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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:37:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers. Yes, you're right. Every ganked miner ever in the history of EvE, got killed by 30 destroyers, every single time. *facepalm* please THINK before you post ! I know it's hard, but at least TRY ! The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?
Please follow your own advice and think before you post.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12208
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:54:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote: The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?
Please follow your own advice and think before you post.
Just stop posting entirely.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1316
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:02:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote: I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.
the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
163
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:14:00 -
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Hawkeyes comment got me thinking so I went and looked at the kb for exhumers killed by gankers - and of the 30 or so I looked at 22 had tanks. That means the message about tanking is getting through - however
All were on the kb because they got popped, by 2/3 or above groups of gankers.
So to the OP - good luck but unless you too get a group, you won't have a chance regardless of fit. Sorry I can't be more optimistic. I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:27:00 -
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Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP.
You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12208
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:37:00 -
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Tobias Hareka wrote:Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP. You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5. There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it? Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
5
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:42:00 -
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Thx Tobias - a ship fit. Will give it a go
Klandi - I hear what your saying. Hopefully when results start, then others might join in.
Azami - this has nothing to do about survival of the fittest, it is to do with CCP creating the conflict arena that sustains a virtual economy |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1154
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:43:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tobias Hareka wrote:Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP. You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5. There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it? Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference? sssshhhhhhhh...!!!
Stop speaking logic, it has no place in GD and might spread! I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Lucy Oreless
The Guardian Knights Lost Obsession
165
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:50:00 -
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Jumfat Kohlah wrote:Thank you Abyss, the only one that has posted constructive and pertinent feed back. It reminds me why I rarely post stuff on here
If you want constructive and/or pertinent feedback in a forum you should probably not write ******** dribble like that...
Because no matter how you try to put it, you are wrong per definition of the game developers. This is intended game-mechanics.. and if u play a game and don't agree with said mechanics in a game...u prob are playing the wrong game for you. I am not trying to be a smartass or troll here (a little lie there perhaps, but i mean well ). I just want you to understand that YOU have to learn to how to play the game, how to fit ure ship etc (to minimize risk of ganking in this case). If you loose a ship, that is YOUR fault and not CCP or the their game... It is you!
Adapt or die... thats all u ever have to know about EVE (besides the fact it is not made for everyone). _____________________________________________________________________________________ -áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman.... |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:59:00 -
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Jumfat Kohlah wrote:Will give it a go
Just remember to wait a bit before you start shooting so they get criminal flag first.
Some of them probably start complaining about it but they get used to it quite fast. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12209
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:04:00 -
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Please take your anti ganker ships to the belts, there's nothing quite like a target rich environment.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.
the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY
Yes because 30 was a figurative number. It could be 50 60 70. Let me dumb it down for those that seem to have ridden the short bus to school, or maybe still do.
Corps like the goonies will bring the dps they need to kill you. That number will vary and your tank will not matter only to the point of how many ships they used to gank you. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7614
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:30:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.
the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY Yes because 30 was a figurative number. It could be 50 60 70. Let me dumb it down for those that seem to have ridden the short bus to school, or maybe still do. Corps like the goonies will bring the dps they need to kill you. That number will vary and your tank will not matter only to the point of how many ships they used to gank you.
We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12209
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.
the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY Yes because 30 was a figurative number. It could be 50 60 70. Let me dumb it down for those that seem to have ridden the short bus to school, or maybe still do. Corps like the goonies will bring the dps they need to kill you. That number will vary and your tank will not matter only to the point of how many ships they used to gank you. We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge. Unless they're Velators, and even then 30 is overkill.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38395
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:41:00 -
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3 1/2 year Industrialist/ Miner here.
You "anti-gankers" are embarrassing the profession in here, and should be ashamed of yourselves.
I've never heard such useless ill-informed arguments.
Just don't be AFK and you'll be just fine. Oh.....but that's your point isn't it. You want risk-free AFK mining.
Sorry, but WoW and Minecraft are over thataway. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7615
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:3 1/2 year Industrialist/ Miner here.
You "anti-gankers" are embarrassing the profession in here, and should be ashamed of yourselves.
I've never heard such useless ill-informed arguments.
Just don't be AFK and you'll be just fine. Oh.....but that's your point isn't it. You want risk-free AFK mining.
Sorry, but WoW and Minecraft are over thataway.
Even minecraft has creepers |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.
the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY Yes because 30 was a figurative number. It could be 50 60 70. Let me dumb it down for those that seem to have ridden the short bus to school, or maybe still do. Corps like the goonies will bring the dps they need to kill you. That number will vary and your tank will not matter only to the point of how many ships they used to gank you. We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge. Right bc there is no profit in it. Should some one want to kill you they will regardless of tank if the ybring enuff dps and they dont care about cost.
