Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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ok, excuse my initial reaction. what would hapopen is a miner sees a dirty pie-rat enter local, he safespots, goes from safe to safe, for 15 minutes, and THEN logs. and then you'd be posting in here asking for faster scanners and better probes. in fact, maybe a big red line that only you can see, that goes from the nose of your ship to the miner? and a skill 'presence' which at lv5 makes the miner so scared to do anything he just sits there?

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Originally by: Bazman

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I Agree, its a complete joke that you can mine in 0.0 with absolutely no risk. I suggest Hast's suggestion should be implemented asap.

I also suggest that T2 producers be given a logoff timer every time they build a T2 module, double this time for BCS II producers, and automatically force them to undock while flagged criminally to everyone. Also, invalidate their clone contracts.

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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ok, excuse my initial reaction. what would hapopen is a miner sees a dirty pie-rat enter local, he safespots, goes from safe to safe, for 15 minutes, and THEN logs. and then you'd be posting in here asking for faster scanners and better probes. in fact, maybe a big red line that only you can see, that goes from the nose of your ship to the miner? and a skill 'presence' which at lv5 makes the miner so scared to do anything he just sits there?

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Originally by: fairimear

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lol why the **** has no one thought of this before.

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Originally by: St Dragon

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Exallent idea Hast problem is that miners can just hop between safespots till the timer runs out.

Instead why not make it so that pirats [those with negative sec] dont show up in local and on the overview will show up any miners in system so all you have to do is right click on a miner and select warp to 15km

In case you havent guessed yet all the above was me being sarcastic

Thankfully ccp will NEVER impliment anything like this.

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Originally by: St Dragon

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Oh btw i realise this was a joke thread

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: St Dragon

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Exallent idea Hast problem is that miners can just hop between safespots till the timer runs out.

Instead why not make it so that pirats [those with negative sec] dont show up in local and on the overview will show up any miners in system so all you have to do is right click on a miner and select warp to 15km

In case you havent guessed yet all the above was me being sarcastic

Thankfully ccp will NEVER impliment anything like this.

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them warping inbetween safespots isnt my concern, atleast then I have a fighting chance... the problem is that the time it takes from me to enter local, then scan them down, locking them down is > 2 minutes

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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I find it a good thing that you can quit and don't have to wait for the usual 2-5 minutes.

Some solution could be done, but a log out timer, no thanks.

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: St Dragon

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Oh btw i realise this was a joke thread

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you sir are infact wrong, it is a very serious thread and if you got nothing to contribute I suggest you keep your mouse away from the post button.

If it was a joke thread I would say something like

think of the roids, give miners a aggro timer!

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Experience exists in EVE,
it just isn't measured in numbers.

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Originally by: Ikvar

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Today alone I've had 5 NPCers in our 0.0 space warp to a safe and log when we've tried to engage them. WE NEED A TIMER.

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Experience exists in EVE,
it just isn't measured in numbers.

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Originally by: Ikvar

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Today alone I've had 5 NPCers in our 0.0 space warp to a safe and log when we've tried to engage them. WE NEED A TIMER.

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I live in a world where people don't take personal responsibility for their actions. You'd think I could at least pay for a game to get a taste no?

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Originally by: Ikvar

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SIGNED! Npcing one too please.

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Originally by: Ikvar

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Today alone I've had 5 NPCers in our 0.0 space warp to a safe and log when we've tried to engage them. WE NEED A TIMER.

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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ok, excuse my initial reaction. what would hapopen is a miner sees a dirty pie-rat enter local, he safespots, goes from safe to safe, for 15 minutes, and THEN logs. and then you'd be posting in here asking for faster scanners and better probes. in fact, maybe a big red line that only you can see, that goes from the nose of your ship to the miner? and a skill 'presence' which at lv5 makes the miner so scared to do anything he just sits there?

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your scenario is quite fine, what I'm talking about is the people that simply log off as soon as someone enters local, often they dont bother warping out of the belt... now where is the fairness of that?

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Originally by: Laythun

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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ok, excuse my initial reaction. what would hapopen is a miner sees a dirty pie-rat enter local, he safespots, goes from safe to safe, for 15 minutes, and THEN logs. and then you'd be posting in here asking for faster scanners and better probes. in fact, maybe a big red line that only you can see, that goes from the nose of your ship to the miner? and a skill 'presence' which at lv5 makes the miner so scared to do anything he just sits there?

