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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.08.21 10:16:00 -
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William Walker wrote:The only thing I am wondering is: how will it effectively get put into the EVE universe? Dust 514, in my opinion, still hasn't really connected with EVE.
Yet.
Look, I joined EVE about a month before Red Moon Rising, and since then it's grown and become something much greater than that. RMR turned EVE into a much bigger and more complete game than the first release version from 2003.
In the time since I joined this game, it's grown to include tech 2 ships, capitals, exploration and scan probes (since improved upon), the current fleet system, nine regions, wormhole space, six battlecruisers, four destroyers, the sov mechanic, bombs, overheating, TWO graphics revamps, heavy interdictors, electronic attack ships, black ops, marauders, jump freighters, Factional Warfare, Orcas, medals, Tech 3, epic mission arcs, sov overhaul, PI, Incursions, the Nocits, new avatars, CQ, fuel blocks, missile launchers, overhauled wardecs, mercenary marketplace, EWAR effects bar, new bounty system, crimewatch, the Venture, safety, revamped hacking...
you get the point. And that's not an exhaustive list.
Dust was formally released a mere three months ago. I know it feels longer than that because of the whole "open live beta" thing, but any complaints about the integration and completeness of DUST need to take into account the fact that it was only actually released on May 14th of this year, and it's only August now. 3 months. It's yet to have its first real expansion, let alone its equivalent of RMR or Apocrypha.
So it's hardly surprisng that DUST "still hasn't really connected with EVE" - it's a wailing newborn! However much bonding you can do with a three month old infant, you're not going to go fishing and drink beer with them for a few years yet. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
781
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Posted - 2013.08.21 10:59:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:They will move all their staff from Eve to valkyrie. Eve IS dying =(
someone didn't read the ign post
The 5 Devs who created EVR are moving to the Newcastle Office here in the UK 5 is not all.
It's a good trade for them .. Rancid Shark for Bacon Butties .. pure win. |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:20:00 -
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Dracnys wrote:Hope this will go along with new hirings in CCP. 4 games is a little too much with current staff I'd guess.
Really looking forward to trying this out. 4 games? DUST, EVE and what are the other two? |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
239
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:31:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:Dracnys wrote:Hope this will go along with new hirings in CCP. 4 games is a little too much with current staff I'd guess.
Really looking forward to trying this out. 4 games? DUST, EVE and what are the other two?
Vampire the masquerade i belive and valkyrie |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
582
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:45:00 -
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What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
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Tron 3K
Three Thousand Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:54:00 -
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I was watching the trailer.. And is this going to be a twitch game where you actually have to aim? Because from the looks of the video it seemed like the person was firing but really didn't have the target in sight but still killed it.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16164
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:02:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:I was watching the trailer.. And is this going to be a twitch game where you actually have to aim? Because from the looks of the video it seemed like the person was firing but really didn't have the target in sight but still killed it.... You shoot your regular weapons using a standard boresight reticle, but you also have missiles that are tied to where you look, so you can lock on to off-axis targets and blow them up that way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Tron 3K
Three Thousand Industries
31
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tron 3K wrote:I was watching the trailer.. And is this going to be a twitch game where you actually have to aim? Because from the looks of the video it seemed like the person was firing but really didn't have the target in sight but still killed it.... You shoot your regular weapons using a standard boresight reticle, but you also have missiles that are tied to where you look, so you can lock on to off-axis targets and blow them up that way.
I understand that but from the video some of those kills didn't look like they were from locked on missles.. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1820
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:26:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:Tippia wrote:Tron 3K wrote:I was watching the trailer.. And is this going to be a twitch game where you actually have to aim? Because from the looks of the video it seemed like the person was firing but really didn't have the target in sight but still killed it.... You shoot your regular weapons using a standard boresight reticle, but you also have missiles that are tied to where you look, so you can lock on to off-axis targets and blow them up that way. I understand that but from the video some of those kills didn't look like they were from locked on missles..
