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Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
78
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:28:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Warp stabs are not the answer to your care bear problem. I just checked out these new haulers, and found they have plenty of low slots that use to be full of cargo expanders. Now that cargo expanders won't really do much for these new PI, mineral, and ore holds people will start filling every low they have with warp core stabs. I would like to either see an agility penalty added to warp core stabs or less low slots on these new haulers so i can at least catch them without having both a faction and T2 scram taking up 2 of my mids. It's bad enough I have to fit a warp scram worth the price of my ship to catch most W-space dwellers but to have 2 mid slots taken up by warp scrams is a bit much.
Best wishes Lexar Mundi
(Yes I know bubbles are great, but when most W-space dwellers log off at the first sign of combat now days and you don't see them again for weeks.... Also the fact indy ships are... err sorry use to be fun to hunt solo in a scan ship with poor dps yeah those days have ended. There will be a lot less solo WH roamers after the last few patches we have seen.) |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2016
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:34:00 -
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Eh... Meh. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
439
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:35:00 -
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except adding agility penalties to stabs wouldn't make sense also if you can't properly hold down a guy who knows how to fly haulers, that's your problem, not CCP's I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
551
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:35:00 -
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How about you use a bubble like a normal person and stop bitching about your ez kills. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:37:00 -
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Are you saying it's all too difficult for you now and you can't cope? |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
78
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:39:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:How about you use a bubble like a normal person and stop bitching about your ez kills. put a bubble up in W-space and see what happens. The people who live there won't log on for a week and then a week later will use a bomber to kill it. (because they can cloak at the first sign of trouble to hide from big bad wormhole people who PvP.) |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
78
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:41:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Are you saying it's all too difficult for you now and you can't cope? I can cope, but i would like to fly more than an Arazu when i go WH diving. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15496
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:45:00 -
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I though WH dwellers were made of sterner stuff. The OP sounds more like a FW snowflake.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
78
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:48:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I though WH dwellers were made of sterner stuff. The OP sounds more like a FW snowflake. nah most W-space dwellers don't log in but to update skills/PI anymore :P |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
562
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:10:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:How about you use a bubble like a normal person and stop bitching about your ez kills.
Because bubbles work in lowsec. "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |
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Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
78
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:13:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Aiwha wrote:How about you use a bubble like a normal person and stop bitching about your ez kills. Because bubbles work in lowsec. I think hes taking a shot at me because I'm in a W-space corp.
Because we all know W-space people never try to kill anyone in low sec. *sarcasm* |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1486
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:26:00 -
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Carebear problem? Those haulers are flying around in low/null/WH space. You're whining about how you can't catch completely risk free targets that can't fight back. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:39:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Are you saying it's all too difficult for you now and you can't cope? I can cope, but i would like to fly more than an Arazu when i go WH diving.
Maybe I'm just being dense here - it's possible, it's late and I'm tired - but I'm struggling to see what your point is. Unless you're saying that the change is bad because it means you now can't do what you want to do in the type of ship you want to do it in? But then you say you can cope if you fly a different ship, so I'm not sure what the big deal is..? I mean, choosing the right ship for the job is just part of the game, isn't it?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:58:00 -
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Someone doesn't understand how the new holds work....
