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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 17:57:00 -
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Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
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CdCommander
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Posted - 2006.01.01 17:58:00 -
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/signed
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.01.01 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
/signed
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.01 17:59:00 -
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yes, and remove tracking alltogether. The idea that a gun actually moves is redicolus. FFS ITS A GAME, TURRETS DONT NEED TO TRACK AT ALL.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:00:00 -
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The CNR is good, thus all ravens should have the same stats as the CNR.
Stands to reason. ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: iggy6662k2 hell why not bring back the old pulse lasers and crystal damage before they got nerfed
Yes I agree.
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iggy6662k2
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:00:00 -
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hell why not bring back the old pulse lasers and crystal damage before they got nerfed I can read backward. Discussion of moderation, even in signatures, is not allowed. - Teblin |
Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Avon The CNR is good, thus all ravens should have the same stats as the CNR.
Stands to reason.
your sig is wrong, what he really said was
The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile, exept the raven, because we hate caldari - Oveur
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:01:00 -
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Why should Torps hit frigs
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Layrex
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:01:00 -
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/signed
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:01:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=271965 I agree with this thread as well
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Spartan239 on 01/01/2006 18:05:09 only if you make my blasters uber, and i want to be able to fit neutrons to my deimos and or megathron with a viable setup plz
if so then
signed
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0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Avon The CNR is good, thus all ravens should have the same stats as the CNR.
Stands to reason.
/signed
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: iggy6662k2 we should all get CNR bpos for free tbh
Please stop hiijacking a very serious thread with an obvious joke.
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iggy6662k2
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:03:00 -
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we should all get CNR bpos for free tbh I can read backward. Discussion of moderation, even in signatures, is not allowed. - Teblin |
iggy6662k2
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:04:00 -
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i was being serious I can read backward. Discussion of moderation, even in signatures, is not allowed. - Teblin |
Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:05:00 -
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The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
Amarrian BS's can fit more overdrives FYI ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP |
0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Drunkeh The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
Amarrian BS's can fit more overdrives FYI
Amarrian BS's are built for sissy things like tanking and damage output!
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Drunkeh The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
Amarrian BS's can fit more overdrives FYI
This is obviously another unbalanced thing towards the raven. Overdrives should be made midslot items as well as nanofibers.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: iggy6662k2 hell why not bring back the old pulse lasers and crystal damage before they got nerfed
You mean the old beta lasers or the most recent nerf?
Id perfer beta when lasers didnt need crystals and if you used a crystal your laser suddenly became badass, and stamped heat sinks were bugged and a moa could do 1200 damage a shot with beams. _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space!
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Drunkeh The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
Amarrian BS's can fit more overdrives FYI
This is obviously another unbalanced thing towards the raven. Overdrives should be made midslot items as well as nanofibers.
/signed We need a cap mod that gives a 50% recharge rate for the highslots - or if that is unbalanced 10% to shield HP AND 25% to shield & cap recharge. Those two spare hi's are wasted on a raven if you fight at range. ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 01/01/2006 18:11:23
Originally by: Foomanshoe
Originally by: iggy6662k2 hell why not bring back the old pulse lasers and crystal damage before they got nerfed
You mean the old beta lasers or the most recent nerf?
Id perfer beta when lasers didnt need crystals and if you used a crystal your laser suddenly became badass, and stamped heat sinks were bugged and a moa could do 1200 damage a shot with beams.
Lasers should be a raven only weapon and should require 0 cap to fire..
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Drunkeh The fact that ravens go slower when using the t2 precision missiles is an obvious nerf to caldari. Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship.
Amarrian BS's can fit more overdrives FYI
This is obviously another unbalanced thing towards the raven. Overdrives should be made midslot items as well as nanofibers.
/signed We need a cap mod that gives a 50% recharge rate for the highslots - or if that is unbalanced 10% to shield HP AND 25% to shield & cap recharge. Those two spare hi's are wasted on a raven if you fight at range.
This mod needs to be a raven only mod though.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:14:00 -
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/signed
******************************************************* What ya gonna do, when I come for you!?
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 01/01/2006 18:15:50
Quote: [18:14:28] Avon > raven should ger a "chuck norris" slot tbh
/signed
I also believe that tank ceo would support a raven unnerfing, and should be unbanned so we can hear his views on the subject.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:16:00 -
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I think 8 Launcher Hardpoints, 15,500mw powercore and 1,000tf CPU and the Raven would be balanced. Maybe cut that shield recharge in half too and some shields to that thing. ------
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor Edited by: Jim Raynor on 01/01/2006 18:18:59 I think 8 Launcher Hardpoints, 15,500mw powercore and 1,000tf CPU and the Raven would be balanced. Maybe cut that shield recharge in half too and some shields to that thing.
Should get a bonus to fitting citadel launchers and explosive radius of torpedoes like a stealth bomber, that would totally rock and be balanced.
Nerf blasters too.
unnerf the shield boost bonus on cap relays whilst we are at it
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0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:22:00 -
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I want splash damage on my torps please.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:24:00 -
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raven should get a special ability to heavy nos like +1 scram point per nos activation on target because it needs all the mids for tanking and cant tackle anything.
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Inversa on 01/01/2006 18:28:15 On a Raven with 6 launcher are 2 hi-slots left, fit some med guns, a target painter into one med-slot.
Or use a web, then the frigs can't outrun your torp as easy as before
I say it again Trops aren't anti-frig weapons.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
QFT ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Finally, someone who understands balance and combined-arms theory. I agree, torpedos are not ment for, and should not be used for anti-frigate duties. They are tools out there for this kinda work. They're called assault launchers.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Finally, someone who understands balance and combined-arms theory. I agree, torpedos are not ment for, and should not be used for anti-frigate duties. They are tools out there for this kinda work. They're called assault launchers.
