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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:14:00 -
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Space is dangerous.
Radiation, meteorites moving at 100 miles a second. Black holes, Super novas, Planets and moons breaking up. Stations being hit and damaged or destroyed.
Eve lacks all these things, it's become a static, boring universe that the developers can't seem to expand. You're limited to warping to objects, no ability to free warp in a given direction. T1 Ships have been redesigned for specific roles, which pretty much ruins the ability to use any ship for a given job.
They depend on their clientele to provide depth, instead of actually providing any themselves. The problem with that is, what happens when everyone is sitting around waiting to see what the other guys are doing? What happens when the actual population is more alts than mains?
They seem inclined to invest lots of time in making things shinier without adding anything to the game. Unfortunately their hardware seems to have more issues handling all these changes, forcing them to lower the cap in Jita, and spreading fleet lag all over the universe. They've spent the last year trying to fix mechanics that have been broken for years, with mixed results. Meanwhile, many other issues continue to plague the game. Broken grids have been around for years, and yet CCP seems incapable or unwilling to bother fixing such a huge bug.
So how about it CCP, want to try and invest a little time in actually "expanding" the game? Or are you determined to have us play shiny ships online, now with more tidi?
Rant over, let the flames begin....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
461
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:37:00 -
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It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone? R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
194
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:44:00 -
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Ioci wrote:It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?
Yeah because NASA would inform the public that these things, that no one cares about, have happened.
@OP
The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it. |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
144
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:46:00 -
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Confirming: Eve should be more like real life. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2642
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:52:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Space is dangerous.
Radiation, meteorites moving at 100 miles a second. Black holes, Super novas, Planets and moons breaking up. Stations being hit and damaged or destroyed.
Doesn't sound like space is dangerous to me. It sounds like the things in the space are the danger.
CCP, we need moar things!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1532
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:55:00 -
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::Stands up in the back row:: And the stations are way too small compared to the size of the ships! How do all of these big ships docking fit in there? Where's the room for the factories and labs for manufacturing? And all that junk I store in my hangar? Honestly, that always bugs me. ::Sits back down:: |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:55:00 -
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Day by day, it's slowly catering towards the casual players who want risk-free AFK game...
It's getting safer and safer... I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
3929
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:10:00 -
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Black Holes aren't any more dangerous than any other body of the same mass. If the sun were replaced tomorrow by a 1 solar mass black hole tomorrow, nothing would happen (well, we'd all freeze to death, but apart from that...).
Planets and Moons don't just randomly break up. It, in fact, takes an absurd amount of energy to take apart a planet.
Super Novas are only dangerous if you're a spacefaring race who can't use a telescope (Don't go visiting Supernova candidates... duh).
Gamma Ray Bursts are, of course, terrifying. Imagine a Supernova where all the energy released was expressed as a Gamma Radiation Laser shooting out the (former) poles of the star. One of them which had an abnormally large visible light component was visible to the naked eye... from 7.5 Billion Light Years away. To put that in perspective, the farthest naked-eye-visible object on permanent display is the Triangulum Galaxy shining in from 2.9 Million Light years away.
The best part is that, since they're one off events and invisible from outside the beam, the first one we find inside the Milky Way is the end of life as we know it.
Anyway, my Kerbals are quite happy not having to dodge micrometeorites and such. My stations are generally too big and part heavy to do any dodging. Plus, Kerbals are terrible at EVAs, so patching that monopropellant tank before it explodes would be a nightmare. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
164
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:11:00 -
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Eve is based on submarine physics. Tiny particles of death can't exist in that environment. The fact that all ships have a shield and armor should cover the rest of your dangerous ideas.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
538
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:13:00 -
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There are thousands of empty systems in low/null/WHspace. Get out of highsec. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
557
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:14:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:What happens when the actual population is more alts than mains?
Happened quite some time ago.
I do agree with you, in a general sense, roundabout sort of way, and i like cheese and Battleships are fun |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
211
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:17:00 -
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Fly thru Rancer in badger loaded with shinies. New CQ prototype |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
3929
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:28:00 -
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Ioci wrote:It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
Our space stations and satellites get hit by debris constantly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Space_debris_impact_on_Space_Shuttle_window.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS-118_debris_entry.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Mir_on_12_June_1998edit1.jpg (Rightmost Solar Panel shows most obvious damage) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision
The ISS is literally armor plated to handle the small debris it's hit by constantly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_shielding and has to play "dodge the bullet" with bullets moving over 10 km/s (The fastest rifle bullet only makes it to .4km/s) while the astronauts sit in the escape pods playing "hope HAL doesn't use the escape pod as a shield today" whenever something bigger decides to pop by: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7940431.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13949956
Quote:We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
Interplanetary space is pretty damn empty. Even the asteroid belt, which is one of the denser areas of interplanetary space, is about 4% the mass of the moon spread between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter (a really long damn way). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38648
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:35:00 -
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Ioci wrote:It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?
