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Dr Blindless
D.B. Investment Solutions Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.03 12:47:00 -
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Consider the current skillgroup names: Armor Shields
Why? Maybe this: Armor Shield or Armors Shields
P.S. Possibly, my English is simply bad. Bonus - post from 2009.04.20 - Rename skill group :)
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Jon Matick
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.09.03 13:48:00 -
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Because arbitrary name changes are arbitrary. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.03 13:57:00 -
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*shrug*
"Shield" is often pluralized in general use ("My shields are getting low!"), whereas "armor" never is. Could go either way, honestly. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:18:00 -
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Yes it should be Shield, but CCP have a history with their use of the English language.
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Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:50:00 -
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The OCD is strong in this thread. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:52:00 -
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More importantly, given the change to the Missile Launcher Operation group, why has gunnery not been renamed to 'Charges'? |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:00:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:*shrug*
"Shield" is often pluralized in general use ("My shields are getting low!"), whereas "armor" never is. Could go either way, honestly.
Possibly because traditionally a shield usually protects from attacks from one direction at a time only. If there is protection from multiple angles, presumably multiple shields are involved thus plural.
Take that with a grain of salt though, I'm not a native English speaker. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:13:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:Possibly because traditionally a shield usually protects from attacks from one direction at a time only. If there is protection from multiple angles, presumably multiple shields are involved thus plural.
Take that with a grain of salt though, I'm not a native English speaker. Not a bad theory. I was thinking it's more directly an influence of some of the old SciFi (e.g. Star Trek). But maybe in turn that was their influence. |
Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.09.04 19:18:00 -
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There is no plural form of the word armor. If you see "armors" it's just simply wrong.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:09:00 -
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In the traditional sense, armor covered the body and a singular shield was held. In order to be completely shielded required multiple shields.
Sci-fi has also used "shield emitters" projecting multiple intersecting or overlapping force fields. |
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Dr Blindless
D.B. Investment Solutions Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:16:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:More importantly, given the change to the Missile Launcher Operation group, why has gunnery not been renamed to 'Charges'?
Sable Moran wrote:Possibly because traditionally a shield usually protects from attacks from one direction at a time only. If there is protection from multiple angles, presumably multiple shields are involved thus plural.
Tau Cabalander wrote:In order to be completely shielded required multiple shields.
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Tengu Grib
Liberation Army
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Posted - 2013.09.06 22:41:00 -
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anyone noticed the cpu skills in engineering aswell? i would have thought skills which give bonuses to cpu would be in electronic systems, as they are part of the electronics, not engineering |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:17:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:anyone noticed the cpu skills in engineering aswell? i would have thought skills which give bonuses to cpu would be in electronic systems, as they are part of the electronics, not engineering That's the "old" way of thinking, apparently.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Electronic System: is the old GÇ£electronicsGÇ¥ group. Now only contains offense EW related skills.
Engineering: now has all skills related with energy management and fittings in general. (Emphasis added) |
Ryelek d'Entari
The 4th Legion DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:30:00 -
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Armor is an uncountable noun, and has no proper singular/plural distinction ('armors' is not a word, at least not in the plural noun context). You wouldn't say "How many armors is he wearing?", instead you would say "How much armor is he wearing?"
Shield however is a garden variety countable noun: therefore if you wish to refer to anything other than a single shield object, you would use 'Shields'.
Thus ends the obscure English lesson of the day. |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:41:00 -
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Ryelek d'Entari wrote:Armor is an uncountable noun, and has no proper singular/plural distinction ('armors' is not a word, at least not in the plural noun context). You wouldn't say "How many armors is he wearing?", instead you would say "How much armor is he wearing?" Shield however is a garden variety countable noun: therefore if you wish to refer to anything other than a single shield object, you would use 'Shields'. Thus ends the obscure English lesson of the day. So Armor + Shield. You didnt solve the problem of the OP, it's still no-sense ingame. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:22:00 -
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The word "shields" was used in Star Trek. As a result, the plural form has become the standard within SF.
A quick check of some earlier scripts (such as Forbidden Planet and the 1953 version of War of the Worlds) show that the singular was used in American SF movies from the 1950s.
Both the singular and plural forms were used in Star Wars movies (for example, Han says both: "Angle the deflector shield while I make the calculations for the jump to light speed" and "Angle the deflector shields while I charge up the main guns!").
The plural form was used in the 2005 remake of War of the Worlds.