Assault launchers should be able to fit torps anyways
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv Finally, someone who understands balance and combined-arms theory. I agree, torpedos are not ment for, and should not be used for anti-frigate duties. They are tools out there for this kinda work. They're called assault launchers.
Dont think assault launchers are that good, Rocket ravens are better. I personally think the problem of the Raven is not about the long/short range thing. It is a missile-boat and more towards support role, which explains the static setup until you dock at the next station to refit. Unlike turrets, you get short and long range ammos.
Maybe the current bonuses to Raven should apply for all missiles rather than torps and cruise missile. That way, using smaller launchers would be alright with the Ravens. ----------------
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:35:00 -
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Quote: [18:33:09] Kayosoni > PRECISION CRUISE MISSILES 4tw [18:33:39] Kayosoni > I hit frigates for 10 less than full damage with precision cruise
CCP, this is wrong. This so so blatantly wrong that it should be obvious to anyone, but let me explain.
WHY DO PRECISION CRUISE DO 10 LESS DAMAGE THAN NORMAL VS FRIGS? This is obviously a nerf to the raven.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:35:00 -
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man i told u to buy gallente char
HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:36:00 -
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If you fly a Torp-Raven and want to hit Frigs, get friend with a Destroyer as escort.
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0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Quote: [18:33:09] Kayosoni > PRECISION CRUISE MISSILES 4tw [18:33:39] Kayosoni > I hit frigates for 10 less than full damage with precision cruise
CCP, this is wrong. This so so blatantly wrong that it should be obvious to anyone, but let me explain.
WHY DO PRECISION CRUISE DO 10 LESS DAMAGE THAN NORMAL VS FRIGS? This is obviously a nerf to the raven.
qft
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa If you fly a Torp-Raven and want to hit Frigs, get friend with a Destroyer as escort.
Chuck Norris doesent need friends?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
THIS IS QUITE FRANKLY THE BEST FORUM REPLY EVER ------
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
Chuck Norris? Sure you meant Charles Bronson
While were balancing the Raven why not remove that 5% ROF bonus on the Typhoon for something more useful like 5% Hull HP bonus? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'. |
0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Inversa If you fly a Torp-Raven and want to hit Frigs, get friend with a Destroyer as escort.
Chuck Norris doesent need friends?
Chuck Norris would snap his friends necks and then revive him using his powers and send them home, support is a weakness, Chuck Norris is not weak.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
THIS IS QUITE FRANKLY THE BEST FORUM REPLY EVER
Nerf Jim Raynor tbh
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:42:00 -
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i think Chuck Norris is faster than little kids too, so why can't the raven reach 10,000 m/s with mwd to be faster than those damn little frigs?
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Inversa If you fly a Torp-Raven and want to hit Frigs, get friend with a Destroyer as escort.
Chuck Norris doesent need friends?
Chuck Norris is just a school ground bully.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drunkeh on 01/01/2006 18:44:51 still laughing
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa
Chuck Norris is just a school ground bully.
Personal attacks are not allowed on the forums. ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:47:00 -
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The Raven will never be on par with the Typhoon until it has a Chuck Norris Launcher which fires Chuck Norris which in return fires Nunchucks at children, the elderly, the disabled, and frigates, destroying them in one fell stroke. ------
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!
And what kind of keyboard layout do you want to use?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!
And what kind of keyboard layout do you want to use?
CCP should just make an <activate all> shortcut.
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.
Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!
No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
yawn... __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
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Addinn
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:51:00 -
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/signed
It makes no sence that you sometimes need the same amount of torps to kill a freaking frigate as to take out a battleship.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Drunkeh Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.
Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?
It's not hard, but it's imbalanced. Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either ! They just call mr T. You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance. _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.
/signed
It's stone, scisor, paper
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 -
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This thread has been brought to you by the letters C & N, and the number 172.
The Caldari Raven is a production of the Children's Television Workshop. ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
0Virtu0
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Drunkeh Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.
Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?
It's not hard, but it's imbalanced. Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either ! They just call mr T. You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.
And the missile/turret users can have Vin Diesel, then there will be peace in EvE and we will all live happily ever-after.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
/signed though __ Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
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Inversa
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine It's not hard, but it's imbalanced. Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either ! They just call mr T. You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.
Turret ships have something called target painter. And the big guns cant hit a frig orbiting at 1000m
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Drunkeh Chuck Norris knows 172 ways to kill a man using only his big toe, yet a raven cannot even kill a frig using torps.
Use the turret-slots for anti-frig duty, or fit some assault or heavy launchers. Why is that so hard to do?
It's not hard, but it's imbalanced. Turret ships dont need to git assault launchers to deal with frigs either ! They just call mr T. You get Mr T., we get Chuck Norris, that's balance.
And the missile/turret users can have Vin Diesel, then there will be peace in EvE and we will all live happily ever-after.
Mr T is black. And as proven in Sun Ra's thread, CCP hate black people because they are minmatar. Obviously this solution will not be balanced.
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MrFu
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:03:00 -
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Please CCP,the tempest needs badly:
*8 turret hardpoints * 50% more capacitor,at least *Less signature radius,50 or 60m should do *More dronebay,I think 500-1000m3 is fair enough at the current state *20 au/s warp speed *500 more CPU and 15K more PG *Aditional faction bonus,each level of caldari battleship should give roughly a 15% bonus on both damage and tracking on turrets *An additional missile bonus,for those that like weird 4/4 fittings,lets say 15% bonus on missile speed and accuracy for each caldari BS skill as well(so both turret and miss skills are acumulable) *2 more solar sails,deployable at will,making it travel 40 au/s,those wings also fire defenders with an infite ammount of ammo if need arised
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
So raven needs 16 additional highslots to fit anti-frig turrets and boni to them!
