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Amaii Templ
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Posted - 2005.12.31 07:43:00 -
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I think I've found a big plothole.
From the description of Tritanium:
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The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable
metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at
atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.
Note, first, 'temperatures'? What the hell do they mean? You can have any temperature in space, or any temperature in an atmosphere. Temperature and the presence or abscence of an atmosphere are divorced. I think they meant to say "Pressures."
Anyway, we'll assume that the word "Temperatures" in the quote is a mistranslation from the coder's native tongue, and the word they meant to use was "pressure." This would seem to indicate that at an atmospheric pressure (presumably meaning any atmospheric pressure capable of sustaining human life,) tritanium is unstable. Okay, we can grok that.
However, stations and ships are made primarily out of what? Trit. Stations and ships, moreso stations than ships nowadays with the pods, are made to sustain what? Human life. Humans need atmospheric pressures to survive, hence the stations must be pressurized. We know that they are pressurized and full of air, because in stations, we can see very large battlecruiser-sized ventilation shafts, complete with rotating fans so you can't say it's a shuttle access tube. If not for the moving of gas, a fan has no purpose, except possibly to create the funky light effect. I'm going to assume that the ultra-practical Caldari, for whom the axiom "Form follows function" are words to live and die by, are not going to waste the space and resources on making a fan vent just for the funky lighting effect. Also, if you look below your ships, in many stations you will see roadway surfaces, presumably for foot and road traffic, and indeed on some large stations, it DOES have roadway traffic going through.
Conclusion: Starbases are in fact pressurized, even their landing bays.
Therefor: Tritanium cannot be unstable at atmospheric pressures, otherwise the ships would deform and/or explode when in dock.
This leaves us with the "temperatures" word, which is equally ridiculous. For anything to sustain human life, it must be at the temperatures that humans are going to flourish in. Therefor, the same arguments apply; the inside of the stations maintain the temperatures commonly found on those planets that sustain human life.
Therefor: The description of Tritanium is patently false.
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Kala Taki
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Posted - 2005.12.31 07:52:00 -
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Congrats on your research.
Perhaps the trit is used as a super structure, away from atmosphere. Just becuase it is made mostly of trit does not mean it contains trit in sensitive areas.
Ie... not all of a H-bomb is radioactive.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.12.31 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 31/12/2005 07:56:11
From the description of dreadnaughts in the item database:
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Big scary things
They don't scare me!
Fix this please!
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Luzon Ziming
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Posted - 2005.12.31 08:01:00 -
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Maybe Processed Tritanium can be in an atmosphere.
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Amaii Templ
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Posted - 2005.12.31 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Edited by: Ras Blumin on 31/12/2005 07:56:11
From the description of dreadnaughts in the item database:
Quote:
Big scary things
They don't scare me!
Fix this please!
/signed
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.12.31 08:47:00 -
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You have far too much time in your hands. Play more EVE you! |
Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.31 09:13:00 -
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I must bring this topic up on next fanfest 
Azuriel Talloth: If it ain't broke, change it so it mildly annoys the playerbase  |
Shinnen
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Posted - 2005.12.31 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: SULAN BARHIR
You have far too much time in your hands. Play more EVE you!
Play more, I think he's had too much 
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.12.31 10:26:00 -
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maybe its unstable at around 0 degrees and solid at more then -100C/+100C
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Bongo Smith
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Posted - 2005.12.31 10:30:00 -
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Double hull, anyone? Outer, Tritanium hull for strength, and an inner hull made of whatever that actually keeps the pressure/temperature.
I suspect the author meant that in a typical breathable atmosphere, at typical breathable temperatures, Trit is unstable (which would mean it reacts most likely with oxygen). That can be fixed with a coat of paint.
I'm more worried about the jet-engined, lift-wing equipped cruise missiles we have. A jet engine sucks in air from the front, or it's not a jet engine, and a lift-generating wing in space is, well, a bit useless.
And there's no point in pointing out there's the Ether we all seem to be flying around in: Lift wing still needs an "up", which is usually lacking in space, even if it's full of Ether.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.31 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kala Taki
Congrats on your research.
Perhaps the trit is used as a super structure, away from atmosphere. Just becuase it is made mostly of trit does not mean it contains trit in sensitive areas.
Ie... not all of a H-bomb is radioactive.
but all of a shuttle is trit 
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:20:00 -
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Ah yes I remember reading that..
They are going to have to change that, with Kali, becuase afaik, they are planing on allowing us to fly down to planets at somepoint..
So what about just changing it to:
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The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal.
