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baltec1
Bat Country
7791
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:53:00 -
[1711] - Quote
And?
They are still going to be balanced vs t1 ships. |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
3
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:54:00 -
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The problem is the Bastion mode. You can't use it, where you want it badly. 60 seconds cycle time! In WH with no local and people that can scan, loot piniata. In o.o and low sec say thank you titan and BO bridge. In high sec, with nerfed ehp, i would never use them again, maybe to be the lol on a killboard...
For what in hell you need so much tank? incursions runs better with dedicated fleet Pirate BS or VG with fast locking and fast moving ships. In lvl4 you can easily approach the next gate, when all shot down jum instandly in the next pocket, for what the hell i need an MJD? No matter what you think, i think the majority of the real users don't want them this way.
Fix scan res, maybe a MWD bonus, fix sensor strenght and don't lower drone bandwith, maybe some people use salvage drones? My mates fly often in little fleets with rr in L4s, the noob that flyes with me, can't make anything i have with bastion superior range and he? If he moves, i can't rep him anymore (utilityslots). I don't like the idea.
Please, forget the bastion idea, else make it useful. Shut on/off mechanik, no cycle time. Make scripts for the bastion modul, one to make the class viable for different use PVE/PVP. Don't balance marauders for the AT. In PVP you are the sitting duck, waiting to be bombd or else alphad from a small ABC group.
I see in this Modul new ways to collapse WHs, to bump freighter or orcas by fair more strenght ever known, this going to be worst. in future you need a bumping marauder for station games, now you can bump caps, yay! sorry, this is what i see this for the bastion thing.... |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
3315
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:54:00 -
[1713] - Quote
Damage application & projection = real damage
Ten Thousand Years is recruiting pioneer spirits to Solitude. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill Exiled Ones
5
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:56:00 -
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Proposition to fix planned marauders:
1) Remove 7,5 repair amount bonus
2) Reduce bastion repair amount bonus from 100% to 50%.
2) Add 4% resist (amarr, cldari) or 7,5 % hp (gallente, minmatar) bonus
3) Rise base armour/shield resists 10-15%.
Problem solved.
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Battle Cube
Cubes' Freakout Room.
23
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:58:00 -
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i used to joke about how the marauder should be changed into "luxery battleship" because of how it wasnt really very good before... but i would take that now.
Give us a luxery battleship. More drone space, more utility, more bonuses (tractor beam, salvager.... survey scanner.... i dont know) maybe an ammo bay, maybe a drone loading system from cargo, make it a smooth ride :\
make bastion mode turn the ship into a concessions stand..... give like 1% fleet boosts..... give it rep bonus...... i dont know |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group Gatekeepers Universe
58
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:03:00 -
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Shade Millith wrote:A tank bonus gives you more damage application, because you're wasting less slots on tank that you could be using for target painters/tracking enhancers/damage mods!! Rather than using 4-5 slots for tank, you can drop it down to 2 or 3. You can only fit 3 damage mods and 3 application mods without being stacking penalized severely. They fit well on pitate BS already. I see your point, indeed you can save some slots. But for PVE there is not much you can add in there, and using Marauders for PVP is ridiculously stupid. |
marVLs
392
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:04:00 -
[1717] - Quote
Shade Millith wrote: A tank bonus gives you more damage application, because you're wasting less slots on tank that you could be using for target painters/tracking enhancers/damage mods!! Rather than using 4-5 slots for tank, you can drop it down to 2 or 3.
In theory yes, practically nope.
In LVL4's RNI needs nothing more to buff damage and still will do missions faster because don't need to be immobilized.
In Incursions (shield HQ, that's biggest community): Paladin way worse than Nightmare. Kronos way worse than Vindi. Golem, could be used thanks to TP bonus and Cruise missile awesome buff, but no use of bastion, and still turrets > missiles in Incursions, so everyone will prefer another Vindi with web bonus, agility, and awesome DPS. Vargur? Better use mach, more mobility (vargur bastion will not hold those sites so no buff to range and tracking) |
baltec1
Bat Country
7791
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:07:00 -
[1718] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:and using Marauders for PVP is ridiculously stupid.
Not with these changes its not. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
293
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:09:00 -
[1719] - Quote
Battle Cube wrote:i used to joke about how the marauder should be changed into "luxery battleship" because of how it wasnt really very good before... but i would take that now.
Give us a luxery battleship. More drone space, more utility, more bonuses (tractor beam, salvager.... survey scanner.... i dont know) maybe an ammo bay, maybe a drone loading system from cargo, make it a smooth ride :\
make bastion mode turn the ship into a concessions stand..... give like 1% fleet boosts..... give it rep bonus...... i dont know
This is a fun idea. Also, would suggest and on-board cabin for your mission agent so you can accept and complete missions without returning to station.