People bitching about something they are completely wrong about, par for the course for the eve forums. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
79
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:10:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Are you saying it's all too difficult for you now and you can't cope? I can cope, but i would like to fly more than an Arazu when i go WH diving. Maybe I'm just being dense here - it's possible, it's late and I'm tired - but I'm struggling to see what your point is. Unless you're saying that the change is bad because it means you now can't do what you want to do in the type of ship you want to do it in? But then you say you can cope if you fly a different ship, so I'm not sure what the big deal is..? I mean, choosing the right ship for the job is just part of the game, isn't it? What I am saying is it's pretty hard to have every ship with you when you WH dive Normally I would fly a pilgrim, Prote, ect. Something with a probe launcher, a cloak so i don't run off half of W space by being decloaked, and either dps or neuts. a lot of these ships have very specific mid slots you need to be able to defend yourself and attack targets of opportunity. In W space you can search 15 wormholes and find 1 target. If you miss that target your entire night is shot. Its either going to be some guy running sites, or it's going to be a hauler doing PI. Now instead of catching the hauler OR the guy running sites I will have a 50/50 chance i brought the right ship with me to catch one or the other. If i bring the ship that can withstand rats+ a dps ship shooting at me I cant catch the hauler. If i bring the ship that can catch the hauler (Most likely an Arazu because of how many mids it's got.) I don't be able to touch the guy running sites. It's not about "Oh look at me I can attack a hauler with no way of fighting back." it's more like "Oh hey I've been looking for PvP for hours and i finally found something to shoot. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7817
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:13:00 -
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Just alpha the damn thing, its not like they are going to fit a tank. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
79
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Just alpha the damn thing, its not like they are going to fit a tank. I will make sure to tell my drones to do that when I am flying my pilgrim next time. Tengu ehhh maybe if my missiles get to the target fast enough. But yes you are right I could probably do that in my prote. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
79
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:19:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Someone doesn't understand how the new holds work....
People bitching about something they are completely wrong about, par for the course for the eve forums. How am I wrong sir? |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
548
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:23:00 -
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I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that?? Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
baltec1
Bat Country
7817
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:26:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that??
This requires the haulers to fit things other than cargo extenders. |
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Oggat
The Adam's Family
26
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Just alpha the damn thing, its not like they are going to fit a tank.
I've tried every tank fit I could come up with for a Bestower.
Stick with the stabs. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
79
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:41:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that?? how can you plan an attack against a hauler you find randomly in a WH in the middle of doing PI?
The only good argument I have seen so far is the alpha damage one. The rest of you I even wonder if you know what a WH even is lol.
For those of you who have no idea how things go down in a WH I will explain it for you.
Step 1. Scan for a WH Step 2. You find WH and check it's time/mass to see if it's stable. Step 3. Jump in WH BM the inside and check D scan and hope you find something Step 4. click Orbit and mwd so you burn away from the hole and cloak. (so you don't run off the locals) Step 5. Warp around and hope you find something Step 6. If you find something to shoot Hey great better find it fast because it's probably warping back to the POS, if you don't find anything to shoot find another WH and repeat.
Of corse I left out checking the J tag for the system info because if you have been in W-space long enough you can tell what type of effects it has by how the system looks.
How do you plan for something if you don't know what you will find? |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
79
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that?? This requires the haulers to fit things other than cargo extenders. With a 67,500m3 PI hold why would you need to extend the 550m3 cargo hold? |
Oggat
The Adam's Family
26
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:45:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that?? how can you plan an attack against a hauler you find randomly in a WH in the middle of doing PI? The only good argument I have seen so far is the alpha damage one. The rest of you I even wonder if you know what a WH even is lol. For those of you who have no idea how things go down in a WH I will explain it for you. Step 1. Scan for a WH Step 2. You find WH and check it's time/mass to see if it's stable. Step 3. Jump in WH BM the inside and check D scan and hope you find something Step 4. click Orbit and mwd so you burn away from the hole and cloak. (so you don't run off the locals) Step 5. Warp around and hope you find something Step 6. If you find something to shoot Hey great better find it fast because it's probably warping back to the POS, if you don't find anything to shoot find another WH and repeat. Of corse I left out checking the J tag for the system info because if you have been in W-space long enough you can tell what type of effects it has by how the system looks. How do you plan for something if you don't know what you will find?
My guess was, he was farming his own POCO's with an alt.
