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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:05:00 -
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looking over the bonuses for the new ships (which were ripped from sisi data)
Quote:Oracle - Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking speed and 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range per level. - 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets
- Naga Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Torpedo Velocity, 5% bonus to Torpedo explosion velocity, 10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level. - 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers 58% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers
Talos - Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. - 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets
Tornado - Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret Rate of Fire and 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level. - 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Projectile Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Projectile Turrets
Web/Target Painters have always been a minmatar ewar bonus. Gallente have traditionally always gotten bonuses to their point ranges and sensor damps.
I vote the Tornado should receive a point range bonus, if gallente are taking minmatar's web bonus. I've always been extremely annoyed by the lack of ewar on minmatar's arsenal, and now gallente have taken that
Anyways, this is not fair. Gallente's tier3 is the only one with any ewar bonuses, and its a minmatar ewar bonus. Yes, webs would work wonderfully with the blasters. How about Ewar bonuses on the Amarr ships now? And Tracking Disrupter bonuses for my minmatar ships?
Please keep the ewar seperated. The pirate faction ships have mixed some of these abilities (obviously because they are intended to be a mixture of technology from the two empires) but these tier3 ships, from what i understand, are not Pirate ships and should not be mixing bonuses from other races |
Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:08:00 -
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web range = minmatar
web strength = gallente
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Kent Reeves
Apollo Logistics Sexy Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:09:00 -
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Would this be a bad time to mention the Paladin and the Kronos? |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:10:00 -
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it's a serpentis bonus, which are gallente hulls, and the devblog said flat out the were making a mini vindi. The minmattar bonus for webs has always been range not effectiveness. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:15:00 -
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Kent Reeves wrote:Would this be a bad time to mention the Paladin and the Kronos?
Well, those are tech2 ships to start. And i entirely disagree with them having web bonuses as well. Though, they get away with it because they are generally used by carebears for PvE only
Pirate ships i can understand, since they are a mixture of empire technologies, but Tech1 racial ships should not be mixing bonuses imo.
Now, even if you disagree with this point, i sill think its unfair the Talos is the only of the three that receives ewar bonuses |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:21:00 -
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I agree with the OP Talos should not have that bonus....
Gallente Ships in General should.
Minmatar should not have the speed advantage and the solution to it.
Move all those Web Bonuses over to Gallente Ships post haste. Arazu, Lachesis, Celestis, Maulus, Keres, all range bonuses. Then give the Talos it's awesome web strength, Deimos, Thorax, Incursus and Hyperion while you are at it.
Game Fixed. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:25:00 -
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Change all Gallente bonuses to armor repair amount to match the Talos web bonus please. Thanks!
Also, just resubbing via PLEX from market to join in on the SiSi testing of this new stuff. ';..;' |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Game Fixed. Well, some of it fixed...
Anyway, OP, problem? Go QQ in your FOTM glass, I want some muthafucking web strength on my slow-ass hulls. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:31:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: Now, even if you disagree with this point, i sill think its unfair the Talos is the only of the four that receives ewar bonuses
That makes the Talos arguably the worst of the four. Yes, on paper, it's a good bonus. But it's nearly useless in fleets, and in solo, that kind of BC don't have the EHP to be really usable. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:35:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:web range = minmatar
web strength = gallente
next
Let me just quote this for the people that seem to have missed it. Lets all remember the Vigilant, Vindicator, Kronos and Daredevil who get a web SPEED bonus, unlike Minmatar who get a web RANGE bonus. So if you're going to make a thread about it, at least get it right as Gallente HAS the web speed bonused ships.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:37:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Game Fixed. Well, some of it fixed... Anyway, OP, problem? Go QQ in your FOTM glass, I want some muthafucking web strength on my slow-ass hulls. FOTM glass?
Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid |
Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:40:00 -
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Slight Tangent... Does ths mean we'll be able to fit a rack of Tachs on a bc...? |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:42:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid That was ******* weak, sir.
From you in this thread: "whine whine whine about my Minnie hulls not being as OP as this new Gayllente hull." It has also been stated that this isn't even that good of a bonus.
Please, cry more. It's awesome. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:53:00 -
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Talos is a mini vindi, tornado is a mini mach, is it really worth the QQ when it's already a superior hull. |
Little Delicious
Imperium's Dark Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.29 06:55:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid
how is FOTM a "wow thing"? are you some kind of idiot? |
FluffyDice
Eve Corporation 20111026 The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:17:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Handsome ******* wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Game Fixed. Well, some of it fixed... Anyway, OP, problem? Go QQ in your FOTM glass, I want some muthafucking web strength on my slow-ass hulls. FOTM glass? Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid
I think im ready to take your original post seriously OP. As you are obviously a level headed individual who put alot of thought into it. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:35:00 -
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meh
I dont consider my post to be 'whining'. I was simply pointing out my opinions on the ship bonuses, disagree with them if you like. Replying with "QQ moar" on every thread you disagree with is rather childish, however.
I was hoping there would be others who saw these bonuses as in need of tweaking. I really dont want to see the Rapier and Huginn get shoved aside for a gallente ship.