Winter marauders - Mutant Ninja Space Turtles
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Battle Cube
Cubes' Freakout Room.
24
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:11:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Battle Cube wrote:i used to joke about how the marauder should be changed into "luxery battleship" because of how it wasnt really very good before... but i would take that now.
Give us a luxery battleship. More drone space, more utility, more bonuses (tractor beam, salvager.... survey scanner.... i dont know) maybe an ammo bay, maybe a drone loading system from cargo, make it a smooth ride :\
make bastion mode turn the ship into a concessions stand..... give like 1% fleet boosts..... give it rep bonus...... i dont know This is a fun idea. Also, would suggest and on-board cabin for your mission agent so you can accept and complete missions without returning to station.
AWWWE YEEAAHH add in walk-in-ship, have a little bar, give us a house in there so we can buy furnature and play minecraft in our cabin |
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Shade Millith
Bite Me inc Bitten.
89
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:15:00 -
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Battle Cube wrote: Meh.... in a shield fit the most of the lows you were using was a damage control, and freeing mids just gets you more damage application but not real damage. So less tank slots on a shield fit marauder just means a little more range on its already high bonuses in bastion mode - so what does this mean? Very little increased dps. I mean, before hand i was using rigs for dps and all lows but maybe 2 on my vargur. .
http://i.imgur.com/5xvLfzP.jpg
That one slot tank Vargur is going to get the same tank the 3 mid/1 low slot tank Vargur would get.
And that's not including the falloff bonus from the Bastion mod. |
Aganola
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
1
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:16:00 -
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[quote=CCP Ytterbium] stuff[/guote]
I can see, someone has been watching GUNDAM lately. This 'Bastion' module is an echo of Atrhun Zala's Aegis, nice nod, I like it... :-)
In all seriousness, the Marauders should be that: marauders, harassers, kings of dirty tricks and always a having gun under the table.
What most people do not realize is that CCP is afraid to boost these ships too much because of current 0.0. I mean, seriously think about it: let loose 250 of these buggers in a fleet and not even Titans will have a fighting chance to survive (guess you should not have had to remove their ability to target subcaps, eh?)
Still, the biggest winner of the current changes will be the Golem. And the biggest loser will be the Kronos.
I'd opt to include a SCRIPT into the bastion module: one for damage dealing and one for tanking. It can be run unscripted but then it will be not as specialized.
Like this:
Unscripted ~~~~~~~~~~ - +2% bonus to shield/armour/hull resistances per level of bastion skill (skillzz, yeah, we totally need that, ;-) no stacking penalty!) - +2% bonus to shield/armour/hull repairers per level - +2% bonus to large turret falloff/optimal and missile velocity per level - +2% bonus to tracking and explosion velocity per level - not immune to EW
Scripted: damage (battering ram) ~~~~~~~~~~ - +10% bonus to damage of weapons systems per level (no stacking penalty!) - +5% bonus to turret tracking and missile explosion velocity per level - NOT immune to EW (!) - can be remotely assisted
Scripted: tank (bastion) ~~~~~~~~~~ - +5% bonus to shield/armour/hull resistances per level (no stacking penalty!) - +20% of shield/armour/hull repair amount per level - Immune to all forms of EW (yes, including neut) - Cannot be remotely assisted (no energy transfer, no remote repairs, no tracking enhancers)
The rest is the same. (Read: immobile, mass x10, 10CPU/100PG, only one per Marauder, 60 sec cycle, cannot be deactivated before that, recieves flag, etc)
This way we have a heavy hitter OR a heavy tanker, but not both at the same time! You can do Incursions with the battering ram (damage script), or you can do 10/10s of level5s with the bastion (tank script).
Now, let us look at the ships:
PALADIN ~~~~~~~ Skill bonuses (Amarr): +2% bonus to capacitor capacity and recharge rate per level +5% bonus to large energy turret damage per level
Skill bonuses (Marauder): +5% bonus to repair amount, repair speed +5% bonus to range and velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level
Shield/Armour/Hull: 6000/9000/7000
GOLEM ~~~~~ Skill bonuses (Caldari): +2% bonus to to cruise missile/torpedo velocity and cruise missile/torpedo explosion velocity per level +5% bonust to large missile damage per level
Skill bonuses (Marauder): +5% bonus to shield boost amount +5% bonus to range and effectiveness of target painters per level
Shield/Armour/Hull: 8100/6000/7000
KRONOS ~~~~~~ Skill bonuses (Gallente): +2% bonus to large hybrid turret tracking rate per level +5% bonus to large hybrid turret damage per level
Skill bonuses (Marauder): +5% bonus to repair amount, repair speed of armour per level +10% bonus to velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level
Shield/Armour/Hull: 5900/7500/9000
VARGUR ~~~~~~ Skill bonuses (Minmatar): +2% bonus to large projectile turret falloff rate per level +5% bonus to large projectile turret damage per level
Skill bonuses (Marauder): +5% bonus to shield boost amount +5% bonus to effectiveness of target painters and range of stasis webifiers per level
Shield/Armour/Hull: 7500/6500/6400
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CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:16:00 -
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Marauder fleet boost bonuses, that would rock. Also what Aganola said.
