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Sub-Zero Saul
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:17:00 -
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I think we should get 1 yearly Skill Point Remap to help us refocus our studies and keep us on the right path. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4020
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:39:00 -
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Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off on this thread we go. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
69
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:53:00 -
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No, this has been proposed numerous times and there are so many reasons it's a bad idea I can't even begin to list them all so I'll give you the top points.
- You could optimally focus your skill training on one group of skills, remap those skill points into a wide range of skills and completely get around attributes, attribute remaps, or paying for more than 2 implants.
- This would make "Flavor of the Month" fits and doctrines even easier to get into and make them more prolific. This is not good for game balance.
- Your skill training is supposed to require planning and thought, you should not be able to go "I put zero thought into this and would like my points back to put into useful things now"
- You could use this to train up a pilot doing research or industry and then turn them into a combat pilot as soon as they hit the desired SP total even though you had been making money off of those skills for months or years before hand.
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hellcane
Never Back Down
86
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Posted - 2013.09.01 06:20:00 -
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Wow has something like this, maybe you should go back there. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
216
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:52:00 -
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There really really is a need for both a 'Dislike' button and the 'Place Bounty' button on the forums. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
492
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Posted - 2013.09.01 10:01:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:No, this has been proposed numerous times and there are so many reasons it's a bad idea I can't even begin to list them all so I'll give you the top points.
- You could optimally focus your skill training on one group of skills, remap those skill points into a wide range of skills and completely get around attributes, attribute remaps, or paying for more than 2 implants.
- This would make "Flavor of the Month" fits and doctrines even easier to get into and make them more prolific. This is not good for game balance.
- Your skill training is supposed to require planning and thought, you should not be able to go "I put zero thought into this and would like my points back to put into useful things now"
- You could use this to train up a pilot doing research or industry and then turn them into a combat pilot as soon as they hit the desired SP total even though you had been making money off of those skills for months or years before hand.
This post perfectly lays out why this is a bad idea. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2013.09.01 12:50:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:There really really is a need for both a 'Dislike' button and the 'Place Bounty' button on the forums. First time I hear of place bounty button, goes without saying this is the best idea I've seen in the last 14 days.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3583
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:02:00 -
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No. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Sub-Zero Saul
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:40:00 -
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1 skill point remap in exchange for 1 x PLEX ? |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:43:00 -
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Even worse. |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15514
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:19:00 -
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No because of the following points.
Tippia wrote:It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4056
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Posted - 2013.09.06 02:38:00 -
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Sub-Zero Saul wrote:1 skill point remap in exchange for 1 x PLEX ?
How about this: 1 Skill point remap + 1 name change for 2 PLEX? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
224
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Posted - 2013.09.06 05:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off on this thread we go.
I was hoping mini dread marauders and 1.1 rants/raves/whines would get us some new material. Nope...sp and ecm, SSDD
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
440
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Posted - 2013.09.06 06:14:00 -
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not this again... no. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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suid0
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.09.06 07:52:00 -
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biomass, then create new character... think of it as a remap that just takes time the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11491
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:01:00 -
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No
(I have put as much effort into that reply as it deserves, which is to say as much as you put into looking at the hudnred other threads on the same topic, reading the objections to the exact same idea and countering them.)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11491
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:02:00 -
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Sub-Zero Saul wrote:1 skill point remap in exchange for 1 x PLEX ?
1 PLEX per SP remapped? Yeah OK then, sure.
1 Kings 12:11
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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:12:00 -
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He probably meant that you pay 1 PLEX to move 1 (one) skill point from skill A to skill B. At least I hope he meant that. For example to move all skill points from fully trained BS skill to other skills you'd have to pay 2.048.000 PLEX. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
787
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:34:00 -
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Woohoo, 4 month old character who has never left the noob corp suggesting massive game-changing ideas that totally ruin one of the most balanced parts of Eve.
The need to Biomass is strong with this one!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.09.06 11:38:00 -
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Just no! |
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brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.09.06 12:03:00 -
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no |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
290
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Posted - 2013.09.06 12:08:00 -
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Here's my idea.
PLEX for the Removal of "Unwanted/Unused/Nerfed by CCP/Tried It, but didn't like It/No longer Interested In" Skills
You do not get reimbursed in skill points or skill books.
Example:
Unwanted: Mining - level 2: CCP gave this skill to me when I created character. I did not want it. It was forced on me.
Unused: Mining - Level 2, all Industry skills I injected as a noob because I did not know any better.
Nerfed by CCP: All my skills dealing with datacore collection. Not worth the trouble anymore.
Tried It, but didn't like It: All the PI skills. Only way we can try something in Eve is to inject the skills. Then you find out it blows & you are stuck with the skills.
No Longer interested In: All Social Skills - Will never run a mission in Highsec again and if I do i will quit Eve the same day.
So once again,
PLEX for Removal of Unwanted Skills. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Delicious Charen-Teng
Do Not Ride The Bomb
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Posted - 2013.09.06 13:12:00 -
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There is one argument that hasn't been noted that supports this change.
CCP is constantly changing ships, meta and pretty much everything else. To the point where I haven't bought a single new hull apart from a few new bombers in over 6 months. It's dam irritating because I'm sure several people have no idea what to train at the moment.
My main has a massive amount of SP in Autocannons, Minmatar Cruiser 5 and other stuff that in lieu of tiericide was a complete and utter waste of time. This is shortly about to happen again with T3's which I have also a couple of million SP trained in skills.
I don't support a 'yearly' change, but CCP devs destroying even my best laid plans in terms of character progression has made me feel like i deserve one. |
Alundil
The Unnamed.