Is CONCORD really a Year Zero Fascistic entity ? Kinda ominous. |
ChironV
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:37:00 -
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To make this game any more dangerous CCP would have to send a hitman to visit your home and stab you in the chest the next time you space AFK in a Tengu with a billion or so in fitting. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
463
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:03:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote:Ioci wrote:It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone? Yeah because NASA would inform the public that these things, that no one cares about, have happened. @OP The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it.
You make it seem like the game was written in some forgotten, 2000 year old glyph based language or something. C+ I'm guessing? a dozen developers could rewrite every line of code in a year and would have a comprehensive understanding of why things function the way they do and I'm certain there are plenty of developers in CCP that have a complete understanding of the EVE Online engine. I might not but it doesn't mean they don't. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Vladimir Gurney
Rising Force Chronos Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:10:00 -
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I wanna see ships vent atmosphere along with crew members getting sucked out |
Cauldron Asai
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:10:00 -
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head to goon space and yell "i love test" till someone comes to discuss it with you.. you'll get some "Rads" for sure |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:13:00 -
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Yes. There should be a supernova each month, that destroys all assets within 10 jumps. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
586
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:23:00 -
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Agreed. We need a new dynamic space weather system, it'll make the game more fun and annoy bots, two birds with one stone Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
175
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:41:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:They depend on their clientele to provide depth, instead of actually providing any themselves. The problem with that is, what happens when everyone is sitting around waiting to see what the other guys are doing? What happens when the actual population is more alts than mains?
This is what makes Eve great to me. The PvE is horrible.. the other players are the only reason Eve still exists.
My friends and I are out in space every day creating content. We're reviled by most, loved by some, but entertaining for all. Undock and create some content. Eve is nothing without pilots who do so. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38658
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:08:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:
One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.
Posting in a Nerf AFK Cloaking Thread yet again. |
Vladimir Gurney
Rising Force Chronos Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:
One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.
Posting in a Nerf AFK Cloaking Thread yet again.
I'd rather have it be completely random, could be a highly populated high sec system that gets hit or it could be some system in null sec no one ever goes to. It should also be quite unlikely to happen, if it becomes something that happens everyday it loses the feeling of it being special.
I want people to panic when dangerous conditions arise, no one should be expecting it to happen. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
137
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Posted - 2013.08.22 22:52:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote: @OP
The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it.
Hurray for legacy code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jK-XZ2KnM <---crime watch rewrite is a good example of what you are talking about Gibbo. |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
198
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:03:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Gibbo5771 wrote:Ioci wrote:It's actually more realistic than you think.
We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.
We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.
EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone? Yeah because NASA would inform the public that these things, that no one cares about, have happened. @OP The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it. You make it seem like the game was written in some forgotten, 2000 year old glyph based language or something. C+ I'm guessing? a dozen developers could rewrite every line of code in a year and would have a comprehensive understanding of why things function the way they do and I'm certain there are plenty of developers in CCP that have a complete understanding of the EVE Online engine. I might not but it doesn't mean they don't.
That is not a very good business plan is it?
"Hey guys, lets take what we got that people are already paying for, hire a dozen good developers that cost -ú50,000 per month each, to write code we already have...yay"
No, won't happen. The game moves forward, if it doesn't...people get bored, people stop paying. Then CCP rushes more features to bounce back and end up back to square one. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
588
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:
One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.
Posting in a Nerf AFK Cloaking Thread yet again.
Oh snap, that was completely unintended, I think the whines have infiltrated my brain and subliminally express themselves. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:06:00 -
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Vladimir Gurney wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:
One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.
Posting in a Nerf AFK Cloaking Thread yet again. I'd rather have it be completely random, could be a highly populated high sec system that gets hit or it could be some system in null sec no one ever goes to. It should also be quite unlikely to happen, if it becomes something that happens everyday it loses the feeling of it being special. I want people to panic when dangerous conditions arise, no one should be expecting it to happen.
I say no to this, but if we are gonna get something like this, it needs to be random, and our cosmologists, astrophysicists, and other space scientists, should be able to see it coming and give us THOUSANDS OF YEARS ADVANCE WARNING. Yeah. You want realism? Scientists will see the signs well in advance, and warn everyone, giving governments, corporations, and privateers time to GTFO.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Darvaleth Sigma
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
327
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:19:00 -
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I didn't know the deep sea was that dangerous... Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Sol Kal'orr
TLSG Asgard Alliance
60
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:29:00 -
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CCP are bad at PVE content, don't ask them to make more. If you want EVE to be more dangerous just turn Concord off on Wednesdays or something. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
38673
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:29:00 -
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Vladimir Gurney wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:
One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.
Posting in a Nerf AFK Cloaking Thread yet again. I'd rather have it be completely random, could be a highly populated high sec system that gets hit or it could be some system in null sec no one ever goes to. It should also be quite unlikely to happen, if it becomes something that happens everyday it loses the feeling of it being special. I want people to panic when dangerous conditions arise, no one should be expecting it to happen.
I believe there is this thing called.....Incursions. Yeah. That's it ! |
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