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sir.

you know nothing.

i agree with Mr Hast, logoff timer for miners. so non of this bs 'omg omg omg someones in locla logoff now!"!12111'

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Originally by: Allan Robertson

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Gal Amat

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what? silly. would you also like an aggression timer from all asteroids eve-wide?

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yes indeed. This is due to the fact that just logging off is a too simple solution, the scanner often use two minutes just to load up, especially if you dont have overview settings on.

I dont see any reason whatsoever why this should not be implemented

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ok, excuse my initial reaction. what would hapopen is a miner sees a dirty pie-rat enter local, he safespots, goes from safe to safe, for 15 minutes, and THEN logs. and then you'd be posting in here asking for faster scanners and better probes. in fact, maybe a big red line that only you can see, that goes from the nose of your ship to the miner? and a skill 'presence' which at lv5 makes the miner so scared to do anything he just sits there?

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your scenario is quite fine, what I'm talking about is the people that simply log off as soon as someone enters local, often they dont bother warping out of the belt... now where is the fairness of that?

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It's their option to log off if they want to, you can't tell them want to do, now quit whining.

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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WARNING: You're about to quit even with those nasty aggressors out there. Are you sure you want to do this? Your ship WILL NOT disappear before two minute timer is gone.

You CAN quit, but your ship is on it's own for the two minute timer.

This is in aggression.

If i understand correctly, if you log out in space, it warps away. this could be done automatically, if possible, or if jammed, the ship would disappear.

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Originally by: Mark19960

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So what you want is the ability to kill miners with ease?
Expecially since most, if not all miners carry barely any offensive weapons?

What you want, are easy targets. try picking on someone your own size, and not some
miner in a barge with no weapons.

I dont think that logging off and being able to vanish is the best of ideas, but I think mining vessels should have the ability to cloak with no skills required.

If you find the miner, cloaked then you should have the rights to shoot him down.
Mining, expecially in 0.0 is a very risky proposition, and any vessel equipped with no offensive weapons should have the ability to equip a cloak as a special ability.
why? so the miner cant fight back but can at least hide.
say, cloak that uses very low pg when in use, not able to move fast or mine while cloaked. yeah you can stay cloaked a long time, but thats the idea. cloak ... move 200-300km away, uncloak and warp.

the only people i see crying are ones that are pirates. they want to kill players and thats fine. but lets give the miners something other than exploiting some logout scheme when trouble arises. logging out because your threatened by pirates definately hurts the game some, but not granting some defence to miners is just as bad.

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Originally by: Ikvar

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Originally by: Ikvar

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Today alone I've had 5 NPCers in our 0.0 space warp to a safe and log when we've tried to engage them. WE NEED A TIMER.

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I live in a world where people don't take personal responsibility for their actions. You'd think I could at least pay for a game to get a taste no?

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Wtf

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Experience exists in EVE,
it just isn't measured in numbers.

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Originally by: Allan Robertson

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This is silly, this guy just wants to force PvP on those who do not want to PvP, I'm not saying PvP is wrong or anything it's a part of the game, but no one should be forced into playing EVE in a way sombody else wants them to and thats final.

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Originally by: Allan Robertson

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This is silly, this guy just wants to force PvP on those who do not want to PvP, I'm not saying PvP is wrong or anything it's a part of the game, but no one should be forced into playing EVE in a way sombody else wants them to and thats final.

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Originally by: Vegeir

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Experience exists in EVE,
it just isn't measured in numbers.

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Originally by: Bazman

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I Agree, its a complete joke that you can mine in 0.0 with absolutely no risk.

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Originally by: Bazman

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I Agree, its a complete joke that you can mine in 0.0 with absolutely no PVP risk.

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Originally by: Lord Dynastron

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Ooo,, seems like a really bad idea for anybody except those wanting to pop unarmed miners. Anything involving harassing unarmed peeps rubs me the wrong way. Besides, destroying harmless people in 0.0 will just make 0.0 even less desirable.

However, if they are popping all your carefully farmed Ark roids then perhaps I can kinda see your point.

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: Bazman

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I Agree, its a complete joke that you can mine in 0.0 with absolutely no risk.

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Originally by: Bazman

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I Agree, its a complete joke that you can mine in 0.0 with absolutely no PVP risk.