Quote:If you're wondering how he eats and breathes And other science facts, Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax Source Lyrics
TL;DR - the people who created Eve watched Star Trek. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:29:00 -
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Valorius Rageway wrote:So Armor + Shield. You didnt solve the problem of the OP, it's still no-sense ingame. That's because there isn't really a problem. Because 'shield' can be (and often is in common practice) pluralized but 'armor' can't, there's nothing actually incorrect about it, even though it may tweak your OCD. |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.13 04:40:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Valorius Rageway wrote:So Armor + Shield. You didnt solve the problem of the OP, it's still no-sense ingame. That's because there isn't really a problem. Because 'shield' can be (and often is in common practice) pluralized but 'armor' can't, there's nothing actually incorrect about it, even though it may tweak your OCD.
The problem is that everywhere else inside the game, the word is spelled "Shield". So the skillgroup should be Shield. Too hard to understand ? |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:23:00 -
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Valorius Rageway wrote:The problem is that everywhere else inside the game, the word is spelled "Shield". So the skillgroup should be Shield. Too hard to understand ? But people commonly refer to them as 'shields', so in this case CCP decided to call them 'shields'. Too hard to understand? |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.13 12:04:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Valorius Rageway wrote:The problem is that everywhere else inside the game, the word is spelled "Shield". So the skillgroup should be Shield. Too hard to understand ? But people commonly refer to them as 'shields', so in this case CCP decided to call them 'shields'. Too hard to understand? I don't know at what game you're playing but obviously it's not eve. Players always refered to it as "shield", as well as the multiple ingame contents.
We're not playing star trek online. |
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 12:41:00 -
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Valorius Rageway wrote:I don't know at what game you're playing but obviously it's not eve. Players always refered to it as "shield", as well as the multiple ingame contents. Incorrect. Players refer to it interchangeably as 'shield' and 'shields'.
As for the in-game content, this is not at all the first time it's been pluralized. See, for example:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Large_Anti-EM_Screen_Reinforcer_I https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Zainou_%27Gnome%27_Shield_Operation_SP-904 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Proton_L https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shield_Power_Relay_II https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.13 13:27:00 -
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I always heard and used the term Shield, seems natural for me and many of my english-native mates.. That's true for the exemples, but I won't list the whole rest of links that refer to shield in singular cuz it's simply every other single skill and module that refers to :/ |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 14:55:00 -
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Valorius Rageway wrote:That's true for the exemples, but I won't list the whole rest of links that refer to shield in singular cuz it's simply every other single skill and module that refers to :/
...except for pretty much all the shield and ewar rigs, the shield certificates, all of the Kaalakiota- and Viziam-designed T2 ships, a substantial portion of the projectile ammo, a Tengu subsystem...
Seriously, it's out there a lot more than you seem to realize. I'm not saying that 'shield' is incorrect, I'm just pointing out that 'shields' is also correct and widely used. So unless you can convince me that someone wouldn't look for shield skills in the "Shields" category because he only has one shield, then I don't think this needs to be "fixed". |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.14 11:01:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:
...except for pretty much all the shield and ewar rigs, the shield certificates, all some of the Kaalakiota- and Viziam-designed T2 ships, a substantial portion of the projectile ammo, a Tengu subsystem...
Which is still nothing compared to the rest.
Zor'katar wrote: Seriously, it's out there a lot more than you seem to realize. I'm not saying that 'shield' is incorrect, I'm just pointing out that 'shields' is also correct and widely used. So unless you can convince me that someone wouldn't look for shield skills in the "Shields" category because he only has one shield, then I don't think this needs to be "fixed".
The question is not if people understand or not, obvisouly they do, even if you would say "The thing that protects your ship upon your armor", the fact is that many people don't understand that change since it's commonly said Shield, in everything, in shield fleets and so on. The question you have to ask is, if it's Shield like it has been used to, then you won't understand what it is ? If you don't care about it, it will simply make no difference for you, so you don't care about the "fix" too ..
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.14 15:35:00 -
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Valorius Rageway wrote:Which is still nothing compared to the rest. It took very little effort to find a lot of examples of the use of 'shields', so I'm not convinced that's true.
Valorius Rageway wrote:If you don't care about it, it will simply make no difference for you, so you don't care about the "fix" too ..
You're right, I don't care one way or the other, which is why I favor the default of CCP not wasting even a minute more of time on this. |
Valorius Rageway
EyEs.FR Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.09.15 01:10:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote: You're right, I don't care one way or the other, which is why I favor the default of CCP not wasting even a minute more of time on this.
Yeah ;)
Eve is pretty much perfect and it HAS to be perfect. Nothing less :) |
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