I /think/ the kill you're referring to, is one that actually came from your wing mate. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
583
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:33:00 -
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Less people to work on WiS. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
781
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:35:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
i'ts not an FPS it's a combat flight simulator Over the last 10 years how many people do you think have tried EvE, expecting gameplay and flight controls similar to that found in games like Tie Fighter, Wing Commander or Elite and then uninstalled EvE because it wasn't what they expected or wanted. because I think it's going to be a lot.
also pretty sure we just an eve focused update Odyssey I believe it was called |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:42:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2129
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:48:00 -
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why are people so determinedly eager to feel that CCP are abandoning and neglecting EVE?
And what's with this. "DUST HAS FAILED! IT HAS IT HAS IT HAS!!!" attitude?
Seriously, there's pessimism and then there's outright "I want the world to be a terrible place". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1803
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote.
You of all people Malc, know that what CCP says will happen at Fanfest, and what actually happens, are very different. Even then, I found myself generally uninspired by Seagull's keynote. I'm not really putting myself in the same boat as all these "Eve is dying" types, but I have been getting pretty bored the last few expansions, and judging by what CCP are 'saying' I will continue to stay bored with Eve for the foreseeable future.
Maybe I will have to re-watch her keynote, maybe I am just remembering it through mud-stain-tinted glasses, because I don't remember being excited. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Prince Kobol
877
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:09:00 -
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Pretty sure most bitter vets have learned to take what is said in fanfest with a pinch of salt, I know I have. |
Ozmodan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
6
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:18:00 -
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After the way CCP borked Dust 514, they should stick to Eve development. I don't know how many of you have tried Dust, but the common feeling about it is not very good. Most console players do not like it. It is just a bad design period. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2129
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:30:00 -
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THREE.
MONTHS.
Blood and thunder, I thought this game attracted patient, long-term thinkers who were capable of appreciating deferred gratification and trying something different. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
92
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:44:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:
i'ts not an FPS it's a combat flight simulator Over the last 10 years how many people do you think have tried EvE, expecting gameplay and flight controls similar to that found in games like Tie Fighter, Wing Commander or Elite and then uninstalled EvE because it wasn't what they expected or wanted. because I think it's going to be a lot.
also pretty sure we just an eve focused update Odyssey I believe it was called
I don't really understand this point, black prophecy, Jump Gate were these not twitch games, combat flight simulators or whatever, why don't we all just play games like these if this is what we want?
EVE isn't a twitch game and this to me looks like it wont be changing that - its a separate game.
Don't get me wrong I loved tie fighter when I was a kid, but EVE is a totally different gaming experience.
Personally I would be a lot more excited hearing about EVE expanding with features such as WIS, planetary flight and exploration and a host of other possibilities within EVE (becoming that all encompassing sci-fi simulator we keep hearing about), rather than another new game set in the EVE universe.
TBH I cant see Valkyrie being better than Star Citizen on the dogfight combat so is that going to mean its another niche product that only die hard eve fans are going to play. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
169
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:47:00 -
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How did they decide on the name? Is it final? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2131
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:48:00 -
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Norian Lonark wrote:TBH I cant see Valkyrie being better than Star Citizen on the dogfight combat so is that going to mean its another niche product that only die hard eve fans are going to play.
Again, spoken like somebody who hasn't played it.
Seriously. Nobody here has played SC, and maybe it will be better, we don't know. I have played EVR, and it was INSANELY good. I was bouncing like a teenager afterwards when I discussed it with one of the Rift developers. It's so good that despite being dirt poor I am absolutely determined to own a Rift now that I know Valkyrie is coming.
If SC turns out to be better than that then I will gladly concede the point, but we don't have any grounds to compare the two yet because nobody's played Star Citizen. You can't make any statements regarding the relative quality of the two games, the information just isn't available yet.
Would you please stop being so godsbedamned pessimistic? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Randey Miromme
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:02:00 -
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EVE is not and and never should be a twitch game. Twitch games bore me to tears. I can understand CCP wanting to grab more market share by expanding their "other" games but I just don't see it being something I would share my time with.
It is all eye candy, I am not impressed.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1647
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:06:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote. You of all people Malc, know that what CCP says will happen at Fanfest, and what actually happens, are very different. Even then, I found myself generally uninspired by Seagull's keynote. I'm not really putting myself in the same boat as all these "Eve is dying" types, but I have been getting pretty bored the last few expansions, and judging by what CCP are 'saying' I will continue to stay bored with Eve for the foreseeable future. Maybe I will have to re-watch her keynote, maybe I am just remembering it through mud-stain-tinted glasses, because I don't remember being excited.