300
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Posted - 2013.09.06 13:54:00 -
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@ OP Idea This is, imo, a bad idea as has been stated multiple times in this thread (and several other times over the years).
Kyt Thrace wrote:Here's my idea. PLEX for the Removal of "Unwanted/Unused/Nerfed by CCP/Tried It, but didn't like It/No longer Interested In" Skills
You do not get reimbursed in skill points or skill books.
Since those skills, as you say, are unused and you're not looking for any return of skillbooks (ISK) or SP, what's the point? A waste of a PLEX for 'cosmetic' reasons (i.e. skill sheet is as lean as possible)? I don't get it.
Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:There is one argument that hasn't been noted that supports this change.
CCP is constantly changing ships, meta and pretty much everything else.
I don't support a 'yearly' change, but CCP devs destroying even my best laid plans in terms of character progression has made me feel like i deserve a skill remap after tiericide is complete. As is their, CCP's, right to do so. It has also, if i recall correctly, been explicitly stated that in game item attributes will change.
Those changes will, more often than not, have an effect on someone's training and plans somewhere. I think CCP's "HTFU" is quite appropriate in this instance. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.09.06 14:50:00 -
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Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:There is one argument that hasn't been noted that supports this change.
CCP is constantly changing ships, meta and pretty much everything else. To the point where I haven't bought a single new hull apart from a few new bombers in over 6 months. It's dam irritating because I'm sure several people have no idea what to train at the moment.
Stop chasing FOTM. Problem solved. |
TheBlueMonkey
Veldspar Industries Brave Collective
519
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Posted - 2013.09.06 15:14:00 -
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I get myself 12 accounts, I only pay one sub on a monthly basis at a time, I buy 12 high sp characters, I remap one to whatever FOTM is, when FOTM changes I switch chars and remap.
Result, I get to always fly fotm no matter what. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2599
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Posted - 2013.09.06 16:17:00 -
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Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:There is one argument that hasn't been noted that supports this change.
CCP is constantly changing ships, meta and pretty much everything else. To the point where I haven't bought a single new hull apart from a few new bombers in over 6 months. It's dam irritating because I'm sure several people have no idea what to train at the moment.
My main has a massive amount of SP in Autocannons, Minmatar Cruiser 5 and other stuff that in lieu of tiericide was a complete and utter waste of time. This is shortly about to happen again with T3's which I have also a couple of million SP trained in skills.
Now you could argue that AC's and Minnie meta are still totally valid, but not in my opinion, and this is MY character. Your opinions on balance have no influence on how I choose to train my characters.
I don't support a 'yearly' change, but CCP devs destroying even my best laid plans in terms of character progression has made me feel like i deserve a skill remap after tiericide is complete.
Gee, I feel so sorry for you. I mean, there are so few excellent and ubiquitously used Auto-cannon based Minnie Hulls these days, that I don't know how you could possibly play this game as a minnie based pilot. If only we saw Slashers, Firetails, Jags, Wolves, Drams, Thrashers, Stabbers, Ruptures, Stabber FI, Scythe FI, Cynabal, Scythe, Scimi, Tornadoes regularly. It is simply terrible that the Maelstrom, Machariel, and Vargur aren't above and beyond all other BS's. If only the Cyclone had remained in the spotline as a autocannon based solo-pwnmobile you might have had something to fly. It is all so sad; If only CCP would release some new revamped and OMFG amazing new ships like the Vagabond, otherwise you might have to train some missile skills and enjoy the missile based minnie hullls.
In all seriousness, really?!? As long as this game has been out, CCP has been introducing new ships, tweaking old ships, and rebalancing mechanics to the point new FOTM's happen regularly. The idea that you haven't bought a new hull in 6 months isn't because of the rebalancing they did, its because of your play style.
Why are you postponing buying ships? Do you really thing that in another 6 months that CCP will be "all done" with ship balancing, resulting an a "best ship"? I have news for you, there were FOTM's last month that will be replaced by new FOTM's this upcoming month and there will be new FOTM's come winter. CCP will change things to keep the game evolving and changing, and all a SP redistribution does is enable you to instantly change, which would completely defeat the purpose of CCP mixing things up a bit.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4059
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Posted - 2013.09.06 18:16:00 -
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Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:There is one argument that hasn't been noted
Yes it has.
Quote:that supports this change.
That doesn't mean it's a good one.
Quote:CCP is constantly changing ships, meta and pretty much everything else.
Yep, not a good one. If you train for the OP stuff, you must accept that it will be nerfed at some point in the future and consider whether the detour from training what you'd otherwise want to train (if everything was already well balanced) is worth it for the time you expect to have greater than normal returns (i.e. the time you expect it to take for CCP to get around to nerfing the OP stuff you're training for). "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Delicious Charen-Teng
Do Not Ride The Bomb
0
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:18:00 -
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Wow.
How I feel about Minnie, whether right or wrong, has nothing to do with your opinion on the current state of meta. Telling me to train everything is not a viable solution.
How dare I focus my training on the best tactics? Did you guys actually just say that out loud? LOL
Spending hundreds of Euro RL on training skills that CCP constantly balance? If it wasn't explicitly stated in the EULA it would be a significant breach of contract.
None of this would matter if Tiericide resulted in actual balance. All it's done is resulted in Navy Omens pwning all AC meta across new eden. |
Vayn Baxtor
Ultra High Ping Crew
76
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Posted - 2013.09.09 08:28:00 -
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CCP could just put a $100 price tag on it... :P Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
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