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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:16:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Taking some space pixels away by means of 1400mm Howitzer Artillery turrets is like taking a life.
Stealing some space pixels is like ravaging a, well you know.
When you shoot a non-blue, it's like, well you also know, ~profiling~ or something Don't forget, invading someone else's space makes you literally a tinpot failed house painter with a funny 'tache and a dodgy haircut. You're violently violating their ...
reinforcement timer.
I mean, they might be kicking and screaming as you rip apart the last structural hitpoints on those stations. The betrayal as the station flips to you, the loss of a TCU.
TEST, can you comment as to these very real and painful experiences? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4248
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:23:00 -
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Let's all remember that noted EVEO poster had this to say about gankers, scammers, and other lowlifes etc etc in internet spaceships:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:no more noble or defensible than "She deserved it." or "Blacks/Jews/women/etc. aren't our equals." or "It was a war." There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12741
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:27:00 -
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I'm wondering how long that part of his post will remain visible? I'm fairly certain that others will find it as offensive as I did and, unlike myself, report it as such.
IB4ISD
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4249
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:29:00 -
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You know what, since you're so much better than me I will sacrifice myself to
actually I can't be bothered to find the post to report it. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:38:00 -
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Why don't you just come out and say it?
"I enjoy harming others, even just emotionally. It gives me pleasure. But, if I do it in the real world directly, I may suffer harm in return, so I just do it through this video game."
Maybe you don't realize that many people who do "bad" things in the real world also have a moral code. Sometimes that code allows them to do their bad deeds outright. Sometimes they circumvent that moral code with clever little word games like by saying, "It's just a game." and "I deserve this." and "This is the last time.". I even know that some people like to "help" other people to circumvent their moral code or completely rewrite it altogether. Do you see anything analagous to that in EVE Online?
Alavaria Fera wrote:Taking some space pixels away by means of 1400mm Howitzer Artillery turrets is like taking a life.
Is pulling a trigger that much harder than clicking a mouse? Wouldn't you think the real difficulty was in justifying that action? My question, which you can't seem to answer is: How is the decision to do the first action different from the decision to do the second one? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4250
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:42:00 -
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Enhanced interrogation is perfectly legal There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12742
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:47:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote: Is pulling a trigger that much harder than clicking a mouse? Wouldn't you think the real difficulty was in justifying that action? My question, which you can't seem to answer is: How is the decision to do the first action different from the decision to do the second one?
Ahh trivialisation of a life changing decision, true to form.
In answer to your question, impact, one deprives someone of their life, the other deprives someone of a few pixels. The impact of the decision actually makes a difference to the way you make the decision, unless of course you have no respect for human life.
As I said earlier, you appear to have problems with the whole fantasy vs reality thing.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4250
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:48:00 -
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No it isn't different. Feel bad, criminal scum. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4250
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:51:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote: Is pulling a trigger that much harder than clicking a mouse? Wouldn't you think the real difficulty was in justifying that action? My question, which you can't seem to answer is: How is the decision to do the first action different from the decision to do the second one?
Ahh trivialisation of a life changing decision, true to form. In answer to your question, impact, one deprives someone of their life, the other deprives someone of a few pixels. The impact of the decision actually makes a difference to the way you make the decision, unless of course you have no respect for human life. As I said earlier, you appear to have problems with the whole fantasy vs reality thing. He's slipping.
Compare it to the launching of strategic-level weaponry with counter-value objectives. Press butan, ????
(Play Defcon) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12742
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:55:00 -
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OOO I forgot, If I pull the trigger in real life, you don't respawn, you're physically dead.
If I click the mouse and pop your ship, you're not dead, you can come back and try to return the favour, alternatively you can cry in local and refill my tear tank. Even if I pod you, you respawn in a clone vat, you're not dead, just mildly inconvenienced.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4250
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:56:00 -
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Maybe he believes in reincarnation There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4250
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:56:00 -
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Actually wow, does Defcon reward you for successfully launching against population centers? That's a really immoral game.
Quote:You play a General hidden deep within an underground bunker. Your mission is to successfully exterminate your enemy's civilian population whilst saving your own. Points are awarded or lost depending on both the efficacy and thoroughness of your nuclear vendetta and the number of your own civilian deaths. In order to win you must wipe out the enemy population and simultaneously disable the enemy's ability to retaliate against you.
