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DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:03:00 -
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What gives CCP??? Item prices are not pulling from the API no longer?? Is this another "We forgot to add this in the patch notes" Discuss |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3417
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:10:00 -
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sad_trombone.wav
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
390
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:16:00 -
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DRGaius Baltar wrote:What gives CCP??? Item prices are not pulling from the API no longer?? Is this another "We forgot to add this in the patch notes" Discuss Here
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16305
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:21:00 -
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GǪor maybe EVEMon is a crashy mess right now, and they haven't updated their own data scraping software to match the new format? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
400
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Some tools are working fine.
IPH for example. |
Ethereal Night
Stay Frosty.
12
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:27:00 -
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DRGaius Baltar wrote:Discuss
No.
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool, or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant: "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven." Such is the Rule of Honor.
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Sable Blitzmann
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
74
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:29:00 -
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DRGaius Baltar wrote:What gives CCP??? Item prices are not pulling from the API no longer?? Is this another "We forgot to add this in the patch notes" Discuss Here
Eve Central doesn't use the API servers for it's prices. CCP doesn't provide a market API. EVE central uses the EMDR network, which gets it's market data from EVEMon and other market uploaders. These market uploaders get their data from scraping the cache files of the client.
With Odyssey 1.1, CCP has changed the format of their cache. They have every right to do so. They have said before that cache scrapers are not guaranteed to not be affected by changes, or notified that such changes took place, as the cache is not designed to be a data source for third party developers. Scraping the cache files for market data is even strictly against the EULA (debatable, depending on who in CCP you ask), although they do not enforce it.
Unfortunately, we will have to wait until the various projects update their cache scrapers to work with the new format. This may or may not be trivial, depending on what changes CCP made. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
521
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:33:00 -
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Sable Blitzmann wrote:Unfortunately, we will have to wait until the various projects update their cache scrapers to work with the new format. This may or may not be trivial, depending on what changes CCP made.
Updating Reverence is at the top of my todo list, but I am currently not in the same country as my dev environment >.> GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1474
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:35:00 -
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CCP, just provide a market API for Christ's sake. Very few people are going to spend hours a day to manually scroll through market data at each of the hubs if cache scraping isn't going to work. Then your dynamic market will stagnate and become the domain of the few with enough isk to motivate others to spend hours a day manually scrolling through the market data. HTFU!...for the children! |
Sable Blitzmann
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
74
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:43:00 -
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Entity wrote:Sable Blitzmann wrote:Unfortunately, we will have to wait until the various projects update their cache scrapers to work with the new format. This may or may not be trivial, depending on what changes CCP made. Updating Reverence is at the top of my todo list, but I am currently not in the same country as my dev environment >.>
So I've read. When will you be getting back? If I had any experience in Reverence I would help out with it. =( |
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Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
48
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:43:00 -
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How would something that gathers info and then "looks" at it be against the EULA? Now if it was trying to send something back to the server or game then I could see the problem. |
Sable Blitzmann
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
75
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:48:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:How would something that gathers info and then "looks" at it be against the EULA? Now if it was trying to send something back to the server or game then I could see the problem.
Ask CCP Stillman. I don't believe it's in violation, however what I believe doesn't matter. The EULA is designed to be vague enough for CCP to call the shots at what they believe is and is not against it. There was a whole fiasco about it a few months ago. Stillman is the one I've seen that more or less states it's against the EULA, but that they don't enforce it. I'm too lazy to look up where he said it.
EDIT: i lied. It was way easy to find. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2899276#post2899276
Note that that statement hit devs like a brick wall, as it came out of nowhere and was before confirmed to not violate the EULA.
EDIT2: And here's another link where they plan to update the EULA, which may or may not be a good thing (they may outright say cache scraping is against the EULA), but also states that currently they wont enforce it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2900665#post2900665
But again, I stand by my statement that they are within their right to modify the cache without putting it in the patch notes, especially if something came up that required it to be modified to ensure stability (with new items / features / what have you). Since the cache is not an official third party data source, us developers can't expect them to tell us jack squat about changes. |
Tseehn Marhn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:05:00 -
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I use Eve Cache Parser for my software, and it looks like quite a bit has changed. It still seems to pull the right cache files; I looked at four items in the market, and the parser returned four cache files, but all the data is goofy. I only got five of the 13 or 14 sell orders listed, and I didn't get any buy orders at all. The orders I did get were contained in odd data types - like a dictionary where the key/value pair were both order data. However this behavior might be due to ECP parsing the cache files incorrectly now. The key thing missing is that there used to be a data structure named 'lret' that had all the order rows in it - lret is no longer there.
Until Desmont or another update their parser libraries, my development has halted. Given the fact that major developers have not found a solution yet, I'm guessing the changes are fairly extensive - perhaps cache scraping for market data is no longer viable.
