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Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:01:00 -
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ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!
The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards! Join channel: baloonparty |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
245
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:09:00 -
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This won't take off...not on a large scale anyway. I'm sure some groups will try, but even with better range they still won't out-dps a pirate fleet.
There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders. thhief ghabmoef |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:16:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:This won't take off...not on a large scale anyway. I'm sure some groups will try, but even with better range they still won't out-dps a pirate fleet.
There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.
Blaster Kronos anyone? |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:33:00 -
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Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:52:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.
3580 DPS from OTAs (1800 of that is tamas which would die quickly...)
A Gist-XType X-Large Shield vargur with 2 pith B invulns, a pith B amp, and a damage control. Tops out at 1611 stable tank x 10% for the local rep boost X 2 for the bastion bonus. That's like what, 3689 tank after patch (and that's not even including the resistance bonus or an off-grid booster)
Now take into account that DPS is going to be remove rather quickly, and you've got your solo incursions :) |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:56:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.
A lot of armor pilots can fly them(I got multiple marauder 5 pilots and fly my Paladin nearly every day), because Kronos and Paladin actually are pretty good ships for Incs atm.
The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
355
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:22:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote: The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang.
This. Not today spaghetti. |
Ariel Dawn
F9X
1120
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:37:00 -
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With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:08:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:23:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.
Bastion gives complete ECM immunity. |
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Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:28:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.
What I see is a vanguard fleet that runs 24/7 full of marauders, where it doesn't matter how many people are in the fleet, you can just jump in and out with an open fleet advert. No drama :) |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
151
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:10:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea. What I see is a vanguard fleet that runs 24/7 full of marauders, where it doesn't matter how many people are in the fleet, you can just jump in and out with an open fleet advert. No drama :)
Would be kind of ironic, since the people that actually run a full marauder setup for VGs today will most likely drop the fleet doctrine, with the removal of 90% webs. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:37:00 -
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Gal'o Sengen wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea. Bastion gives complete ECM immunity. I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Kithran
65
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:32:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Gal'o Sengen wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea. Bastion gives complete ECM immunity. I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.
It should work.
ECCM works by increasing your sensor strength however incursion rats increase their jamming strength each time they fail to jam.
If the EWar immunity is like other ewar immunity it completely prevents jams - even if you had 5000 ec-300s on you you still couldn't get jammed whereas if it just worked like eccm you would find the ec-300 swarm could jam supposedly immune ships. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
169
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:34:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well. ECCM is not the same as EWar immunity. If EWar immunity doesn't prevent ECM, that's a massive case of false advertisement. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:45:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Gal'o Sengen wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Ariel Dawn wrote:With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites? No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea. Bastion gives complete ECM immunity. I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.
5 friends, it would limit your site times to multiples of 1 minute though xD |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
401
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:50:00 -
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IsBoxers farming heavens welcome to eve online!
We missed you badly... http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:51:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:IsBoxers farming heavens welcome to eve online!
We missed you badly...
Buy up those marauder pilots while you can :) |
Gareth Burns
Astricom
31
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:13:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!
The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards!
I would bring a couple Marauder Pilots in on something like this...
But not for someone named "The Secret Pony-Brigade"
Why would I ever do that... EVER Noblesse Oblige Gû¦ Gareth Burns |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:15:00 -
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Gareth Burns wrote:Keith Planck wrote:ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!
The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards! I would bring a couple Marauder Pilots in on something like this... But not for someone named "The Secret Pony-Brigade" Why would I ever do that... EVER
Haters gonna hate |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1174
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:16:00 -
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I don't see these mini dreads boding well for incursions.... is there a way in hell for them to tank an Assault or HQ Alpha w/o remote reps? lol imagine the TPPH's & MJDing then having to fly 25k after a MJD jump after the 1 minute cooldown from siege.
If they could tank an VG alpha (which I doubt) w/o logi then they'll be OP there and not need any logi. So either we'll see the return of the old legion-like fleet doctorine ( but this time all Mauders & no logi ) or a complete abandonment of them.
In a word UNBALANCED An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
530
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:I don't see these mini dreads boding well for incursions.... is there a way in hell for them to tank an Assault or HQ Alpha w/o remote reps? lol imagine the TPPH's & MJDing then having to fly 25k after a MJD jump after the 1 minute cooldown from siege.
If they could tank an VG alpha (which I doubt) w/o logi then they'll be OP there and not need any logi. So either we'll see the return of the old legion-like fleet doctorine ( but this time all Mauders & no logi ) or a complete abandonment of them.
In a word UNBALANCED
They can tank VGs, I don't see why you doubt that... |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
129
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:30:00 -
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At the very least it will make destroying the tower in the TPPH site go rather fast. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1174
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:16:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:At the very least it will make destroying the tower in the TPPH site go rather fast.
Why? There is no damage bonus just a range(projection) bonus and you can already position the ships in optimal rather easily. An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
129
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:40:00 -
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Huh, thought there was. Prolly will be by the time they finish with it. Wonder if bastion mode will take into account OGBs? If so the resists in Bastion mode will be insane. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1174
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:48:00 -
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CCP Yitterbium wrote: BASTION MODULE
GÇóProvides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Yitterbium wrote: BASTION MODULE
GÇóProvides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet
For a smaller corp, these things are Gona be fun to loose. How much of a pain in the arse do you think a squadron of those things are going to be to kill. Can't wait. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Agolon
Insight Limited
0
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Yitterbium wrote: BASTION MODULE
GÇóProvides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet
It will be 73% hull resist not 90%. It will give 30% resist to the remaining 40% resist after DC2 is applied. Its not Stacking penalized but it does have to follow the normal resist profile of each mod affecting Resist's |
Novah Soul
37
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Posted - 2013.09.01 17:05:00 -
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Agolon wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Yitterbium wrote: BASTION MODULE
GÇóProvides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
So with a DC II you got 90% across the board resists.... x up for HULL fleet It will be 73% hull resist not 90%. It will give 30% resist to the remaining 40% resist after DC2 is applied. Its not Stacking penalized but it does have to follow the normal resist profile of each mod affecting Resist's Correct :) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3233
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Posted - 2013.09.04 13:38:00 -
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It's 72%.
((100-60)*30/100)+60. |
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