anyway that bastion stuff and whatnot changes atm you are planning are just bad If you want us to use marauders then they better be worth 1b+
random ass vindicator can do 2.2k dps, costs 1b+... who the hell would buy marauder instead? |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
154
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:17:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Shade Millith wrote: A tank bonus gives you more damage application, because you're wasting less slots on tank that you could be using for target painters/tracking enhancers/damage mods!! Rather than using 4-5 slots for tank, you can drop it down to 2 or 3.
In theory yes, practically nope. In LVL4's RNI needs nothing more to buff damage and still will do missions faster because don't need to be immobilized. In Incursions (shield HQ, that's biggest community): Paladin way worse than Nightmare. Kronos way worse than Vindi. Golem, could be used thanks to TP bonus and Cruise missile awesome buff, but no use of bastion, and still turrets > missiles in Incursions, so everyone will prefer another Vindi with web bonus, agility, and awesome DPS. Vargur? Better use mach, more mobility (vargur bastion will not hold those sites so no buff to range and tracking)
Faction BS do more damage by the drones and are way faster with the MWD, so the new marauders are over tanked and hardly interesting compared her current iteration.
As for armor Incs the Paladin is at the same level with other faction BS(1 slot tanked NM is the better contest boat, mostly because the Paladin takes ages to get locks, Paladin is the better grind ship, because doesn't need support to take down frigs). The good capacitor, 90% web, extra utility high slots and T2 resists make it fairly good(I would even call it the overall best armor Inc ship). Even with the lower dps I like the Kronos more than the Vindicator atm, simply because of the utility high slots what are really good in case of logi disconnects, capping stuff up if you just run with Onis or having enough cargo for tons of ammo, sniper fitting, travel fitting and a shuttle.
The lack of sentry dps and lacking of the 90% webs will hit both very hard. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group Gatekeepers Universe
58
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:and using Marauders for PVP is ridiculously stupid. Not with these changes its not. Yes, it is. Because tough guys dont need to prove anything. Arguments are for suckers. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2482
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:20:00 -
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Better transformation video imo Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:23:00 -
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Daishan Auergni wrote:I've seen a bunch of ppl complain that the MJD isn't suited for lvl4 gates because the gates aren't exactly 100KM off...
May I introduce the concept of the TRIANGLE? 3-sided shape. Should be familiar. Pick an acute angle such that jumping BACK will make the 3rd leg of the triangle whatever distance you need? I know. Takes some reckoning skill but surely it's better than doing 6KM/minute (~100m/s). With some practice jumping twice will land you on a gate or wreck or whatever in 2 minutes.
I mentioned this a couple of days back. It also has the benefit of rewarding player skill. Knowing when to use the bastion module, being able to eyeball the angles to MJD right where you want, these are things that require skill, and reward those who are good at them.
Isn't the addition of opportunities for skilled players to shine what people want?
Quote: The web nerfs for Palidan and Kronos, at least in Incurions, isn't the end of the world. Vanguard squads are going to need Lokis or Bhaals to long point things once again. 3x 60% webs will do the job. The increased range for Scorch or Null will make killing frigate spawns at range easier since sebo'd or re-sebo'd Pallys can stand with Nightmare lock times. No more gimped marauder sensor rez, yay!
That nobody has been attempting to make a good case for all marauders to get the web bonus leads me to read all the wailing about losing it as "Don't nerf me bro!", which is always suspect.
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baltec1
Bat Country
7792
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:24:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:and using Marauders for PVP is ridiculously stupid. Not with these changes its not. Yes, it is. Because tough guys dont need to prove anything. Arguments are for suckers.
I already have plans to use the kronos for small gangs, and as a sniper and a blaster brawler.
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
294
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:24:00 -
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Battle Cube wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Battle Cube wrote:i used to joke about how the marauder should be changed into "luxery battleship" because of how it wasnt really very good before... but i would take that now.