No. It's not supposed to excell at everything. Ravens, or any BS for that matter, is not a solo death machine. If you want to be able to fend off frigates, you need to sacrifice some of your heavy weapons. Or, you can get an escort. One BS for attacking large targets, and frigates and/or destroyers for fending off smaller ones. Drones will help fill this role as well. Different ships for different roles. Fleets utilize a mixture of ships to be able to respond to different threats.
not supposed to excel at everything?! but its the R A V E N ! boost plz.
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way.
You obviously never met chuck norris when he was a child
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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:12:00 -
[74]
RIGHT NOW BANTAMS ARE BETTER THAN RAVENS!! WTF???!?
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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:13:00 -
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I do not agree with this thread, shear lunacy...
A frigate should always be totally invulnerable to anything larger than a shuttle. How else are frig pilots going to have the balls to kill indies and mining barges otherwise? It's difficult enough to get 15 of us insta-warping all over the place. What if we may die and loose 7m ISK!!! 7m ISK CCP is an unacceptable risk!!!
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Layrex
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson RIGHT NOW BANTAMS ARE BETTER THAN RAVENS!! WTF???!?
nerf banthams!!!
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R3 1D
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: MrFu Please CCP,the tempest needs badly:
*8 turret hardpoints * 50% more capacitor,at least *Less signature radius,50 or 60m should do *More dronebay,I think 500-1000m3 is fair enough at the current state *20 au/s warp speed *500 more CPU and 15K more PG *Aditional faction bonus,each level of caldari battleship should give roughly a 15% bonus on both damage and tracking on turrets *An additional missile bonus,for those that like weird 4/4 fittings,lets say 15% bonus on missile speed and accuracy for each caldari BS skill as well(so both turret and miss skills are acumulable) *2 more solar sails,deployable at will,making it travel 40 au/s,those wings also fire defenders with an infite ammount of ammo if need arised
When compared to a raven, the tempest effectively has these abilities anyway.
If CCP don't boost the raven, I'm leaving with my 17 accounts
(Yes, my main account is broken)
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:33:00 -
[78]
best thread ever
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:46:00 -
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There is only one solution. Give the Ravens Superweapons better than the titans that can kill random people in different systems. Only then will the madness be stopped. Preferably these super weapons be railguns that fire off Antimatter rounds that drop off 200 precision torpedoes every 3 seconds.
The character you've selected does for some reason not belong to you! CONCORD has been notified
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:47:00 -
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Nerf Ravens. I was killed by one before EXODUS.
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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:48:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Metternich Stele on 01/01/2006 19:50:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.
Not true - I have personally witnessed a frigate shooting at an indy and idies can fit a gun that can actually hit. That guy had balls risking so much.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Inversa
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Inversa Why should Torps hit frigs
because they are bigger, and in eve Bigger > Better
Torps are anti BS/Capital weapons. Every ship/setup in Eve has a weakness. The weak point of a Torp-Raven is the Frigate wich can outrun Torps. If you want to go against frigs as well fitt some anti-frig weapons.
Here's the best thing that would describe how it is.
Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
THIS IS QUITE FRANKLY THE BEST FORUM REPLY EVER
hence why I've stolen it for my siggy :)
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.01.01 19:56:00 -
[84]
Is school back next week?
Hope so.
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2006.01.01 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stratosfear Is school back next week?
Hope so.
funny Private lessons? |
kebab v2
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Posted - 2006.01.01 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
can we have oversized missles in undersized modules back again, i want too pwn things with doom torps. these should also do full damage too frigs
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BOldMan
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Posted - 2006.01.01 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Metternich Stele Edited by: Metternich Stele on 01/01/2006 19:50:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
Signed, frigates don't belong in PvP. Everyone should fly Battleships. if you dissagree you're wrong.
Not true - I have personally witnessed a frigate shooting at an indy and idies can fit a gun that can actually hit. That guy had balls risking so much.
But torps hit frigates for full damage! Just fly in same directions and speed with frigates. You will see the efect imediately.
Originally by: Treacle Shazboat Trying to buy from the market. The buy window is blank. Try to send a petition dropped me to the desktop.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:05:00 -
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sombody i know is gallante he can also fly apoc he playes as long as i do, he is a bilionair doing 9/10 8/10 and 10/10 complexes.
im in state used to do lvl4 missions (since all these nerfs wont be able to until i skilled up and if im skilled up theyl nerf it again somehowe)
i have bin in 0.0 for weeks, runing complexes to, i got pwnd evrywhere by each t2 cruiser, these frig swarms , these belts where i was where it took me ages to align for a warpout.
maybe it has much fire power,much shield tank, but all very short slow and dumb.
it aint right, i posted countles of points and huge topics aboud this olrady... ccp are just mofo's the harest thing in this game is to keep up with the nerf's and u need to fight on the forums to not get ur ship nerfed.
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Sennju Zensu
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:27:00 -
[89]
raven underpowered? R-O-L-F-M-A-O
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sennju Zensu raven underpowered? R-O-L-F-M-A-O
We're dead serious, and we want 8 missile slots too If chuck noris could see this thread he'd sign it
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:45:00 -
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boost the scorp while your at it .. it doesnt jam 100% of the time with a multispec its a plain joke!
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:56:00 -
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lol, who wins a 1v1 between a blastathron and a raven at 5km? hmm...
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Sirokko
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia lol, who wins a 1v1 between a blastathron and a raven at 5km? hmm...
rifter every time.
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Toshiro Khan
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gan Ning
We're dead serious, and we want 8 missile slots too If chuck noris could see this thread he'd sign it
Wrong... First of all Chuch Norris wouldn't be seen dead in a fugly ship.. also Chuck Norris would hunt down all those who whine about the raven and leave them with nasty roundhouse injuries for being cry babies before getting back into ridge hand intie and blowing their houses up with his t2 roundhouse uber siege cannon and real men use turrets.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:19:00 -
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i saw a minmatar dread tanking a raven. i mean wtf he was minmatar. raven needs its dmg boosted asap.
