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Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
136
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:07:00 -
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The marauder was a broken PVE ship, now its only a high sec PVE ship?
Using the Bastion module in null-sec, in a ship as expensive as a marauder is not going to be a good idea. True, you could leave the bastion module off, but I'd just be thinking "I'm using this ship wrong" - and that's the terrible thing, this ship actively discourages use in null.
I'm dissapointed. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
77
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:08:00 -
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Atleast nothing changed, huh? |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
85960
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:12:00 -
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Use Bastion Mod in Low/Null?
Perfect my Phoenix can HIT THAT!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
41620
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:12:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Using the Bastion module in null-sec, in a ship as expensive as a marauder is not going to be a good idea.
Cap Ships are cheaper ? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2635
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:25:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:The marauder was a broken PVE ship, now its only a high sec PVE ship?
Using the Bastion module in null-sec, in a ship as expensive as a marauder is not going to be a good idea. True, you could leave the bastion module off, but I'd just be thinking "I'm using this ship wrong" - and that's the terrible thing, this ship actively discourages use in null.
I'm dissapointed.
Marudaers will be useful in null as 10/10 DED complex solo-pwnmobiles. But it would be stupid to siege...I'm sorry, to "bastion" (lol) in an anomaly.
Still, the marauders are getting other buffs, they won't be any worse in null without the bastion module, in fact they should be a slight bit better. Faster MJDing won't help but it's a cool feature
Just because a ship can use a mod doesn't mean it has to.
All that said I'd stick with my machariel for null pve.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1209
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:28:00 -
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Marauder ships are now better, you'll see them more in tournaments and small gang warfare. Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP... I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Menian Galvon
Legion of the Black Knight
5
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:36:00 -
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Im really excited. Sniping will be so much fun...... *ZAP* OH **** IM AT PERFECT RANGE NOW BITCHES. BLAP YOU DEAD. *ZAP* AND I"M OUT BITCHES ---{==================================== }---- -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á DCS: A-10C Warthog Pilot
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Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
136
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:46:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Marauder ships are now better, you'll see them more in tournaments and small gang warfare. Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP...
No, I appreciate that they'll now be more competent in small gang, and I like that. I don't like that ships which have been re-worked to suit their role as high end pve boats, are only fully effective in high sec missions, an income source that allready provides huge reward for negligable risk. Using bastion-mode in the null-sec equivelent anoms would be an incredibly stupid move, which means that regular battleships will still be better, not what I expect from the ethos of the marauders.
I hoped the marauders would give null sec anom runners an alternative to carriers (and I know people claim certain Pirate/faction BSs are better for anoms than carriers, but they're wrong (and more expensive)). |
Dave Stark
3387
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:53:00 -
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Menian Galvon wrote:Im really excited. Sniping will be so much fun...... *ZAP* OH **** IM AT PERFECT RANGE NOW BITCHES. BLAP YOU DEAD. *ZAP* AND I'M STUCK IN BASTION MODE AND OH **** OH **** OH **** I'VE JUST LOST A 1BN ISK SHIP
ftfy. |
Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:55:00 -
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Marauders were kind of designed for PVE I think.. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
228
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:57:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Marauder ships are now better, you'll see them more in tournaments and small gang warfare. Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP... Bastion wil be banned in tourneys. Beside that nerfed marauders will be less used there. New CQ prototype |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1210
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:58:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Marauder ships are now better, you'll see them more in tournaments and small gang warfare. Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP... No, I appreciate that they'll now be more competent in small gang, and I like that. I don't like that ships which have been re-worked to suit their role as high end pve boats, are only fully effective in high sec missions, an income source that allready provides huge reward for negligable risk. Using bastion-mode in the null-sec equivelent anoms would be an incredibly stupid move, which means that regular battleships will still be better, not what I expect from the ethos of the marauders. I hoped the marauders would give null sec anom runners an alternative to carriers (and I know people claim certain Pirate/faction BSs are better for anoms than carriers, but they're wrong (and more expensive)). This is on a "whatever floats your boat." Maraders got a boost THEN they got the Baston mode, which is completely optional! They'll still do what they've been doing all along. And as I've lived out in null on several sides of the fence I can say that I barely see them used for PVE in null. I don't really see them being used any more or less then they currently are. Except for tournaments and small gang PVP.
I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
7
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:04:00 -
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If they could rival sentry carrier in dps and projection they might get used. They got the projection part down, but dps doesn't come close. Also with new mass they alight pretty much as fast as carriers so what is the point? With the bastion module the marauder has less GTFO then a carrier which is dumb. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1210
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:07:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Marauder ships are now better, you'll see them more in tournaments and small gang warfare. Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP... Bastion wil be banned in tourneys. Beside that nerfed marauders will be less used there. I don't think it will...
CCP put the Domi changes after the last tourney because everyone used those setups. CCP is using tournaments as a selling ground. So the more variety in ships shown AND the more cooler they look, (transforming ships) they'll use at every moment they can.
