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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:59:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there War against BL or PL would be a pretty awesome thing. It will happen eventually, I am sure. I look forward to it. But for now, killing TEST off is not really a campaign of the sort I am wanting. As they live in low sec and have no assets in space to defend, this amounts to camping an undock for hours on end without bubbles while carriers play station games. I understand that some folks in Empire find that sort of game play fun, e.g., the wardec corps that hound the Jita undock, but it is not something you mobilize a large coalition to do and field large fleets to accomplish. We could easily camp the undock with a few hundred dudes for a while, but TEST would have no incentive to undock and we would just be wasting each other's time for nothing. Real wars are fought when one or both sides have an incentive to fight, because they have something to lose or gain. Are you picking your battles, or wanting someone else to pick them for you? Please make up your mind... I've been pretty expressive in my statements that I am not interested in small scale things that I could reasonably do all by myself.
But it is also effectively talking yourself out of a fight. You don't get to speak for the person you want to destroy. They have their reasons for doing what they do, you have yours. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:03:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:[quote=William Walker] Yay mercs! I'd be looking forward to mass small gang roaming events and... uuuh... ran out of steam there. But mass small gang roaming still sounds like fun. Why is it that after every major nullsec war there is a resurgence of people praising ~wulfpax~ on the forums? Because they are fun. Not tidi grind fests of waiting for the lag to clear. They are fun for you, perhaps. Small gang roaming has never interested me. There were plenty of small fights during the Fountain war, none of which were spawned because some dude wanted to take a day trip through the region. They all occurred because there was a war on, and the fighting entities had staging systems near enough to each other than whenever one side formed up a fleet to harass the other's assets it was in their interest to try and stop it. Fleets all day every day providing content for hundreds or thousands of people is not something that happens with ~wulfpax~ and small gangs who are roaming around for its own sake. They happen because there are assets to protect, objectives to achieve, and so on. In short, it happens because of a war.
Well, guerrilla tactics are successful and belong in war just as much as the siege machines do. Some prefer a more "instant gratification" but still contribute to the same cause.
Some prefer action, some prefer the supplying. There's a reason the Quartermaster Corps is worth being a part of during wartime. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:05:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there The plan was to kick test out of fountain and take it for the cfc. Test might still have 8k members but they're spent right now. They barely put up a fight at their peak. TEST is defeated. The number of EVE characters still in their EVE guild doesn't really mean anything. Brings up a good point... what decided that? The simple loss of systems? That's not a war, that's just an operation. Like iraqi freedom. If you want a WAR, pick up that dropped gauntlet and finish what you started. It was decided that TEST was defeated when they publicly announced that they had lost the war; it was decided that TEST was defeated when they withdrew from both Fountain and Delve; it was decided that TEST was defeated when they withdrew from the theater and stopped showing up to fight us. We are no longer at war with TEST. The conflict is over. We may at some point in the future be at war with them again, but a simple look at the killboards for our respective alliances shows that we are no longer killing each other very much.
But saying "yes I ran away" is not the same as being destroyed. Or conquered. In theory you only took an objective and completed a battle. You seem to be more interested in a prolonged fight... not a quick end to a skirmish which is what Fountain was; a skirmish, a campaign. TEST still exists in name, and you need to define what "war" means if you want that prolonged fight or you just want to accomplish goals. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12766
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:09:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote: Any Leader who leads for notoriety gets a quick lesson in humility.
Or stays leader by crushing all internal opposition, commandeering all available wealth and distracting their followers from their personal shortcomings/ ambitions by presenting external forces as a greater threat than themselves. Fear is power for some people.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:15:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Seems Eve-O is back to screaming for someone (but not me, for erm, just someone, kk) to ruin the CFC's empire so they can leap around and pretend the schadenfreude they get from it is actual, meaningful happiness.
Or at least that's what I assume when someone makes over 30 posts about it in a day. Uh oh... some internal strife?! Fight fight fight! He was talking about you. What internal strife is there in him calling you out?
It's easy... I'm ignoring the jab because in truth, I don't care. I don't care if the cfc exists or not. As noted previously, I have had my run ins with goons and their ancilliary forces and wish no ill will towards anyone.
The "but not me, for erm, just someone, kk" would actually fit more as a jab at you since you were the one wishing for a war but not willing to act or commit to the action and instead presented a defensive stance.
By all means, please do not imply that because you were the one who opened the door, does not mean I cannot be the one to also step through. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:16:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss? you are not even on the killboard dude, maybe start playing, and your friend is even worse, 10 solo kills in 4 yeras, lol, i beat you both in the first first month Ad hominem is not appealing. What does it matter if he is on a killboard or not? That doesn't change the truth or falsehood of his statements. Whether he is or is not on a killboard, you were nonetheless tackled by a hauler and killed. Own it. And before you try to go all ad hominem on me, if you really wanna turn this into a pissing contest I had several times more kills in the month of July than you have had in your entire history. So listen up! Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason. Attack the argument, not the person making it. 5 lines, all of them boring
This is what makes me like this person =( "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:23:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Murk Paradox wrote: Any Leader who leads for notoriety gets a quick lesson in humility.
Or stays leader by crushing all internal opposition, commandeering all available wealth and distracting their followers from their personal shortcomings/ ambitions by presenting external forces as a greater threat than themselves. Fear is power for some people.
Fear is also the biggest contributor to short life spans for all those involved. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4259
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:59:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Murk Paradox wrote: Any Leader who leads for notoriety gets a quick lesson in humility.
Or stays leader by crushing all internal opposition, commandeering all available wealth and distracting their followers from their personal shortcomings/ ambitions by presenting external forces as a greater threat than themselves. Fear is power for some people. The mittani sure frightened us with stories about how progodlegend and the killer N"exists to kill GSF"3 coalition will get us if we don't comply. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4260
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:00:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:cool huh, that was written at the day I started to open fire on mittanigrad, lucky you people got protected by CCP with an invulnerable station Stations aren't invulnerable though... He didn't want to spend the isk on sbus. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
207
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:16:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:cool huh, that was written at the day I started to open fire on mittanigrad, lucky you people got protected by CCP with an invulnerable station Stations aren't invulnerable though... He didn't want to spend the isk on sbus.
SBU = 2500m3
It will not fit in his catalyst =( |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4260
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:18:00 -
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So sad. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
164
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:12:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:16 posts on a single page consisting mainly out of quotes
What's wrong with you?
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:26:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:16 posts on a single page consisting mainly out of quotes What's wrong with you?
Some people hear "Never stop posting" and just run with it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12774
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:12:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:16 posts on a single page consisting mainly out of quotes What's wrong with you? 5 quote limit on posts, multiple replies to quotes requires multiple posts, simples.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:39:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Moneta Curran wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:16 posts on a single page consisting mainly out of quotes What's wrong with you? 5 quote limit on posts, multiple replies to quotes requires multiple posts, simples. Never not quote There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2398
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:34:00 -
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Quote:26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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