If it is workaround-able, and the parser library devs take awhile to update their libs, I may have to write my own. In which case, does anyone know how the data is stored in the files? I'm assuming it's just serialized from Python.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
461
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:09:00 -
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Tseehn Marhn wrote: If it is workaround-able, and the parser library devs take awhile to update their libs, I may have to write my own. In which case, does anyone know how the data is stored in the files? I'm assuming it's just serialized from Python.
You sure CCP didn't start encrypting it? Some data still visible?
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Hawelt
Warpspeed Shipping Inc.
8
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:23:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:How would something that gathers info and then "looks" at it be against the EULA? Now if it was trying to send something back to the server or game then I could see the problem.
I've played around with Reverence, crawled markets using IGB javascript, EMDR and such things in the past.
So far the responses to my past GM tickets essentially said that they don't mind until you build a system that interacts with or issues market orders on its own without user interaction.
EVE is a sandbox and so far its been quite benefitial to have reasonably accurate market information available. When there is a big interest in services like eve-central it seems like a bad idea to pull the plug on the data source without some discussion. |
Uila Tsi
Cobalt Academy Catastrophic Uprising
0
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:25:00 -
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CCP does not encrypt it. I use Eve Cache Parser as well only probably a bit different than everyone else. My market program still works fine so it it should be possible to still pull what you need. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
807
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:30:00 -
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CCP - removing spreadsheets from EvE...because Screw You, thats why
just uninstalled because nothing works...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators WINMATAR.
114
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:53:00 -
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Minmatar hits T5 in faction warfare, LP store calculators stop working the next day.
LOL |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
359
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Posted - 2013.09.04 21:03:00 -
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Well they did change the entire way item data was presented in game, not surprising it has massive carry over effects. |
Tseehn Marhn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.04 21:31:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Tseehn Marhn wrote: If it is workaround-able, and the parser library devs take awhile to update their libs, I may have to write my own. In which case, does anyone know how the data is stored in the files? I'm assuming it's just serialized from Python.
You sure CCP didn't start encrypting it? Some data still visible?
Yes, some data is still visible. I got five seemingly random orders for an item I looked at, but all the data was there for those orders. I don't think CCP will ever encrypt the cache; I could be wrong, but I'd assume the extra overhead isn't worth it. Eliminating the cache altogether seems like a more likely approach.
Uila Tsi wrote:CCP does not encrypt it. I use Eve Cache Parser as well only probably a bit different than everyone else. My market program still works fine so it it should be possible to still pull what you need.
Would you mind telling how you use it? I set my includeMethodsFilter to "GetOrders", which seems to return the correct cache files, but searching through all the parsed data in those files I don't find all the orders. In particular, the 'lret' dictionary key no longer exists, which used to contain all the rows. It seems either the parser is not parsing correctly (and thus not returning all the orders), or not all the cache files are being found. |
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Admiral MastaKilla AlphaU
Itrek Innovations
0
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Posted - 2013.09.04 22:49:00 -
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I would happily give back this entire patch for my spreadsheets to work again #&$(&(#$$. |
CirroWing
Sky Boxers Northern Associates.
11
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:16:00 -
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CCP pls halp.
But seriously, the guys at EMDR are doing incredible stuff, it's a shame there's no support for easily accessable marketdata from CCP's end. |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:36:00 -
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It would seem the new guy from "EA" is making himself right at home. |
Oggat
The Adam's Family
31
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:16:00 -
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posting in a stealth remove local thread? |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
400
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:43:00 -
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*something something outdated code being updated* *something something some apps using Eve-Central are running fine*
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:01:00 -
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Wonder what happened to break it. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2019
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪor maybe EVEMon is a crashy mess right now, and they haven't updated their own data scraping software to match the new format? It's been working fine for me - from yesterday's update. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
747
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:11:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:CCP, just provide a market API for Christ's sake. Very few people are going to spend hours a day to manually scroll through market data at each of the hubs if cache scraping isn't going to work. Then your dynamic market will stagnate and become the domain of the few with enough isk to motivate others to spend hours a day manually scrolling through the market data.
That would require some actual work on CCPs part, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1884
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Wonder what happened to break it.
They changed the layout of the data in the cache. From what I've heard, it's mostly reorganising things like the namespace.
Pita to fix the cache scrapers, but not hellish difficult.
I've got a post up asking CCP for a crest based api, but it's a game design issue, rather than a technical one. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
578
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:33:00 -
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After hauling a lot of ships and stuff from a POS in w-space (where they were in POS hangars and thus technically not in my possession) to a station in empire yesterday, I updated my jEveassets to see a nice high number on my 'total assets worth'. Instead it dropped to like 1 billion I guess now I know why... . |
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