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Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:16:00 -
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Hello again.
In my short period of time spent in EVE i've had many propositions for buddy invites. People are asking me if I intend to make an alt anytime soon. While I reject these offers, it did put me to thinking.
Split focus between characters, and effectively covering two roles at the same time.
Since I intend to, after pondering on this quite a bit, keep Ruby heading towards exploration (Helios) and combat (Assault ships) I can see the benefit of having one character geared towards industrial tasks.
Considering how semi afk mining can be done and after looking at the market value for minerals and the rate advanced mining ships can reel these in it may be useful but I am still very much in doubt.
For those out there reading this who have multiple accounts, could you share some points of insight as to why I should or should not consider this?
Thank you very much for your time. |
Rahmiro
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
44
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:26:00 -
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Multiple accounts can open up additional income streams while not taking away focus on your main.
2nd account:
Mining if you enjoy that. PI is always popular. Salvage on 2nd account ( train for the Noctis). Trading if that's you thing. Hauler. Just a few examples. Industry is great income if you take time to learn the markets and such.
Long run consideration is a 2nd account to support your pvp: The always hated Falcon alt or any of the recon ships. Logistics pilots is always welcome but takes experience to pew and logi multibox. Some frown on this.
2nd account is a good idea. I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1366
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:36:00 -
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instead of writing a long list of reasons for a second account, i will just write a short list against it: - if you only have one screen, alt-tabbing between two eve windows can be annoying - even if you have two screens, you can drag one eve window across both so you have more room for chat windows etc. - paying for two accounts hits your wallet twice as hard (d'uuh) - having to split your attention can sometimes lead to embarrassing and/or rage inducing ship losses
if you are ok with all these downsides, feel free to friend invite yourself (or shoot me a message ;))
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:07:00 -
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I see.
The upsides are that your main character can be steered more immediately towards a designated goal with hardly any side tracking, providing the same for your alt.
Combat/Exploration on one character, and a PvE/ISK generating focus on the secondary one.
In my case, Ruby could build mostly for combat and grab the odd buck with exploration, and a potential alt can mine, manufacture, freight.
I reckon it would also be a handy investment for 'solo' travelling through unsafe zones, using the alt to jump ahead and detect trouble for me.
The downsides for a single-monitor user such as me is the alt-tabbing, if my system would not be able to manage that adequately, which is something it should easily be able to do.
Food for thought. I may postpone getting a second account, on the other hand starting early would simply mean both accounts would more or less achieve their respective goals simultaniously. |
Na Und
Galactronics
38
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:12:00 -
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Minority opinion here: if you have two accounts (regardless of how they are paid for) to play a single game on the internet, then there are other aspects of life you need to examine. |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:14:00 -
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Na Und wrote:Minority opinion here: if you have two accounts (regardless of how they are paid for) to play a single game on the internet, then there are other aspects of life you need to examine.
Exactly why would you state such a thing?
We each play games for entertainment purposes, and dedicate a particular amount of time to it.
If a secondary account would double my time spent I may have remotely agreed with you, but since both can be played simultaniously and later on, funded with ingame currency (thus not affecting my spending pattern in any way, shape or form) your statement makes little to no sense. |
Na Und
Galactronics
38
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:19:00 -
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I'll agree, value is subjective. I stated it was my opinion . . . toggling between accounts appears (again, to me) more work than play. |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:21:00 -
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Na Und wrote:I'll agree, value is subjective. I stated it was my opinion . . . toggling between accounts appears (again, to me) more work than play.
Then I must apologise, seeing how I was in the process of assuming you more or less insulted people with multiple accounts or those who are considering it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4004
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:22:00 -
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There's no reason you can't start a second character on the one account to earn your trade income. If necessary use the dual training boost.
There's also no reason your combat oriented main can't be your major breadwinner.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Na Und
Galactronics
38
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:27:00 -
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Ruby Pyrenne wrote:Na Und wrote:I'll agree, value is subjective. I stated it was my opinion . . . toggling between accounts appears (again, to me) more work than play. Then I must apologise, seeing how I was in the process of assuming you more or less insulted people with multiple accounts or those who are considering it.
I may come across as too harsh, but yeah, I was insulting. |
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Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:33:00 -
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Na Und wrote:Ruby Pyrenne wrote:Na Und wrote:I'll agree, value is subjective. I stated it was my opinion . . . toggling between accounts appears (again, to me) more work than play. Then I must apologise, seeing how I was in the process of assuming you more or less insulted people with multiple accounts or those who are considering it. I may come across as too harsh, but yeah, I was insulting.