So I'll happily bet you that if someone rolls a Baston fitted Marauder during a tournament, every ******* camera will be trained on it. Then the sales pitch will soon follow... I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1231
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:23:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Sorry you didn't get a ship suited for largescale nullsec PVP...
Pretty much this.
I love the lack of imagination that comes from considering a 'small gang' to be no less than 50 HACs or BCs and their attendant logi, linking, and EWAR support. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
341
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:23:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:So I'll happily bet you that if someone rolls a Baston fitted Marauder during a tournament, every ******* camera will be trained on it. Then the sales pitch will soon follow...
I will gladly accept your bets! Good chances! Win possible! Such profits!
pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Dave Stark
3388
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:26:00 -
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so, i'm sitting here, and almost every situation i think "bastion would be good for that" always ends up with "if only it didn't have drawback x".
i'll say it; i don't get what this module is actually useful for other than an animation to say "free killmail here". some one enlighten me? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
816
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:29:00 -
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ITT we cry because every ship cant do everything. Eve is Real |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:ITT we cry because every ship cant do everything.
That seems to be pretty much every thread in which a ship is altered, tbh. If it wasn't reclassified as 'God Ship,' then it's apparently not wanted here. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2592
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:43:00 -
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I think there is some extraordinary opportunity for Marauders in low sec now. I've been messing around with some fits... I think they might actually be viable in piracy. It's going to be expensive to try but I'm game...
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:47:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I think there is some extraordinary opportunity for Marauders in low sec now. I've been messing around with some fits... I think they might actually be viable in piracy. It's going to be expensive to try but I'm game...
How dare you attempt to find a use for this ship?
Nullsec has spoken. The Marauder is useless. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp Northern Associates.
198
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:52:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:Marauders - now great for high sec, terrible for null.. Really? For L-4s I am just not seeing it.
I was considering this training path +20 days, but I just don't see the Golem being that much of an improvement over the RNI. Did I miss something? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
741
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:56:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:The marauder was a broken PVE ship, now its only a high sec PVE ship?
Using the Bastion module in null-sec, in a ship as expensive as a marauder is not going to be a good idea. True, you could leave the bastion module off, but I'd just be thinking "I'm using this ship wrong" - and that's the terrible thing, this ship actively discourages use in null.
I'm dissapointed.
Sieging in highsec in a shiny ship should be amusing, to say the least. Almost like inviting a gank.
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
229
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:56:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I think there is some extraordinary opportunity for Marauders in low sec now. I've been messing around with some fits... I think they might actually be viable in piracy. It's going to be expensive to try but I'm game... Expensive to try, expensive to lose, expensive to use, but if you have more ISK than free time... New CQ prototype |
destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
165
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:01:00 -
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what the heck is a bastion module. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1234
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:04:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:The marauder was a broken PVE ship, now its only a high sec PVE ship?
Using the Bastion module in null-sec, in a ship as expensive as a marauder is not going to be a good idea. True, you could leave the bastion module off, but I'd just be thinking "I'm using this ship wrong" - and that's the terrible thing, this ship actively discourages use in null.
I'm dissapointed. Sieging in highsec in a shiny ship should be amusing, to say the least. Almost like inviting a gank.
Because people don't already gank shiny ships in highsec. Got it. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16244
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:05:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:what the heck is a bastion module. It's a module that provides a smooth yet gravelly voice-over that narrates your murder spree. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1234
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:destiny2 wrote:what the heck is a bastion module. It's a module that provides a smooth yet gravelly voice-over that narrates your murder spree.
lol Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Knights of the Dark Rose Black Crescent Inc.
172
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:destiny2 wrote:what the heck is a bastion module. It's a module that provides a smooth yet gravelly voice-over that narrates your murder spree.
Wonderful reference, +1 to you, Tippia, lmao. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2592
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:50:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Gogela wrote:I think there is some extraordinary opportunity for Marauders in low sec now. I've been messing around with some fits... I think they might actually be viable in piracy. It's going to be expensive to try but I'm game... Expensive to try, expensive to lose, expensive to use, but if you have more ISK than free time... I really do. One of the problems with piracy is you REALLY need to minimize your time over target. For piracy to pay you need to have a smaller group so you can split the loot fewer ways. You also really don't want to tangle with a gaggle of PvPers. You want to kill the target, grab the loot, and run the hell away. The problem pops up when you are looking at big targets, like a JF or freighter. You need a lot of DPS. The best guys I've seen were using a rifter to tackle, a command ship to hold them and start applying damage, and a vindi to come in and help finish off the target while the rifter went to get a freighter of his own to scoop the loot. I saw them kill 3 freighters in one day one time. I think you could drop the vindi for a marauder now, and reduce the time it takes to kill the target a bit. Will have to see what that BS siege mode does to damage over time w/ the bigger shield radius... but it looks like the marauder might be more survivable than the vindi in that context too... easier to get away when the freighter's corp comes looking for you. Maybe even cheaper than a vindi...
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