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Everbane
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Everbane on 02/01/2006 00:21:28 Nerf everything. You can't beat wasteing RL cash to train 3 months to get back to where you started again. Most rewarding.
I hope you nerf cry babies get a dose of your own medicine soon.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:28:00 -
[97]
Get Insterstellar Railguns on these ravens. Otherwise the jovians will pwn us. sign if you dont want to get pwned by the joves
Originally by: Layrex
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson RIGHT NOW BANTAMS ARE BETTER THAN RAVENS!! WTF???!?
nerf banthams!!!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 01:18:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
Trying to get the first trolling thread of the new year or what?
Originally by: Asnar Bush:but most importantly wtf was my carrier doing without support?
Admiral: well sorry mr president, guess you're not that stupid after all..... Bush: /me shoots Admiral
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.02 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Min i saw a minmatar dread tanking a raven. i mean wtf he was minmatar. raven needs its dmg boosted asap.
You lie, even the introduction of T2 duct tape for minmatar ship production wasn't enough to make them able to tank anything! That Dread was clearly hax0ring!
Originally by: Asnar Bush:but most importantly wtf was my carrier doing without support?
Admiral: well sorry mr president, guess you're not that stupid after all..... Bush: /me shoots Admiral
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2006.01.02 01:36:00 -
[100]
I can agree that torps should not be able to kill frigates. It would be uninteresting if one ship could kill all other ships with ease. However, frigates can still hit ravens without any trouble, which is definately a sign of imbalance. To solve this, we could reduce ravens signature radius to 0.2 meter, which would be much more realistic, and also would prevent frigates from hitting it.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.01.02 01:40:00 -
[101]
The raven needs the boost badly tbfh. lets look at the anti-frig set ups that it takes to kill a inty
6 t2 seige 2 nos
1 xl sheild booster 2 webbys 1 warp scram 2 target painters
1 rcu 2 4 bcu 2
I am sorry but with the new t2 ships specifically field command ships,that will be eaten alive,not to mention any bs that it comes across will laugh at it,christ I could kill that with my scorp seeing as I could jam him and he couldn't do anything but cry an away.
As far as tracking goes my geddon and apoc do fine against frigs with just a webby and 1 nos and thats with megapulse AND Tachs The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
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Alexison
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Posted - 2006.01.02 01:54:00 -
[102]
Make raven the win button. Should fix all the things wrong with it.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.01.02 02:27:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Lygos on 02/01/2006 02:31:23 Hypothesis: Realism should dominate in EVE.
I think we should also nerf frigate speeds while we're at it. Battleships have bigger powercores, so they should be able to accelerate to higher speeds through the uh.. whatever it is, right?
Hypothesis: That which costs more should be better.
Then again.. if we base all game mechanics on the amount of money spent, how do we compare the value of a single torp to the value of a single interceptor? Should Torpedoes cost 4,000,000 isk each? Bullets should cost 5 thousand isk each. Maybe being wealthy should be the crux of victory in EVE. I could be down with that.
In a note of seriousness, do you think it is possible with the new 64bit servers to reconsider processing missile tracking/turning speed? Personally, I consider this a low priority at this stage.
"I'm being facetious half of the time, ironic the other half, and serious for the remainder. By now, no one is ever certain which." |
Dark Wisper
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Posted - 2006.01.02 21:56:00 -
[104]
/signed |
Starplier
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:04:00 -
[105]
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
QFT
wait a sec...NERF CHUCK NORRIS! Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
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Gazzaa29
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Posted - 2006.01.03 04:28:00 -
[106]
NO NO NO
Your going about this all wrong. RIP to the bs`s ccp loves the frigs too much, so here is my idea.
Boost the crow. Give it 3 more launcher slots, a bonas like the mant to fit siege launchers wiv torps that have a hidden 40explo radius. 3 more med slots, and 2 more lows. throw in a drone bay and a few thousand cap. It needs 20k shields cus caldari is all about shields, to balance this give it 1 armor and 1 hul hp cus armor is for *****s. Ad some extra grid and cpu into the mix.
And there we have it a sure fire winner that ccp will love cus small ships ftw.
ohyeah paint it blak too
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.01.03 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drunkeh Boost the raven please, torps should hit frigs for full damage.
You are a noob wait until you can actually fly a Raven... or are you starting now hoping you ll have the skills by then?
Seriously now man whats wrong with you? This is like the 4th thread like that you start in 2006... Is it cause you sold Drunken just as Caldari seem uber-ish again?
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Spyres
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:48:00 -
[108]
Best. Thread. Ever.
For the record, the raven needs a specific anti-frig weapon that can be mounted without taking up a slot - perhaps there can be a specialised 'Ravenslot'. This weapon should instantly pop frigates on sight, without the need for the pilot to lock a target and activate a module. And this slot should not require skills. It should just be part of the Raven.
Oh, and while we're at it, I think that Ravens need at least a 50% RoF bonus for seige launchers.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.03 08:55:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Lucian Alucard The raven needs the boost badly tbfh. lets look at the anti-frig set ups that it takes to kill a inty
6 t2 cruise 2 nos
1 amp 1 XL booster 1 injector 2 invulnerability fields
1 pcu 2 4 bcu 2
I am sorry but with the new t2 ships specifically field command ships,that will be beating everything,not to mention any bs that it comes across will die at its hands due to tech 2 fury cruises and an awesome tank,christ I could kill that with my phoenix seeing as I could triple-web him and paint him and he couldn't do anything but cry away.
As far as tracking goes my geddon and apoc do jack **** against frigs with just a webby and 1 nos and thats with megapulse AND Tachs
There, small correction.