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Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
80
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:48:00 -
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Oggat wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I see so now catching haulers will ACTUALLY make you think and plan, unlike before, and you're sad about that?? how can you plan an attack against a hauler you find randomly in a WH in the middle of doing PI? The only good argument I have seen so far is the alpha damage one. The rest of you I even wonder if you know what a WH even is lol. For those of you who have no idea how things go down in a WH I will explain it for you. Step 1. Scan for a WH Step 2. You find WH and check it's time/mass to see if it's stable. Step 3. Jump in WH BM the inside and check D scan and hope you find something Step 4. click Orbit and mwd so you burn away from the hole and cloak. (so you don't run off the locals) Step 5. Warp around and hope you find something Step 6. If you find something to shoot Hey great better find it fast because it's probably warping back to the POS, if you don't find anything to shoot find another WH and repeat. Of corse I left out checking the J tag for the system info because if you have been in W-space long enough you can tell what type of effects it has by how the system looks. How do you plan for something if you don't know what you will find? My guess was, he was farming his own POCO's with an alt. Sadly there are people who are like that. |
Claude Olerie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:48:00 -
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-ultra cheap -many warp stabs -lots of agility (rig slots with low friction nozzle joints) -oversized bay
First ventures, now the Epithal (itty3) is getting the same treatment.
Both of these ships are totally out of balance with any other ships of their class. This sort of ship specialization is T2 domain, not ultra cheap T1's. They simply have too much bang for their buck. They should be easier to catch, have less cargospace or be an expensive T2 ship.
PI has become nearly risk free.
Im going to have to fit 2 faction scrams to my tackle ships, which is pretty rediculous. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2500
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:58:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Dear CCP,
Warp stabs are not the answer to your care bear problem. I just checked out these new haulers, and found they have plenty of low slots that use to be full of cargo expanders. Now that cargo expanders won't really do much for these new PI, mineral, and ore holds people will start filling every low they have with warp core stabs. I would like to either see an agility penalty added to warp core stabs or less low slots on these new haulers so i can at least catch them without having both a faction and T2 scram taking up 2 of my mids. It's bad enough I have to fit a warp scram worth the price of my ship to catch most W-space dwellers but to have 2 mid slots taken up by warp scrams is a bit much.
Best wishes Lexar Mundi
(Yes I know bubbles are great, but when most W-space dwellers log off at the first sign of combat now days and you don't see them again for weeks.... Also the fact indy ships are... err sorry use to be fun to hunt solo in a scan ship with poor dps yeah those days have ended. There will be a lot less solo WH roamers after the last few patches we have seen.)
Stop tackling with rifters
Get a HIC Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Oggat
The Adam's Family
28
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:59:00 -
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Claude Olerie wrote:-ultra cheap -many warp stabs -lots of agility (rig slots with low friction nozzle joints) -oversized bay
First ventures, now the Epithal (itty3) is getting the same treatment.
Both of these ships are totally out of balance with any other ships of their class. This sort of ship specialization is T2 domain, not ultra cheap T1's. They simply have too much bang for their buck. They should be easier to catch, have less cargospace or be an expensive T2 ship.
PI has become nearly risk free.
Im going to have to fit 2 faction scrams to my tackle ships, which is pretty rediculous.
Or you could focus script a broadsword...
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
442
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:11:00 -
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To the above posters suggesting HICs, I'm sure the OP already thought of that, but can't get close to them without a cov-ops cloak because they're all obsessive-compulsive d-scan clickers. |
Mr Pragmatic
629
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:11:00 -
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Claude Olerie wrote:-ultra cheap -many warp stabs -lots of agility (rig slots with low friction nozzle joints) -oversized bay
First ventures, now the Epithal (itty3) is getting the same treatment.
Both of these ships are totally out of balance with any other ships of their class. This sort of ship specialization is T2 domain, not ultra cheap T1's. They simply have too much bang for their buck. They should be easier to catch, have less cargospace or be an expensive T2 ship.
PI has become nearly risk free.
Im going to have to fit 2 faction scrams to my tackle ships, which is pretty rediculous.
Deal with it? Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
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