Give us a luxery battleship. More drone space, more utility, more bonuses (tractor beam, salvager.... survey scanner.... i dont know) maybe an ammo bay, maybe a drone loading system from cargo, make it a smooth ride :\
make bastion mode turn the ship into a concessions stand..... give like 1% fleet boosts..... give it rep bonus...... i dont know This is a fun idea. Also, would suggest and on-board cabin for your mission agent so you can accept and complete missions without returning to station. AWWWE YEEAAHH add in walk-in-ship, have a little bar, give us a house in there so we can buy furnature and play minecraft in our cabin add built in refinery.... add limited docking/repair/fitting services for nubs, add a ship bay.....
What, you mean actually make it able to maraud? Like not go home ever? You'd need a mini ammo factory on board... Winter marauders - Mutant Ninja Space Turtles
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Critical Issue
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:26:00 -
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I will use it everyday for anything. I think it's too cool not to fly it around. No, really. |
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Battle Cube
Cubes' Freakout Room.
26
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:26:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Battle Cube wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Battle Cube wrote:i used to joke about how the marauder should be changed into "luxery battleship" because of how it wasnt really very good before... but i would take that now.
Give us a luxery battleship. More drone space, more utility, more bonuses (tractor beam, salvager.... survey scanner.... i dont know) maybe an ammo bay, maybe a drone loading system from cargo, make it a smooth ride :\
make bastion mode turn the ship into a concessions stand..... give like 1% fleet boosts..... give it rep bonus...... i dont know This is a fun idea. Also, would suggest and on-board cabin for your mission agent so you can accept and complete missions without returning to station. AWWWE YEEAAHH add in walk-in-ship, have a little bar, give us a house in there so we can buy furnature and play minecraft in our cabin add built in refinery.... add limited docking/repair/fitting services for nubs, add a ship bay..... What, you mean actually make it able to maraud? Like not go home ever? You'd need a mini ammo factory on board... do you know i was actually going to post that too, but i dont know engredients for ammo as im not a manufacturer, but it would be awesome and hilarious and useless and i want it.
Imagine if they made it a "just for fun" ship...i could see it now....
"Marauder: this ship class was designed with its user base in mind. Long time vetts tired of uncomfortable chairs, inconvenience and the daily grind can now opt for a more comfortable drive.... with built in cabin, they can even take a nap while tanking those guristas. The on board bar and food stands allow for the captain to entertain new capsuleers and show them what true luxery is. With build in agent communication array, ammo production line, and drone loading bay, you can stay out longer without needing to dock at stuffy corporate stations. Not the highest damage output of all battleships, but rather for those of more discerning tastes.
Requires monicle or odins eye to operate. " |
Xander Kross
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:29:00 -
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No matter what anybody says, changes to marauders are overall good. One more thing, if we are getting all this extra tank, can we get lvl 5 missions in highsec too? |
Aganola
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
1
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:30:00 -
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GOLEM TRANSFORMATION REVEALED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQAvMUUJr4 |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
154
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:30:00 -
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I rather prefer my Kronos the way it is with rails. It can do Buzz Kill without even scratching the armor in 18 minutes, it can mwd quickly to the gate in AE, take down the gate spawn at range with sentry's and rails reasonable quick and utilize the 90% web + sentry's in stage 2 and 3 to kill everything from the warp in(total time of the mission is like 20 minutes, mostly by the low dps, what is actually still higher than your Blaster fitting).
I realize there is a certain use of ships that support doing it wrong(like fitting a cap booster, dual prop and blasters on a Kronos) and that can't be lost in any situation without being completely afk but I think it is a big mistake balancing the hulls around this, since it is pretty bad for people that fully utilize her marauders atm.
If you have to, at least leave the web bonus on the Kronos and Paladin and add your new falloff(useless for rails) and optimal(not worth the web strength for a lot of application in the Pala) bonus instead of the active tank bonus, It is not relevant with the bastion mod anyway and even without it currently not really of value to me(since you don't really need tank for L4, if you do them right). Also do not gimp her speed and drone bay by default, if you have to bind this changes at the bastion mod(becoming a brick with a lot less dps with it) to leave people that will never fit it at least the option to keep her marauder as it is, instead of a horrible over tanked brick with bad dps. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
294
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:35:00 -
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Daishan Auergni wrote:I've seen a bunch of ppl complain that the MJD isn't suited for lvl4 gates because the gates aren't exactly 100KM off...
May I introduce the concept of the TRIANGLE? ...
I mentioned this a couple of days back. ... [quote]
In all cases where the gate is less than 70km away, you're better off with a microwarp drive than a single MJD.
The MJD is unnecessary for PVE, and pretty difficult to use well in PVP.