Oh, and I dont wanna bust Drunkeh's fun up, but some people need to learn to recognise sarcasm here. _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.01.03 09:47:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 03/01/2006 09:50:31 Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 03/01/2006 09:45:28
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: iggy6662k2 we should all get CNR bpos for free tbh
Please stop hiijacking a very serious thread with an obvious joke.
I'm not so sure this was a serious thread. I think it was a joke.
EDIT: Oh, you are the original poster. Sorry ><. Guess it was a serious thread, tho I can't see how.
EDIT2: Maybe iggy6662k2 was serious too? As I thought this thread was an obvious joke, and you thought his post was. Maybe there is something to this free CNR bpcs thing?
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.01.03 10:02:00 -
[111]
Okay, I'm still not sure as there are a lot of, umm, special people out there.
Is this and the other unnerf the raven thread both jokes, or are they serious? I thought they were jokes at first, but then people were arguing it, so thought maybe they're serious??? Then read other thread, and think it's a joke again.
Which is it? 'Special' people, or 2 joke threads?
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:05:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Rod Blaine Oh, and I dont wanna bust Drunkeh's fun up, but some people need to learn to recognise sarcasm here.
But we do see... its just... too much sarcasm is well... too much. Anyway I guess he earned the right to say whatever he wants (the rest of us just assume it )
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Mimio
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:10:00 -
[113]
OMG, next raven topic! Dear devs, please, remove this ship from the game or at least rename it.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:39:00 -
[114]
My only input into this ridiculous thread is as follows. If a frigate or a cruiser is stood still, that should quite heavily impact the amount of damage that is done, as itdoes with turrets.
Heavily webbed (double/triple) frigates, should take a large hit from torpedos, as they do from Large Blasters.
To say that missiles need to do full damage on frigs etc, is just absolutely ridiculous, and I am a 6.5 million missile sp player.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:52:00 -
[115]
yah, raven is underpowered, or really, missiles r, i wanna have a "Advanced Win-all launcher" on my crow, so that when i fire it, i destroy all npc and pc in atleast 15-system radius. Aswell as the blast imploding all cans and loot to the same point in space.
Then santa claus comes and scoops it into my hangar while trowing snowballs and dropping pink elephants....
I cannot eat that mushroom you say ? Oh.....
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.01.03 12:12:00 -
[116]
Can I have all you guys' Ravens?
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Oylmpia
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Posted - 2006.01.07 15:16:00 -
[117]
Can I get the fittings then?
After that you are free to blow up your insured ravens, at least you get some money back.
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Wrath Trihellion
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Posted - 2006.01.07 18:21:00 -
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All of you who think that the Raven is underpowered Smoketh the *****. Are you retarded?? I am UDIE, that means that I fly a Raven and only a Raven, and even I agree that a properly set up Raven can OMG*tomB style*WTFPWN any BS out there. For those of you who think that they should do Uber dmg to frigs, stfu and get over it, you're sissies. DONT USE TORPS IF YOU WANT TO KILL FRIGS: USE CRUISE. Anyway thats all. Angry posts ftw.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.07 18:22:00 -
[119]
"Angry posts ftw."
Completely missing the point ftl, though ^^
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.07 18:42:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Wrath Trihellion All of you who think that the Raven is underpowered Smoketh the *****. Are you retarded?? I am UDIE, that means that I fly a Raven and only a Raven, and even I agree that a properly set up Raven can OMG*tomB style*WTFPWN any BS out there. For those of you who think that they should do Uber dmg to frigs, stfu and get over it, you're sissies. DONT USE TORPS IF YOU WANT TO KILL FRIGS: USE CRUISE. Anyway thats all. Angry posts ftw.
classic burn eden post.
PS lol@ resurrecting this thread
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:36:00 -
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wtb precision railgun ammo
I only wish 50-70 dmg to frigs at all ranges ... and no cap use.
And lol at BE post.
HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:46:00 -
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[ 2005.12.13 06:29:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Juggernaut Torpedo I hits ********* [*****](Malediction), doing 160.0 damage. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!" |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.07 22:04:00 -
[123]
Originally by: KIAEddZ My only input into this ridiculous thread is as follows. If a frigate or a cruiser is stood still, that should quite heavily impact the amount of damage that is done, as itdoes with turrets.
Heavily webbed (double/triple) frigates, should take a large hit from torpedos, as they do from Large Blasters.
To say that missiles need to do full damage on frigs etc, is just absolutely ridiculous, and I am a 6.5 million missile sp player.
Maybe people should post
**HI!!!! THIS THREAD IS A JOKE THREAD**
for those "special folk" out there?
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2006.01.07 22:09:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: KIAEddZ My only input into this ridiculous thread is as follows. If a frigate or a cruiser is stood still, that should quite heavily impact the amount of damage that is done, as itdoes with turrets.
Heavily webbed (double/triple) frigates, should take a large hit from torpedos, as they do from Large Blasters.
To say that missiles need to do full damage on frigs etc, is just absolutely ridiculous, and I am a 6.5 million missile sp player.
Maybe people should post
**HI!!!! THIS THREAD IS A JOKE THREAD**
for those "special folk" out there?
What? You mean he is not serious?
Linkey --------------------------------------------- <Make ECM Burst useful> ECM Burst Idea! |
Palthos
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Posted - 2006.01.07 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Palthos on 07/01/2006 23:05:04 I think that the whole missile system is unrealistic. Nuclear warheads on earth do kilometers of damage and we aren't in space or the future! As such I believe there should be a tweaking to missile damage on a fundamental level. There should be a simple rank 1 skill called "regulation of explosive yield" that does the following at level 1:
anything between 100km-50km (of the initial explosion) get's dealt full damage. Between 50km-25km get's dealt 500% damage. Between 25km-5km is 1000% damage. Under 5km is an insta-kill because nothing could survive a nuclear-type explosion that close.
