :/ |
Iamsamsara
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.19 01:43:00 -
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CCP does support coalitions, does your alliance not have blue standings with other alliances, or agreements with other alliances? |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
546
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:12:00 -
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Iamsamsara wrote:CCP does support coalitions, does your alliance not have blue standings with other alliances, or agreements with other alliances?
I didnt say CCP was against coalitions, I just said they didnt make it an official mechanic, Dragon Outlaws post seemed to indicate CCP did make it an official mechanic.
Setting standings and having a coalition is not the same thing. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.08.19 05:09:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented. Bull. Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more.
you got bitter really quickly |
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