That's actually rather harsh. Though no one is every sure is terms like "actually" and "literally" mean anything like actually and literally anymore on the internet. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12742
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Actually wow, does Defcon reward you for successfully launching against population centers? That's a really immoral game. Rise of Nations rewards you for launching a nuclear strike at opponents that are still using the bow and arrow
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8654
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:06:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:words
People of sound mind don't compare interactions in a video game to murder. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:08:00 -
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It was just a simulation.
It was just an experiment.
Click your heels together three times and repeat these words, "It's just a game . . . It's just a game . . . It's just a game." |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12742
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:40:00 -
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Irrelevant, again. Neither of your examples deal with computer games, both are experiments designed to see how people act under stress and in potential REAL LIFE situations.
When we're actually immortal, living in another universe, and can fly spaceships with our brains then you can use real life experiments such as those to illustrate a point.
Try harder.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:03:00 -
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There are bad people. -> Some bad people play EVE Online. -> Do they do good in the game?
Some of you seem to me to be "pathological liars". Would you say that lying about the game is "bad", or in some sense immoral? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
12756
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:12:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:More grandiose prattle to feed the posters sense of self importance The only bad thing about Eve is that people like you are allowed to play it.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4251
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:42:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Irrelevant, again. Neither of your examples deal with computer games, both were experiments designed to see how people act under duress and in potential REAL LIFE situations. I believe there was considerable debate about the ethics of such experiments at the time, they were deemed unethical. When we're actually immortal, living in another universe, and can fly spaceships with our brains, then you can use real life experiments such as those to illustrate a point about morality. Try harder. He's already a tryhard, no point. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Zappity
Kurved Space
335
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:43:00 -
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This is all far too metaphysical for me. It's simple, really:
Actions in game are not real. A person's response to those actions IS real.
Your in-game actions can make someone happy. You actions can make someone sad.
Whether their emotional response to what happens in a game is appropriate or not (well, it's not) is immaterial. They still have a negative experience. And you choose to cause it. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:06:00 -
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This thread is a negative experience. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:This thread is a negative experience.
This thread is why it should be illegal to get halfway through Ethics 101 and then rush to some forums to unleash your ~realtalk~ concerning video game morality. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
464
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:21:00 -
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I'm still waiting for people to contract me all their ships because no one is supposed to have any attachment to them nor get upset when they lose them. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:41:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:This thread is a negative experience. This thread is why it should be illegal to get halfway through Ethics 101 and then rush to some forums to unleash your ~realtalk~ concerning video game morality. That's the forums are about though. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1586
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Nope. 34 years old. 10 years in IT/Tech support. 2 years in a supervisor position. Worked for and with a few fortune 500 companies.
If you just want to call anyone that has a unique opinion on the meaning of morality a 12 year old to make yourself feel better about rationalizing your own views then I guess go right ahead. There isn't much I can do for you to help you see the world in a different light. You might want to try some capitalization and punctuation though. I hear the young people don't like to use that on their tweets. so playing a game in accordance to its rules is immoral thank you for setting my moral compass straight, Captain "the guy who ganked my hulk should be fired from his job irl" Tardbar Stranger things have happened with employers. Especially at the "management team" level, where they do team-building retreats, leadership-building seminars, that kind of stuff. Seven Habits of Effective People, whatever. Senior managers/owner who believe in that kind of stuff are trying to make themselves and their team into the ultimate go-getters-leaders-achievers. A little revelation about somebody's personal traits, or their outside activities can have significant effects on how he/she's viewed by the big bosses. And therefore their future in that organization. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
464
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:43:00 -
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Nope. No one even bothered to contract me a shuttle. I guess everyone must be too attached to their ships or something. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
335
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:43:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:This thread is a negative experience. This thread is why it should be illegal to get halfway through Ethics 101 and then rush to some forums to unleash your ~realtalk~ concerning video game morality.
Uh huh. Very good.
Aryth wrote:Be sure to send me any EVEmails you get with crying. I do so love suffering.
Maybe you should have a chat with him. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:28:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Nope. No one even bothered to contract me a shuttle. I guess everyone must be too attached to their ships or something.
You are trying way too hard dude.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
464
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:38:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Nope. No one even bothered to contract me a shuttle. I guess everyone must be too attached to their ships or something. You are trying way too hard dude.
I don't know. I was trying to get a carrier out of this. Certainly losing such a ship wouldn't bother you? You can even contract it in Goons space. I'll use my Goon contact to go get it. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4259
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:53:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Nope. No one even bothered to contract me a shuttle. I guess everyone must be too attached to their ships or something. You are trying way too hard dude. You're not worth it. A newbee got the ship instead There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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