Then I shall hereby mildy slap you across the face. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
211
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:37:00 -
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The first rule of alts: if you don't know what to do with it, you don't need it. When you have a clear goal for an alt's purpose and consider it within your budget, then go ahead, keep an eye on side-kick offers or such, but don't go making one just for the sake of having an alt, the clearer the goal, the easier you'll be able to skill it efficiently with proper use of remaps and possibly implants, but an alt needs assets too at times, so you need to be able to fund it before it can do its job. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
146
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:43:00 -
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A second account (or more) is required IMHO if you plan on taking pvp seriously, as they are essential for a multitude of tasks beyond mining or indy to finance your pew. You definately need not only a second account but second screen (dual boxing) so said alt can be flown at the same time as your main, seamlessly, and scout jumps ahead of you or just provide warefare link boosts or logi as an added touch.
Thats what you are competing against, and that is the harsh reality of EvE pvp, a single account simply doesn't cut it to be any good at it, you need to dual (multi) box.
F Would you like to know more? |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:40:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:A second account (or more) is required IMHO if you plan on taking pvp seriously, as they are essential for a multitude of tasks beyond mining or indy to finance your pew. You definately need not only a second account but second screen (dual boxing) so said alt can be flown at the same time as your main, seamlessly, and scout jumps ahead of you or just provide warefare link boosts or logi as an added touch.
Thats what you are competing against, and that is the harsh reality of EvE pvp, a single account simply doesn't cut it to be any good at it, you need to dual (multi) box.
F While I agree with what has been granted to me in the previous posts I am not certain I can fully agree with your insights.
Obviously I am new, but scouting, logistics and the like are roles that friends can also fulfill, or I can do it for others when the time comes. Making ISK however, is something I should manage solo and while the added usefulness of scouting with an alt is a bonus, I do not think it is mandatory.
I will however, not brush your input aside and instead keep it in consideration, but for the moment I will respectfully disagree with it being a must. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:04:00 -
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Eve is a competition, having more than one account allows you to operate in a more efficient manner and therefore allows you to be more competitive. But as was mentioned have a clear goal with the character otherwise you are just wasting time/money.
Ruby Pyrenne wrote: Making ISK however, is something I should manage solo and while the added usefulness of scouting with an alt is a bonus, I do not think it is mandatory.
Take your BC or BS to Low/Null without a scout before you decide whether or not it is "mandatory". |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:11:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Eve is a competition, having more than one account allows you to operate in a more efficient manner and therefore allows you to be more competitive. But as was mentioned have a clear goal with the character otherwise you are just wasting time/money. Understood. I do have a goal in mind, and a plan in the making in EVEmon. She would be a valued sidekick.
Donbe Scurred wrote:Take your BC or BS to Low/Null without a scout before you decide whether or not it is "mandatory". I hear your reasoning here, but I yet again have to raise you: friends. This is afterall, an MMO.
The initial feedback I agree with in full, the latter can be covered alt-less. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:19:00 -
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There's no arguing with "the best ship is friendship", it's just that they aren't always around and an alt is. Even if you do have friends scouting for you, it never hurts to have an extra set of eyes. |
Rahmiro
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
45
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:22:00 -
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In the end it's a personal decision. I play with guys who have a single account and I play with guys with 7+ accounts. Personally I have 3. I can afford 3 comfortably, Eve is a pretty inexpensive form of entertainment and it keeps me out of the bars mostly. I've thought about a forth but have no good reason for it.
I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:23:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:There's no arguing with "the best ship is friendship", it's just that they aren't always around and an alt is. Even if you do have friends scouting for you, it never hurts to have an extra set of eyes. Truth. A slight overlook on my behalf and a short sighted assumption to believe I would always be able to have everyone at the ready when I intend to move from spot to spot.
In retrospect, a tad silly to not consider this.
Rahmiro wrote: In the end it's a personal decision. I play with guys who have a single account and I play with guys with 7+ accounts. Personally I have 3. I can afford 3 comfortably, Eve is a pretty inexpensive form of entertainment and it keeps me out of the bars mostly. I've thought about a forth but have no good reason for it.
Costwise it is a no-issue for me as well, even if I wasn't able to manage my first ISK-for-PLEX purchases.
I'm close to convinced now. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:40:00 -
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Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
Costwise it is a no-issue for me as well, even if I wasn't able to manage my first ISK-for-PLEX purchases.
