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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11852
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:27:00 -
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Hello Space Friends!
My name is Lyris Nairn and I have been playing EVE Online since 2008. I think that I have something to say that is relevant to many of you.
As you all know, there exist charges called "Warp Disrupt Probe" which mimic the effect of a Warp Disruptor within an area of effect around themselves. These are the ammunition used by Interdictors, commonly called "bubbles." These charges allow the Interdictor to "tackle" things in a large area by disrupting their warp drives. But there is no tool by which an Interdictor, or any other ship, can prevent those "tackled" guys from getting away by using their MicroWarpdrives (MWD)! After all, every PVP pilot knows that someone is not truly "tackled" unless they are also scrammed.
I think that CCP should introduce a Warp Scramble Probe which exactly mimics the Warp Disrupt Probe in its deployment (i.e., it deploys its effect in a sphere centered on the deployed charge), but which applies the Warp Scramble effect to targets caught in its area of effect: i.e., targets caught in the effect would not only be unable to activate their warp drives, but also unable to activate their MWD. This new ammunition would be used in exactly the same way as the Warp Disrupt Probe, being fired from an Interdiction Sphere Launcher module fitted to an Interdictor-class ship. As the Warp Scrambler effect is stronger than the Warp Disruptor effect, I think these charges should create a smaller radius effect than the Warp Disrupt Probe.
I think this is a great idea that would change the game in a positive way. Let me know what you think in the comments! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1866
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:28:00 -
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O Christo redemptor... Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3821
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:30:00 -
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Lol you're drunk again xD |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:49:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11852
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:56:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Lol you're drunk again xD "Again?" Ha! Games are better with drinks and friends. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3145
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Posted - 2013.08.31 22:16:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Lol you're drunk again xD New idea...
Forum Breathalyzer
CCP will ship a simple USB powered breathalyzer to everyone with a current subscription.
Before posting in "sensitive areas" of the forums (to be designated by CCP) the user must use the breathalyzer to check if he/she is sober. Failing the sobriety check will result in a 1 day temp ban from the forum. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11874
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:54:00 -
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Not sure why you think I'm drunk to suggest things that already have related things in the game? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
28
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Posted - 2013.09.03 08:45:00 -
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There is such a thing as "balance" that requires you to make certain tradeoffs. Like having to fit a scrambler in order to prevent a MWD-fitted ship to escape your bubble. If you have a bubble that does both, why would you need to have a scram? Adding that would be dumbing down EVE to allow easier kills.
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
41
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:14:00 -
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Overpowered.
You're basically asking for the one counter to bubbles to be removed from bubbles, making bubbles uncounterable. |
suid0
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:19:00 -
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Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted |
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
586
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:42:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Not sure why you think I'm drunk to suggest things that already have related things in the game?
People think you're drunk because your idea is unbalanced. The fact that you're claiming not to be drunk points disturbingly at you not being able to comprehend why your idea is bad whilst sober and in your right mind which should be at least mildly concerning for you. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11934
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:03:00 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Overpowered.
You're basically asking for the one counter to bubbles to be removed from bubbles, making bubbles uncounterable. This was not an issue for the years prior to T3 ships being introduced. What's the problem? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11934
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:03:00 -
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suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:10:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked.
How about you learn to decloak stuff rather than changing the game ? If you can't catch it, you were not supposed to catch it.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11934
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:12:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked. How about you learn to decloak stuff rather than changing the game ? If you can't catch it, you were not supposed to catch it. I don't know what you're trying to prove here with these assaults on my perceived skill, 'cos I don't even do bubble camps. I'm a structure shooting FC. It just seems like it would be consistent with already existing things. Attacking my perceived skill at decloaking T3 ships will avail you nothing, as I make no claim to be any good at it. How about we address the topic rather than the person suggesting it, yes? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:33:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked. How about you learn to decloak stuff rather than changing the game ? If you can't catch it, you were not supposed to catch it. I don't know what you're trying to prove here with these assaults on my perceived skill, 'cos I don't even do bubble camps. I'm a structure shooting FC. It just seems like it would be consistent with already existing things. Attacking my perceived skill at decloaking T3 ships will avail you nothing, as I make no claim to be any good at it. How about we address the topic rather than the person suggesting it, yes?
Is a structure shooting FC a nooblar in training to become a proper FC, or is it like a specialization you can not aspire to escape from? |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:38:00 -
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Dear reader, if you have read through this thread to this point, I wanted to take a moment to make this Public Service Announcement to let you know that you too can become a Structure Shooting FC. For only 19.95 ISK, we will send you the complete 12-step program guide, "How to be a Structure Shooting FC". Supplies are limited, so you must call now!
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11936
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:32:00 -
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Darling Hassasin wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked. How about you learn to decloak stuff rather than changing the game ? If you can't catch it, you were not supposed to catch it. I don't know what you're trying to prove here with these assaults on my perceived skill, 'cos I don't even do bubble camps. I'm a structure shooting FC. It just seems like it would be consistent with already existing things. Attacking my perceived skill at decloaking T3 ships will avail you nothing, as I make no claim to be any good at it. How about we address the topic rather than the person suggesting it, yes? Is a structure shooting FC a nooblar in training to become a proper FC, or is it like a specialization you can not aspire to escape from? It's what I prefer. I've done many things, from frigates to Alpha Fleet. Shooting structures is fun for me. YMMV. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1264
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:01:00 -
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As much as I'd like your idea Lyris, cause I love my dictors, I think this could be a far too strong tool ending with less pvp than the other way around.
Don't get me wrong I really love this idea but I can't also think about it without considering from the other side of the road. That one becomes really nasty for any type of traveler, a death trap with no escape possibility but to fight back or expect to find dumb people throwing scramble probes.