The size of the missile should also not matter because a nuclear explosion is a nuclear explosion.
Also, Concord will not interfere in empire because they are afraid of Chuck Norris.
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.01.07 23:51:00 -
[126]
*chuckles*
Haha good for a laugh. I'd like to add my own subclause:
Please oh please CCP, I don't like not being able to kill everything in sight as soon as I click on it. Please make this game more like Diablo. Furthermore the ship with my pod in it should be the only viable ship in the game because I am teh hax0r. Oh, and I want to no takey damage anymore 4TEH WIN!!! /signed
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Bournie
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Posted - 2006.01.08 00:27:00 -
[127]
The funniest thing about this thread is the ammount of people getting upset over <sarcasm>. not reading things thoroughly FTL
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2006.01.08 00:46:00 -
[128]
If you want to hit frigs in a BS you have to use A turret BS simple as that. But I tried to max Torp Damage against a frig and it got to 20... That's with trying.
I would be happy if Torps did 40 damage to frigs.
I still hate it how I got pummeled with a single 425mm for 555.5 damage recently in a Ceptor.
I guess maybe Just make it so Turret BS hit frigs for a maximum damage of 20-30 damage. Then people will stop whining about torps.
I actually like that idea, make ALL of the largest Turrets of any and all BS in the game hit for 20 damage.
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2006.01.08 00:55:00 -
[129]
Ah yes, yet another thread, where weapons meant for medium to large ships are requested to be given "God status" in combat. What's next say you?
"Why has CCP made it impossible for my torps to kill pods?"
Just use your brains and basic physics, if the missle is slow, if the explosion radius was not meant to be, then change your setup for anti-frig killing.
P.S. I fly a Raven too, but i believe its balanced, FOR what it was meant to do!
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Plim
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Posted - 2006.01.08 01:56:00 -
[130]
The raven absolutely USELESS atm.
I mean, it dosen't get a 50% bonus to all turret types, it dosen't give you a 7000x bonus to genitalia size, and dosen't even have a drinks holder. Raven pilots can't make people instantly explode from 17 jumps away, wtf is that all about?
Sort it out CCP. -----------------
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.01.08 03:19:00 -
[131]
it kills me that i can web some stupid frigates with a 90% webber and my SCOURGE HEAVY MISSILE STILL ONLY FREAKING HITS FOR A FREAKING 33.1 DMG and that is with heavy missiles 4, and all other supporting skills at level 3. --------------
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.01.08 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xio2 33.1 DMG and that is with heavy missiles 4, and all other supporting skills at level 3.
I have the same skills, and I do roughly the same damage ... but I think that my skills suck so badly that I went back to mining while I raise them ... I think that with the supporting skills at 4+, and 5 in the "missiles" skills (with maybe a specialisation or two), my missiles will do some better damage ... until then, I'm WTFBBQPWNing roids
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.08 11:25:00 -
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I want all launchers on the Raven. Missiles aren't overpowered anymore, why can't I have them? If I wanna be a missile user I can't have my assaults, heavies or rockets on my raven unless I want 2 less cruise launchers, no fair :(
guns dont do too bad, they just don't work well alongside missiles in my opinion.
PLEASE, 8 LAUNCHER SLOTS
and cruise launchers are too damn easy to fit for the raven to be underpowered, it's a good ship but it went from being the best anti-frig anti-cruiser ship to being the worse (by a good deal), I need some extra primary weapon hardpoints for anti-small ship stuff.
and I still think if you're not moving that you should recieve full damage from missiles. A torp against a still frigate should wtfpwn him in one shot. I'm fine with torps not hurting them while they move at their max speed, however.
Forget signature, Torp causes some chain reaction with your MWD, causing more damage tahn it should at that speed. Signature for missiles is rediculous, they have perfect tracking.. they should on the rpg side of things as well, instead of this simulated misses bull****. ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.08 11:38:00 -
[134]
Ravens need a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port.
Atrons should be able to carry a single proton torpedo and end Ravens by hitting it. It would only be a meter across, but the computer can hit it. Womprats are about the same size, and I can bullseye those in my T-16.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.01.08 13:54:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Aion Amarra on 08/01/2006 13:55:06
Originally by: Kelgen Thann If you want to hit frigs in a BS you have to use A turret BS simple as that. But I tried to max Torp Damage against a frig and it got to 20... That's with trying.
I would be happy if Torps did 40 damage to frigs.
I still hate it how I got pummeled with a single 425mm for 555.5 damage recently in a Ceptor.
I guess maybe Just make it so Turret BS hit frigs for a maximum damage of 20-30 damage. Then people will stop whining about torps.
I actually like that idea, make ALL of the largest Turrets of any and all BS in the game hit for 20 damage.
Hmm. Eep. Considering that I got wtfpwnd by a torpedo using raven when I was in my crusader. Was orbiting him, he webbed. 40~50dmg per torp. Ow?
On a more serious note (measured by the scale of seriousness in this thread):
While you're at it, please give the kestrel 8 high and launcherslots, make rocket launchers carry 50 times as much ammunition and allow them to carry torps again. Oh, and don't forget a 50% damage bonus to all missiles per level. And enable missiles to deal damage even after you warped out again. I want to warp in, lock a BS, fire a volley and warp out, so I have enough time to read the killmail.