To be honest, I think maybe they added that so they would not have to do planet flight.. ;)
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:26:00 -
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Next you must find out why we dont crash into planets though we obviously warp through them 
And then figure out why battleships go slower in space even though their engines are huge and there is no matter stopping or slowing them down
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:26:00 -
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Wizards did it :o
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Fortior
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:27:00 -
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I'm hoping (and think) they will release new ships for atmospheric flight. A Raven or Moa are hardly the most aerodynamic of ships, not to mention a tad massive and heavy. I'm guessing we'll see pod-fitted fighters and bombers (sort of our jetfighters and bombers), not frigs and cruisers. That would make planetary flight a whole new ball game, which is good imho.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amaii Templ
I'm going to assume that the ultra-practical Caldari, for whom the axiom "Form follows function" are words to live and die by, are not going to waste the space and resources on making a fan vent just for the funky lighting effect.
We use it for cutting off the heads of Gallenteans. They're big so we can decapitate lots of them all at once.
But seriously, I think most of us read it when we first started playing EVE, then said "that's stupid" and ignored it ever since then.
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Daac Iomen
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:34:00 -
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Pod Pilot = Life support + warp core in one small package.
No need for a pressurized internal hull at all in the pod equipped ships. The stations, well, that's a bit different...but since we don't build true NPC stations, we don't know how much trit is actually in them.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Daac Iomen
No need for a pressurized internal hull at all in the pod equipped ships.
The ships still need pressure for the rest of the crew.
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Shadow Silvermoon
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:46:00 -
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I thought all the boring tasks (I.e. Reloading, cargo exchange) were done by the ships computer
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Ithoriel
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Posted - 2005.12.31 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The ships still need pressure for the rest of the crew.
The rest of what crew? D**n - there are stowaways on my ship! 
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.12.31 12:10:00 -
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I've always assumed that the tritanium is combined with other minerals in the manufacturing process to make whatever alloys are needed.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius
Wizards did it :o
If there is no explanation IT WAS THE WIZARDS. 
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Yaell
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:22:00 -
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Agree with the atmospheric temperature thing. That makes practically no scietific sense whatsoever.
However I dont think that trit being unstable at atmospheric pressure is a big problem. Because after all you wouldnt use a raw material on its own in any structure (generally) it would be an alloy of metals and in that case they can get rid of that unsatisfactory property through the alloying process.
Take the example of iron or zinc, on its own its fine and has its uses, however its uses expand exponentially when you use it in alloys with other metals.
However atmospheric temperature should be corrected to atmospheric pressure ;)
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ithoriel
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The ships still need pressure for the rest of the crew.
The rest of what crew? D**n - there are stowaways on my ship!
Don't panic- there are no other crew.
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Saelek
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:32:00 -
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But what about the Fedo! someone please think of the Fedo 
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:38:00 -
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Have you ever considered chewing on rusty staples as an alternative to working things out?
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.31 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gonada on 31/12/2005 14:12:52
Therefor: Tritanium cannot be unstable at atmospheric pressures, otherwise the ships would deform and/or explode when in dock.
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here look at earth and real life reentry a sec.
shockwaves created by any orbiter are subject to stagnation heating. The temperatures are well over 2500¦F for much of the reentry period.
no metal, can stand that kinda reentry for long, especially not for vehicles that are designed in space for space only.
add in wind sheer effects on superheated metal, and well,...boom"
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The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable
metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at
atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.
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as for trits description, I dont see anything about it at all that is wrong.
this is a fantasy setting, so it is plausable, besides, if you have been keeping up to date on space tech and future tech, youll find that there are indeed some very high strength carbon nano-metals that can only be made in space.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.12.31 14:22:00 -
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I always understood it as it being unstable at atmospheric temperatures, meaning unstable in planetary enviroments, not in space. And since Trit is used only in space stations/ships (as far as we know) it's correct.
Anyways, that's how I choose to understand it.
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Tarack
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Posted - 2005.12.31 14:32:00 -
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Hmmm and also seems to me that everyone missed the one big thing that does not make sence, "the World". It should read "the galaxy". My biggest pet peeve in eve. We dont live in the world, we live in the galaxy.
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2005.12.31 15:13:00 -
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trit could be exactly like aluminium(sp?) is on earth. aluminium in its natural form will oxidise extremely fastnd can be come unstable. but made into an alloy we get all kinds of super strong and malable metals for aircraft frames and skin to our pop cans to super strong but ultra light pipe wrenches. as well as egine blocks. the list goes on and on.
so its pheasable to say that trit and let say pyrite form a alloy that is usable in starship construction.
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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