Why not some sort of middle ground? -if probes duration is 90sec make them scramble 15sec then disrupt like usually -hard coders hillinesses incoming I don't really see a true positive effect on the long term. But it's probably just me. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
HardRockLife
War Decs Inc
4
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:16:00 -
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Meytal wrote:Dear reader, if you have read through this thread to this point, I wanted to take a moment to make this Public Service Announcement to let you know that you too can become a Structure Shooting FC. For only 19.95 ISK, we will send you the complete 12-step program guide, "How to be a Structure Shooting FC". Supplies are limited, so you must call now!
If I call in the next 5 minutes do i get a free Phoenix? |
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Alundil
The Unnamed. The NME Alliance
327
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:18:00 -
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Lyris, I enjoyed flying in your fleets.
However this idea, as has been pointed out, is unbalanced. The only counter to a bubble is the ability to quickly escape said bubble. This is done either via MWD or the newly introduced MJD. The only counter to those propulsion devices is a warp scrambler. You are proposing to introduce a large area of effect scrambler which deactivates all warp scramblers in its area of effect. This leaves no room for any kind of counter to the counter's counter = bad (shirley you can see the algebraic equation there).
Warp Disruptor Probes and anchored bubbles, as well, are fine as is and more than enough. If a target ship is able to burn out of the bubble before scrambled by a ship then that's "the one that got away" and better luck next time (not necessarily YOU but whoever missed the tackle on the gate). Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:08:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:suid0 wrote:Way too overpowered
Why don't you just fit a scram and use your mwd to go tackle them before they leave your bubble? 'Cos they're cloaked and can just skip away while cloaked. How about you learn to decloak stuff rather than changing the game ? If you can't catch it, you were not supposed to catch it. I don't know what you're trying to prove here with these assaults on my perceived skill, 'cos I don't even do bubble camps. I'm a structure shooting FC. It just seems like it would be consistent with already existing things. Attacking my perceived skill at decloaking T3 ships will avail you nothing, as I make no claim to be any good at it. How about we address the topic rather than the person suggesting it, yes?
You said they're cloaked and just skip away cloaked, i responded to your problem. It is not cloaked if you decloak it, it does not escape if you scramb/disrupt it. Playing the politic card and beating around the bush to make it look like you're saying something that matters won't change the fact that you are not using tools already given to you in a way they are supposed to be used.
I'd also remind you that an interdiction nullifier t3 is not affected by bubbles, your scramble suggestion would have no effect on t3's using microwarpdrives as the suggestion is a bubble and as such has no effect on t3's which have nullifiers. |
THE R3APER
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
4
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:21:00 -
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Enter the double (or triple) bubble light dictors! So I'll big bubble you and then wait on the edge with a little bubble. Now I've got a guaranteed kill, no chance at all for my prey!
It's just too OP, which has already been said. You are just as unwilling to listen to the replies as the community is unwilling to entertain your idea.
I've got many solo kills in a cloaky flycatcher getting people in drag bubbles, and if this was in the game I sure would have gotten a lot more!
There's really nothing you could say to make it seem balanced. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:59:00 -
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HardRockLife wrote:Meytal wrote:Dear reader, if you have read through this thread to this point, I wanted to take a moment to make this Public Service Announcement to let you know that you too can become a Structure Shooting FC. For only 19.95 ISK, we will send you the complete 12-step program guide, "How to be a Structure Shooting FC". Supplies are limited, so you must call now!
If I call in the next 5 minutes do i get a free Phoenix? While supplies last!
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Game 0f Tears
112
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:04:00 -
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OP if you are going to make it trivially easy to warp scramble people then perhaps we need to have a module that over-rides scrams. Some kind of super warp core stab that is basicly double WCS with all the same penalties and perhaps an extra mass penalty but negates scrams.
Just throwing it out there. Would it improve the game? Nope, but at least it would work. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread --- Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3503687&#post3503687 ----á for FW rebalance in 2013 |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:14:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:OP if you are going to make it trivially easy to warp scramble people then perhaps we need to have a module that over-rides scrams. Some kind of super warp core stab that is basicly double WCS with all the same penalties and perhaps an extra mass penalty but negates scrams.
Just throwing it out there. Would it improve the game? Nope, but at least it would work. Warp Stability Field. Negates the use of all warp jamming equipment within its area. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11952
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:53:00 -
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Meytal wrote:Dear reader, if you have read through this thread to this point, I wanted to take a moment to make this Public Service Announcement to let you know that you too can become a Structure Shooting FC. For only 19.95 ISK, we will send you the complete 12-step program guide, "How to be a Structure Shooting FC". Supplies are limited, so you must call now!
top lel Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
801
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:49:00 -
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AoE Scrambler, yeah that would do wonders for Eve
One aspect I could see be of some use without breaking much is the MWD killing, add it as an alternative charge to be launched by the Interdictors with the caveat of two fields not being able to occupy the same space (ie. drop either within the AoE of the other and the former is destroyed immediately).
Lets Interdictors mess with the MJD meta and allows for some tactical shenanigans by having ones own Interdictors remove hostile bubbles to facilitate escape of valuable assets. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
187
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:33:00 -
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Ancient art of structure-fu. From a wimp to a killboard-topping babby titan-coathangering region burner in just a month!
Get one and get a Siege Bomber free.
Additional comedic relief provided by black ops pilots screaming in fury that knows no bounds as you "accidentally" decloak them and make them die! (Bonus points if they're drunk to boot.)
Uh, while we're at it can we get warp disruption bombs? :D Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
9
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:43:00 -
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Hm... WTS stasis webbifiers? |
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