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Dr Kanet
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:31:00 -
[136]
I would like to have missiles that are able to mine asteroids, I want to mine Veldspar with my Raven in Jita but I can't because I only have 4 turrets point to put Miner II
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ceberus10
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:51:00 -
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uhum ok first of al yeah yeah boost torps yeah omfg oooh geez cant hit frigs whine whine whine yeah make it insta kil frigs ...stfu pls ur not supposed to insta kil frigs or kil em at with torps second raven is not underpowered u ******** and no dont do anything to torp damage its fine like this
about the torps some people say we should make it realistic a torp the size of a frig should easily kil it to those people this is a game get over it and like in real life torps fired by submarines wont hit torpedo boats who go about 70 kmh over the water which would be frigs in this game when teh sub is a battleship
if u do want to make torps stronger why dont u boost laser aswel a turrets the same size as a fig should be able to kil it shouldnt it u know if u act like that boost everyweapon cos a missile should be able to kil anything 1 torp should be able to kil a battleship cos like in real life .......
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:35:00 -
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Don't suppose they could give the tempest some love could they?
such as an automatic 30km 90% webber with 5% increase per level in range and speed penalty per level?
oh and a better canteen cos the cooks on my tempy are rubbish.
oh an as for the raven, it definitely needs some love cos I heard people wouldnt even undock in their raven if they knew an Ibis was in system.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:15:00 -
[139]
nerf the raven
2006.01.10 20:56:00<t><color=0xffff0000>combat<t><color=0xffbbbb00>Your Mjolnir Torpedo hits **** **** [****](Dominix), doing 1452.5 damage. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!" |
Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:33:00 -
[140]
The raven is underpowered. It can only fit 5 WCS while an arma can fit 8.
The raven should get a base +3 to Warp Core Strength. ------------------------------------------------ Derailing threads with logic since 1992 |
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Megadon
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:43:00 -
[141]
The Chuck Norris analogy hit the nail on the head, but left the arms and legs untouched. While true that Chuck doesn't need different sized arms and legs to OMGWTFBBQ small helpless kids if he had more of them, it would help.
The real boost the Raven needs is more slots because other ships have an unfair advantage in this area. It is clear the real heart of the issue is the Raven needs to be an 8-8-8 slot ship. Or maybe 8-8-10. This way it could overcome it's utter crappiness and fit some decent weapons and maybe put in some cpu's to overcome it's utter crappy cpu grid.
Chuck can take out 100 kindergardners and Mr.T, so why can't the Raven take out 10 battleships and 100 frigates?
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon 10 battleships
You had me going till this line, not sure about 10 bs but 5 should be the standard amount that Raven should be able to solo. --------------------------------------------- <Make ECM Burst useful> ECM Burst Idea! |
000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:49:00 -
[143]
Can i get a 'OMGWTFPWNBBQIWINTITANSTYLE' button on my raven please?
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:57:00 -
[144]
Originally by: 000Hunter000 Can i get a 'OMGWTFPWNBBQIWINTITANSTYLE' button on my raven please?
Please stop these stupid posts, this is a legitimate issue.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:10:00 -
[145]
The real issue here is that self destruct on any other ship that is not a raven takes only 2 minutes, while the self destruct on a raven takes a whopping 120 seconds. This is clearly unfair for all the raven pilots out there and we have remained silent far too long, fix it now! ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!" |
Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:16:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Randay The real issue here is that self destruct on any other ship that is not a raven takes only 2 minutes, while the self destruct on a raven takes a whopping 120 seconds. This is clearly unfair for all the raven pilots out there and we have remained silent far too long, fix it now!
/signed
Give us 2 minutes also, not this lame 120 second bullcrap!!! NOT FAIR.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon
Originally by: Blind Fear The raven is underpowered. It can only fit 5 WCS while an arma can fit 8.
The raven should get a base +3 to Warp Core Strength.
I didn't even realize this because I only use 1 hand to count! What an epiphany! This is a rip-off. Why the hell can't the raven fit 5+3 Warp Stabs?!?
let it die
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:13:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Megadon
Originally by: Blind Fear The raven is underpowered. It can only fit 5 WCS while an arma can fit 8.
The raven should get a base +3 to Warp Core Strength.
I didn't even realize this because I only use 1 hand to count! What an epiphany! This is a rip-off. Why the hell can't the raven fit 5+3 Warp Stabs?!?
let it die
Yeah I cant believe it keeps getting resurrected.
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Shadow Mancer
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Posted - 2006.01.11 18:05:00 -
[149]
Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship
yeah but what do you do with Typhoon when 3 angel webifiers web it and max u get with the Phoon is 5 m/s? Still the best BS out there? I mean this is Raven discussion thread so i don't wanna change the topic but heck...Typhoon is the creation of CCP when they were sooo busy developing RMR. One bug after another, just like RMR, Typhoon is a bug not a BS. CEO and Founder of Warriors of Gods |
Zhon
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:09:00 -
[150]
Ravens as a ship are fine IMO.
The missle: cruise/torps need to be fixed they are far far to slow.
Problem with a raven and heck any missle boat is that it is almost imposible to fight a gunboat. By the time the first volley of missle reach the target the enemy has already got 2-3 volley off on you. Gunships can currently warp in at a 100 kill the weakest BS and warp out before 5 ravens can even hit them with one volley... im talking about 3-4 sniping tempest killing a fully tanked megathron or armagedon in the 10-15 sec period it takes just one volley of missles to hit. that is ridiculious.
Any gunboat know that at range a raven is going to WTF pwn them in a 1v1 battle, so they are not going to stick around for it and since the raven is so slow at dealing damage is just very in effective in pvp right now.
I mean look the refire rat of cruise missles over torps more than makes up for the torps damage thus torps are useless. they go half the range and fire way slower.
SOmething need to be done to either:
A: get rid of the 13 sec delay between first volly firing and hittign the target. Ie make missles faster some how with a longer delay or B: Make missles hit for more damage more consistantly.
As of right now Raven are great ships, but everyonejust runs from them and there is nothing that can be done.....