Little Delicious wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote: Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid
how is FOTM a "wow thing"? are you some kind of idiot?
He said "FOTM" and i've never heard that expression before, so i googled it, and apparently its a drink in WOW. There appears to be other definitions, such as "Fungus of the Month" from a botony website, and "Fans of Traditional Music" but i figured the "Flavor of the Month" mug from WOW was what he was referencing, given that he was mentioning taking a drink out of it, and this is Eve, which uses WOW frequently to insult others. I guess i'm an idiot. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:39:00 -
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With it's fall off bonus to large guns combined with it's speed advantage, the Tornado should have the edge over the short range though powerful webs of the Talos unless the Talos can warp right on top of the Tornado.
Internet meme's can be confusing, best just to avoid them and avoid commenting on them whenever possible. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.10.29 07:50:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I was hoping there would be others who saw these bonuses as in need of tweaking. I really dont want to see the Rapier and Huginn get shoved aside for a gallente ship. I highly doubt a T1 gank BC is going to replace two T2 recons... Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:05:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:With it's fall off bonus to large guns combined with it's speed advantage, the Tornado should have the edge over the short range though powerful webs of the Talos unless the Talos can warp right on top of the Tornado.
Internet meme's can be confusing, best just to avoid them and avoid commenting on them whenever possible.
Yeah but what does it matter if the tornado has to fight outside of point range? Its enemy can simply leave. While Gallente's version has the ability to 'do it all', high damage, high tackle, all in the same package.
Anyways, i do believe that these tier3's should have their bonuses harmonized. IE: They all get an ewar/utility type bonus, or none of them do.
Just like all the recons got their racial ECM bonuses, and HAC's did not. There was no middle ground where matar's HAC got ECM abilities or anything odd like that |
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Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:24:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote: Yeah but what does it matter if the tornado has to fight outside of point range? Its enemy can simply leave. While Gallente's version has the ability to 'do it all', high damage, high tackle, all in the same package.
Really... really.... reeeeally.
Is sort of good tackle a crap tank and close range weapons on an Armor Boat woith 5 Lows what passes for all around hear now days.
But hey it does blow the Torando out of the water...
Unless that Tornado is fit with a Warp Disruptor, then the Talos is #@%$ed with a capital #.
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Ratnose Banker
Pink Sockers
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:32:00 -
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Web bonus is overpowered imo. Give the other tier3 bcs similar bonus or remove the web bonus.
If hybrids suck so bad then why not give the caldari bc a similar bonus? |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
230
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:35:00 -
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Ratnose Banker wrote: If hybrids suck so bad then why not give the caldari bc a similar bonus?
Because Webs are useless on a Rail Boat.
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Azelor Delaria
Error-404
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:40:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Handsome ******* wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Game Fixed. Well, some of it fixed... Anyway, OP, problem? Go QQ in your FOTM glass, I want some muthafucking web strength on my slow-ass hulls. FOTM glass? Oh a WOW thing. You know whats funny about your insult, is i've literally played about 30 minutes of WoW (and never went back) Yet you are the one who's making references to WoW items. Go back to your fairys and goblins, kid
I play WoW.
You're still a whiny ****.
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URDEAD2ME
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.29 08:40:00 -
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Toros Revoke wrote:Slight Tangent... Does ths mean we'll be able to fit a rack of Tachs on a bc...?
yup altho fitting much else be a pain to some extent like it is on a bs with a full rack of them. |
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:33:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Ratnose Banker wrote: If hybrids suck so bad then why not give the caldari bc a similar bonus?
Because Webs are useless on a Rail Boat. then how about a target painter bonus to go along with the torps?
or give the oracle a neut bonus
etc etc |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries Galactic Acqisition Specialists
5
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:44:00 -
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When everything is said and done, this is CCP's game. If they want to add a web bonus to the Talos, they can. Personally I would like to see a painter bonus on the Naga, a tracking disrupt or NOS/Nuet on the Oracle, and a web range bonus on the Tornado. Of course like my late grandmother used to say "Be happy with what you get, worrying about the 'could have' will just drive you crazy." Here sanity, nice sanity.....*THWOOK*Got the bastard |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
230
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:47:00 -
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Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous wrote: then how about a target painter bonus to go along with the torps?
It already has 4 Bonuses, isn't that enough for you. I am very disappointed in your bonus selfishness.
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous wrote: or give the oracle a neut bonus
Sure why not, would you rather have less range or worse tracking for the Neuts you have no utility slots for. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:48:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Ratnose Banker wrote: If hybrids suck so bad then why not give the caldari bc a similar bonus?
Because Webs are useless on a Rail Boat.
They're pretty god damb nice on a torp boat, though. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
230
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Posted - 2011.10.29 09:53:00 -
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Planktal wrote: and a web range bonus on the Tornado. Because really just **** everyone who is not flying Minmatar. Just as hard as you can bend them over and remind them that if you want to play this game in a Blob of less then 20 people ya gotta choose Minmatar.
Web Strength Bonus is Crap compared to Web Range. But in the hands of the Nado which can Kite faster then a Nano Rupture, well.... Just bend over for a Sec.
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