A MWD cap-use bonus would actually be more useful than a MJD cooldown bonus.
Winter marauders - Mutant Ninja Space Turtles
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baltec1
Bat Country
7792
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:39:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:
In all cases where the gate is less than 70km away, you're better off with a microwarp drive than a single MJD.
The MJD is unnecessary for PVE, and pretty difficult to use well in PVP.
A MWD cap-use bonus would actually be more useful than a MJD cooldown bonus.
You put both on the ship... |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
294
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:
In all cases where the gate is less than 70km away, you're better off with a microwarp drive than a single MJD.
The MJD is unnecessary for PVE, and pretty difficult to use well in PVP.
A MWD cap-use bonus would actually be more useful than a MJD cooldown bonus.
You put both on the ship...
Yes I saw the fit. The MJD is unnecessary since in reality it accomplishes nothing that a MWD cannot.
Winter marauders - Mutant Ninja Space Turtles
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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.09.03 11:02:00 -
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Gwen Ambraelle wrote: Ytterbium's post only confirms what I thought these things would be able to do. I must admit the idea of both a MWD and MJD never occurred to me (I thought for some reason you could only have one or the other fitted, live and learn), but that removes issues with gate to gate travel.
Well, the main thing is that most battleships have to make uncomfortable compromises to fit both a MJD and a MWD - that's two mid slots and a lot of CPU and PG.
My concerns are:
1) the drone bays are a bit stingy. At the very least the Kronos deserves an extra 25m3 of bay, so it can fly mediums and have a flight of lights (or whatever) in reserve.
2) Given that the resist profiles are not full T2 ones, and that these ships are supposedly not intended for full-on fleet actions (i.e. their lore doesn't support 'buffed resists vs. racial enemies'), they could be smoothed out somewhat. The Kronos and the Golem (and to a lesser extent the Vargur) have rather large resist holes that effective eat a module slot to fill that the Paladin (and maybe the Vargur) doesn't have.
3) The Paladin's cap bonus seems odd, given all the other ships have some kind of application bonus (tracking, painter bloom). It only works as a damage application bonus if the Paladin is cap-starved as a normal state of affairs if you lack Marauders V. As it's base cap recharge rate is considerably higher than that of an Apoc, it seems unlikely to be horribly cap-starved. However, I'm not sure what would be a good replacement, as lasers generally have pretty good tracking, so a tracking bonus might be too good, and it does mean that a skilled Paladin pilot will be able to be very free with MWD useage when not in bastion.
4) The Golem's bonus to painters means that while other Marauders have a bonus to DPS, the Golem instead has two bonuses to application. This isn't bad in and of itself (avoids homogenisation), but as the bonus also effectively says "And Thou Shalt Fill Thy Mids With Painters", which seems restrictive to me. I'd prefer a missile explosion velocity bonus. Yes, that would give the Golem radius and velocity bonuses, but as torps have awful radii, and both torps and cruise missiles have very poor explosion velocity, I don't think this would have unreasonable results.
Points 1&2 concern me more than 3&4.
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Lair Osen
Unlawful Unit
5
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Posted - 2013.09.03 11:05:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Yes I saw the fit. The MJD is unnecessary since in reality it accomplishes nothing that a MWD cannot.
A MJD allows you to go straight to good sniping distances (for LR weapon tracking) instead of racing against npcs when accel gates inevitably dump you in the middle of a blob Also they allow you to warp out in 11 seconds in any circumstances if aligned (or a few more to align after MJDing) instead of trying to outrun a bunch of webbing and pointing elite frigates (this is why I wouldn't consider NOT putting one on any PVE ship) |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.09.03 11:15:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote: Just to put the record straight, wormhole gank squads will only scan you down if they have no other option - i.e. you are in a signature that they did not scan down before you logged on.
Usually we just follow you into an anomaly with a scout ship and call in the hictor drop on the scout.
Unless you have our wormhole covered with a scout of your own you have maximum 15 seconds to react *if* you see the hictor on d-scan while it's on final approach.
Or you get scrammed and webbed by a cloaky T3, when the gank squad, including hictor jump in and warp onto you. The thing is, bastion or no bastion doesn't matter a damn, because you're going nowhere unless you have friends to help get those scrams off you. Really expensive ships running solo get ganked, and IME it doesn't really matter what special tricks they have unless it's something in the order of a nullified T3 (and of course they tend to suck at anything other than being stealthy and slippery). I don't really think having bastion makes marauders any more gankable than not, assuming normal caution is applied (aside from being really unlucky when a WH opens into your system). The nullbears that don't dock up as soon as they hear about a local spike a system over will get ganked, but they do anyway.
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