Well, CCP Seagulls' speech was moving because of her high stress while delivering it, but all in all, the speech summarized about adding a different kind of space and the possibility to access it through player-built gates. Now, adding more space to a game whose issues are related to space usage rather than space availability doesn't makes much sense to me.
"Build gates, go there, do pew pew" totally sounds like more lowsec/nullsec crap. Now tell me how is that of use to the blooming population of hiseccers. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Iskander Phoenix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:07:00 -
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Everyone seems really hung up on this being part of the eve universe. I'm actually totally cool with this bei g stand alone. But set in eve rather then being connected to it. They could really explore the lore then :) |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2134
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:15:00 -
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I think the selling point of the EVE games really will be the interconnectivity and the fact that you're dealing with other players in emergent sandbox gameplay rather than effectively watching a movie where sometimes you fail and have to go back to the start of the chapter. It's not so much a "hangup" as it is the unique feature of the EVE brand.
I really do hope that Valkyrie will involve connecting to Tranquility, but we'll just have to wait and see on that score. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
296
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:18:00 -
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Iskander Phoenix wrote:Everyone seems really hung up on this being part of the eve universe. I'm actually totally cool with this bei g stand alone. But set in eve rather then being connected to it. They could really explore the lore then :)
Yeah, that happens everytime CCP does so much as fart in a direction that is not EVE Online.
Then the bittervets and soon to be's are all over the place "OMG, CCP is killing eve, I hate the world, nobody understands me!"
It's quite the little emo drama, amusing if a little repetitive. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2139
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:34:00 -
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Quote:t's quite the little emo drama, amusing if a little repetitive.
...and bleeding frustrating. I've been playing EVE for coming on eight years now, I love it, I'm emotionally invested in it...
My response to projects like DUST and Valkyrie is "Great!". I don't understand how EVE fans can be anything but enthusiastic about more EVE. New ways to get into the setting, new ways to interact with other players, new angles on the universe. When CCP turn their attention to expanding the setting in the hopes of pulling more people in, it makes me more confident about the future of EVE, not less. I don't see how somebody can bemoan and insult these projects and still call themselves fans of the game.
CCP are not stupid. Daring, yes, but they aren't idiots. They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't have good reason to believe it would turn out profitably and well in the long run.
Maybe Valkyrie and DUST don't turn out to be the huge blockbuster hits of 2013/14. Who cares? EVE wasn't the blockbuster MMO of 2003. But here we are, ten years on, still producing legends and awed news articles, still being awesome, still swaggering around needing a fleet of freighters to carry our enormous tungsten balls. This despite EVE originally being a buggy, badly optimised, barely-playable piece of crap all but devoid of content when it was released.
Maybe DUST isn't the AAA shooter of the year. But I'll make you a bet - I bet DUST will still be around at Fanfest 2023. If Valkyrie is TQ-based, I bet it will be there too. And I bet by then they'll both have carved their own legendary niche and produce BBC news articles, alongside their parent game.
If you don't believe in that and want to make it happen, why are you even playing this game? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:37:00 -
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If dust514 is any indicator, Valkyrie will be great in beta. Play it while it lasts, because the release build will scrap everything that works for half of a game. |
Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
126
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:39:00 -
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as an rp bear, I hope "Valkyries" are a new kind of implant/post-human, as Dusters are to ground and Capsuleers to bigger ships.
Oh, yeah, the game looks freaking amazing, too. I was going to get a rift anyway, so this is just icing upon cake. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11300
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:49:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:What, another shooter??
A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release. A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol) What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.
When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?
Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?
All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote. You of all people Malc, know that what CCP says will happen at Fanfest, and what actually happens, are very different. .
If you've been given access to NDA materials you need to aolert CCP immediately.
If not then.... no you don't know.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2140
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:50:00 -
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Andrea Okazon wrote:as an rp bear, I hope "Valkyries" are a new kind of implant/post-human, as Dusters are to ground and Capsuleers to bigger ships.
Well, the DUST implant is just the ability to clone without needing a contained environment like the capsule. So, there's nothing stopping a fighter pilot from using the exact same implant. The necessary difference is in skillset rather than cybernetics. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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