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Mancer Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship
yeah but what do you do with Typhoon when 3 angel webifiers web it and max u get with the Phoon is 5 m/s? Still the best BS out there? I mean this is Raven discussion thread so i don't wanna change the topic but heck...Typhoon is the creation of CCP when they were sooo busy developing RMR. One bug after another, just like RMR, Typhoon is a bug not a BS.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 11/01/2006 22:42:21
Originally by: Zhon
As of right now Raven are great ships, but everyonejust runs from them and there is nothing that can be done.....
20km warp scrambler in the mids. 'nuff said.
With the invulnerability field un-nerf, it frees up a midslot for most raven setups, thereby allowing them to fit a scrambler. My last three or four battleship kills in PvP have all been with a raven, courtesy of the RMR changes (I can actually SCRAMBLE my opponent now! WOOT!).
EDIT: And web drones allow me to keep them from getting out of scramble range. -Wrayeth
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Megadon
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Posted - 2006.01.11 23:21:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Shadow Mancer Speed means everything in eve, which is why the typhoon is the best battleship
yeah but what do you do with Typhoon when 3 angel webifiers web it and max u get with the Phoon is 5 m/s? Still the best BS out there? I mean this is Raven discussion thread so i don't wanna change the topic but heck...Typhoon is the creation of CCP when they were sooo busy developing RMR. One bug after another, just like RMR, Typhoon is a bug not a BS.
That made me laughy.
But seriously. Chuck doesn't need different sized arms and legs and the Raven needs more low slots and these two things are obvious and directly related.
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JamesDean
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:49:00 -
[154]
I second the motion for the raven to have a cup holder. How would Chuck Norris feel if he had to hold his 40oz while blowing up all the little kids, oops I mean frigates.
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Wulfgard
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Posted - 2006.01.12 01:02:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Shadow Mancer Typhoon is a bug not a BS.
It should be made into a bumper sticker
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Nerie Diabalous
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Posted - 2006.01.12 01:02:00 -
[156]
And the Tempest as problems, so does the Apoc, Domi, etc etc... There's no ship to rule them all, so stop complaining, your torpedos always hit the target, my Howis or Mega pulses dont always hit.
maybe to make you all happy a ship after jumping should lose shields and capacitor, and just to help you guys out stay dead for a minute or two after jumping, and in real life try to hit a small patrol boat whit a torp...
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.12 01:24:00 -
[157]
People keep running from the raven, that is a problem. Noone runs from a typhoon, so this is unbalanced.
Ravens should act as 50k warp bubbles which only affect people not in your gang. Obviously. ------------------------------------------------ Derailing threads with logic since 1992 |
Olev
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Posted - 2006.01.12 02:09:00 -
[158]
strange this..raven whas the best a few months ago..whonder why..now its more....in term with the rest...evry1 who can use a raven yells NERF!! why not use the bloody energy to larn how to use it..we who used proj a year ago,had to put up with ****ty gunns for a looong time..get used to it!
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Lobie
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Posted - 2006.01.20 22:34:00 -
[159]
/signed
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Tido Maliyu
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Posted - 2006.01.20 22:59:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
Next time compare frigates TO FRIGATES!! Linkage --------------------------
Draximus Cane: wheat barley kill anything? are you oats of your mind? I corn belive you just said that, rice I' |
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Tido Maliyu
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Posted - 2006.01.20 22:59:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Originally by: Drunkeh
Originally by: 0Virtu0 Chuck Norris doesnt need different sized arms to beat up little kids, why should the Raven need different weapons to beat up frigs!?
I normally do not support RL comparisons with eve, but this one is definately a perfect comparison.
No, it's not. Little kids are inferior in every way. Frigates have speed. And you don't use large weapons with poor tracking to counter fast moving craft. Battlships do not use 16in guns and cruise missiles to counter aircraft (real life) and they don't in EVE either. Smal, fast tracking weapons are the order of the day.
Next time compare frigates TO FRIGATES!! Linkage --------------------------
Draximus Cane: wheat barley kill anything? are you oats of your mind? I corn belive you just said that, rice I' |
Gort
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Posted - 2006.01.21 01:10:00 -
[162]
Just put a big red button on the dash, letter it "Kill Them!" and the Raven pilots will be happy.
It doesn't even have to do anything... (j/k)
Regards from Matari space,
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Wolverine PL
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Posted - 2006.01.21 01:21:00 -
[163]
I say: LET RAVEN use CITADEL TORPEDOS. And give it 8!!! low slots.
PPL common, raven is overpowerd as it is.
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Dark Revenant
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:32:00 -
[164]
Originally by: iggy6662k2 hell why not bring back the old pulse lasers and crystal damage before they got nerfed
This needs to be fixed b4 the raven gets ANY more boosts in power.
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Beast Rabban
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Posted - 2006.01.21 05:50:00 -
[165]
Damn while we are at it, unerf sheild boosters and capac rlys and give the apoc 4 more mids slots.
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Darth Vroevl
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Posted - 2006.01.21 10:39:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Randay The real issue here is that self destruct on any other ship that is not a raven takes only 2 minutes, while the self destruct on a raven takes a whopping 120 seconds. This is clearly unfair for all the raven pilots out there and we have remained silent far too long, fix it now!
Tbh the raven should have a 5 second self destruct timer, and when it blows up it should have the same effect as activating a Gjallarhorn. |
Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:26:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Lobie /signed
Thred-necromancy is a bad thing. In this case the thred had been dead for 8 days and 20 hours.
Also, if you read the first page of the thred it is evidently a sarcasm post which has gotten out of control, sadly.
Visit http://www.mercenarycoalition.com/ for contract quotes and more. |
Akiman
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:19:00 -
[168]
missiles hit hit hit
turrets miss miss miss
thats why raven overpowered others underpowered
let missiles miss too or make turrets hit...
if ya wanna hit frigs go fit assaults or heavies
i agree that torpedoes hit but then large turrets have to hit too...same door... if it will happen there will be no more inties or AFs couse they just *pufff
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