A reasonable tank fit will prevent the noob gankers. I did see a kill mail of a corp mate few months back that was taken out by the goonies and he had a tanked Mackinaw.
Tanking does make you are harder target but it will not make you invunerable. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12210
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:51:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Right bc there is no profit in it. Should some one want to kill you they will regardless of tank if they bring enuff dps and they dont care about cost.
A reasonable tank fit will prevent the noob gankers. I did see a kill mail of a corp mate few months back that was taken out by the goonies and he had a tanked Mackinaw.
Tanking does make you are harder target but it will not make you invunerable.
You're right it doesn't, what it does do is encourage them to find easier targets, however most of the "victims" consider a tank of more than a small shield booster superfluous to requirements, for all intents and purposes that isn't a tank, it's not even a token gesture.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38396
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're right it doesn't, what it does do is encourage them to find easier targets, however most of the "victims" consider a tank of more than a small shield booster superfluous to requirements, for all intents and purposes that isn't a tank, it's not even a token gesture.
And I wish they would get walloped more frequently. Makes more and better marketing opportunities for myself |
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:54:00 -
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Don't bother with the gankers themselves just shoot the wrecks. |
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.22 05:11:00 -
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Here ya go kiddo, a great fit to "gank the gankers"....
Anything with a ton of sebos and scrams.
See, most gankers are outlaw and being chased by facpo. If you hold them up coming off a gate, or undock, Facpo will pop them. You'll even get the killmail credit!
Also, confirmed, every time CODE goes out a gankin', we bring 50+ gank ships. Don't worry about tank, it's totally useless, we'll just bring more. May as well yield-fit that Makinaw and go watch MLP. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3918
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Posted - 2013.08.22 05:52:00 -
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Here's some options. The first one will about 2 shot a gank Catalyst, so you can use it to kill several over the course of a gank, potentially preventing them from killing anything. The second will jam out an average of around 2-2.5 catalysts, again, potentially preventing them from killing anything.
These can both probably be improved, but ::effort::
[Tornado, Protect Ze Miners]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
[Blackbird, Grr Goons]
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2911
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Posted - 2013.08.22 05:56:00 -
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Every once in a while when I'm particularly bored, I'll run a suicide alt from Amarr to Jita and blow up whoever has the audacity to scan me.
It has it's amusing moments.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
5
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Posted - 2013.08.22 08:58:00 -
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RubyPorto - you sir are a gentleman and a scholar. *bows*
I will put these together and get my pvp in them asap
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1657
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Posted - 2013.08.22 09:11:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Solstice Project wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers. Yes, you're right. Every ganked miner ever in the history of EvE, got killed by 30 destroyers, every single time. *facepalm* please THINK before you post ! I know it's hard, but at least TRY ! The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank? Please follow your own advice and think before you post.
Of all the miners I've killed, none had a tank. Of the two that failed, the first one was my first attempt and I forgot to overheat my guns, and the second one was a tanked Hulk that we brought two (read: not thirty) Catalysts for, but failed because my corpmate accidentally targeted and shot the wrong ship, an Orca. I've soloed plenty of Hulks that had no tank, a few easily worth over a billion each, including pod and implants, with a ship that cost less than 20 mil.
I have only ever seen a fleet of destroyers as large as you are suggesting once, and they were after an Orca. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1657
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Posted - 2013.08.22 09:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Every once in a while when I'm particularly bored, I'll run a suicide alt from Amarr to Jita and blow up whoever has the audacity to scan me. It has it's amusing moments. Mr Epeen
smartbombing industrials? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7624
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Posted - 2013.08.22 09:25:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Every once in a while when I'm particularly bored, I'll run a suicide alt from Amarr to Jita and blow up whoever has the audacity to scan me. It has it's amusing moments. Mr Epeen smartbombing industrials?
HAM is the future. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38509
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Posted - 2013.08.22 11:54:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Of all the miners I've killed, none had a tank.
I find my fellow miner's posted tanks on killboards an embarrassment to the profession.
It's astonishing, it really really is.
Honestly hard to believe some of them. Actually all of them.
I don't even understand why they play this game at all, as even basic rules of attempted survival are utterly ignored. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1150
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Posted - 2013.08.22 12:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We will not use 30+ ships to kill a single barge.
30 Velators would be hilarious still *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Juan Diolosa
High-Sec Suckaz
0
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Posted - 2013.08.22 13:57:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Q ships Capital idea Herzog. Armed with Phaser-Gs, Fusions, and a hangar full of Stinger-IIs :) |
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