I always smile when people talk about considering the cost of this game, IMO its very cheap for it's entertainment to cost ratio and I gladly pay for it. Paying for three accounts on a yearly sub costs about $1 per day. If you can't afford that or its even a consideration you probably shouldn't be spending time playing video games.
More power to you if you can manage to plex your account(s) on a monthly basis, but be aware that has the potential to turn it into a job. |
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:25:00 -
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If you have even the slightest inclination of wanting a carrier or other jump capable capital ship at some point in your career, then you'll want at least one other account for it to light cyno's.
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Orlacc
382
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:28:00 -
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I have a few accounts which are active or inactive as my whims dictate...can be a lot of fun. Not work as some suggest. If you raise up an alt, you may decide to sell them someday as well. (sniff) "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Mikel Kashada
Conclav3 of Shadow5
0
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:10:00 -
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Is a second account better than having a dual character? Also, it seems that they charge more for the ability to train a second character than for a second account. Am I missing something?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2919
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:19:00 -
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There are certain times that it is advantageous to have an alt, if only to get you doing what you want to be doing quicker.
For example, if you want to make a manufacturing character that can mine/refine a few rocks and also be able to fly a freighter to haul everything to and from your facility, you can well do it.
But you'll get into business a lot quicker if you have a builder, a miner and a hauler all training at the same time. In this case you could even do it all on one acct with the new dual training scheme CCP has launched. For many, it's just easier to do that than spend two years training all the skills onto one character.
There are other examples I could give, but it really boils down to time. It's a lot better, from a time management perspective, to train a few specialists at the same time than spend three times as long making a character that can do it all.
So, while it's by no means mandatory to have multiple characters, it can certainly get you where you want to be a little quicker.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:36:00 -
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Thank you all.
My sidekick is born, and already I'm happy I chose to do so.
Once again, all the constructive feedback is greatly appreciated, I'm amazed how friendly this community is for a game that's advertised and known to be harsh and cold.
Cheers. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:34:00 -
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You were friendly, took an insult in stride and posted constructively, start whining and shiptoasting and you will see another side of the forums |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:38:00 -
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Mikel Kashada wrote:Is a second account better than having a dual character? Also, it seems that they charge more for the ability to train a second character than for a second account. Am I missing something?
Well, the advantage of the second account is that you can have both online at the same time. If you want to keep both "forever", a second account is much better than dual training.
The disadvantage of a second account is that, when you stop paying, you have to either pay 20$ to transfer the character to your main account or you'll become unable to use him completely. While with dual training, when you stop paying, you can still use that character (just not train him simultaneously).
E.g. if you just want a station trading alt to save on taxes, dual training is better, as you don't need many skills for that.
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
212
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:54:00 -
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Ruby Pyrenne wrote:Thank you all.
My sidekick is born, and already I'm happy I chose to do so.
Once again, all the constructive feedback is greatly appreciated, I'm amazed how friendly this community is for a game that's advertised and known to be harsh and cold.
Cheers. You never have enough alts, the major trouble is allocating the roles to either a secondary slot on one account or to another account, so the ones that require a particular character to be online at the same time can effectively do so. Then you also need to take into consideration (unless you run dual character training on the account) what role you want it to perform and stick to it, train just what you need and don't waste it by skilling something you could have done on another character ... starts feeling like EVEception at this point.
Also... I grew fond of my herd...
Regarding the community, it's your attitude that does it for the most. Also, NCQ&A is the one friendly parcel of the forums, once you go places like GD or C&P it's all down the drain, don't be mistaken . "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.23 13:13:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote: Regarding the community, it's your attitude that does it for the most.
Thank you, I consider that a sizeable compliment, considering I am simply being me. |
Mikel Kashada
Conclav3 of Shadow5
0
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Posted - 2013.08.24 01:40:00 -
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So, if I have two accounts and run them at the same time, can I run them on one computer, or do I need two computers? If one, can I run a different one on different monitors? |
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Ruby Pyrenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.24 02:13:00 -
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They can operate on the same computer, single screen, no problem.
And you could have both clients open split between screens. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
212
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Posted - 2013.08.24 09:26:00 -
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Mikel Kashada wrote:So, if I have two accounts and run them at the same time, can I run them on one computer, or do I need two computers? If one, can I run a different one on different monitors? Not if you play in full screen, if you want to shuffle your clients around, you will have to switch to windowed mode. EDIT: I don't see how to shuffle them around in fixed window mode either, but maybe someone has an idea. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
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