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There we go. I just sorted out your incredably biased statement to more accurately reflect the problem you seem to be facing. And while were at it why not have miners warp drives not activate while their mining, and all the station deny docking access for 2 minutes...

hehe

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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A pirate comes in and scans the system ONCE to see if there are any targets.

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Originally by: Syrec

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The ships you are hunting have no guns, no ECM, no energy draining, no defense, and yet you're sitting here on this very forum complaining that it's too hard to kill them.

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Originally by: Syrec

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To the Original Poster:

The ships you are hunting have no guns, no ECM, no energy draining, no defense, and yet you're sitting here on this very forum complaining that it's too hard to kill them.

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To the proposed change:

A change like this would probably just keep everyone in boring old empire space. Miners would start losing their 100m+ mining ships much faster than they could make mining ore. Short term this change would be great for pirates, but long term from this change will leave no defenseless miners in space for you to gank. They will all move to empire where they can mine ombers and scordites in peace. The only miners left will be heavily guarded alliance miners, and you'd have to go up against other combat ships to get to them. Since you're main complaint here is about your main prey, defenceless miners, being too hard to kill.. I don't expect that you'd be able to handle fighting other combat ships.

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Originally by: DJTheBaron

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this may be unfair but i would like to see dust clouds formed and increase over time while lasers are active, that prevent warping within a certian radius, ...

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Originally by: Bazman

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... since any halfwit knows how to make it completely risk free ...

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: Bazman

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... since any halfwit knows how to make it completely risk free ...

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I think you've completely missed the meaning of risk-free there. It denotes the ability to do nothing and STILL be at no greater risk that if you were doing something... NPC's donot just passover you if you afk in a belt. Just becasue the occasional halfwit manages to kill the NPC doesn't mean its riskless...


I do feel for you though... not being able to get your daily quota of miner gankage does wear thin after a few days of searching. My advice is look for something thats willing to shoot you back, and have a bit of fun with that...

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Originally by: Bazman

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As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 07/01/2006 19:02:15

Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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A pirate comes in and scans the system ONCE to see if there are any targets.

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Have you ever scanned a system? Clearly not. See, the scanner only has a range of 14 AU. Systems can be up to 200 AU wide, in multiple directions. Manually scanning that takes half an hour, especially if you factor scanner lag in.

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Originally by: Bazman

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Do you even mine in 0.0? If you do, then you would know theres a way to simply bypass the NPC's

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Bazman

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As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever.

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There is no risk in hunting defenseless miners, which basicaly throws your argument about risk right out the window.

I said it once and I said it again, you're all complaining about not being able to get free kills. No doubt you are still popping miners and haulers, but apparently every miner should stay in place and bend over to get popped in any system you enter.

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Originally by: Bazman

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Do you even mine in 0.0? If you do, then you would know theres a way to simply bypass the NPC's

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Bazman

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As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever.

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There is no risk in hunting defenseless miners, which basicaly throws your argument about risk right out the window.

I said it once and I said it again, you're all complaining about not being able to get free kills. No doubt you are still popping miners and haulers, but apparently every miner should stay in place and bend over to get popped in any system you enter.

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Originally by: Syrec

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Not all of us 'sploit the NPCs like you do.

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Originally by: Bazman

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lol, way to miss the point of the thread

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Bazman

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lol, way to miss the point of the thread

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I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read.

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Bazman

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lol, way to miss the point of the thread

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I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read.

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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After a lot of thought, I dislike this idea.

When I am on my RA accounts mining arkonor in cache, its too hard to manually warp out all 16 accounts, and pressing alt+q is the only real option.

As such I feel that this is an awful idea, infact I propose that the 1 min logoff timer should be removed aswell as the PVP timers. Logging off should cause your ship to instantly dissapear.

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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After a lot of thought, I dislike this idea.

When I am on my RA accounts mining arkonor in cache, its too hard to manually warp out all 16 accounts, and pressing alt+q is the only real option.

As such I feel that this is an awful idea, infact I propose that the 1 min logoff timer should be removed aswell as the PVP timers. Logging off should cause your ship to instantly dissapear.

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Thats quite funny.... 16 you say? Try using gang warp with them all, might save u some time

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Bazman

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lol, way to miss the point of the thread

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I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read.

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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What is this gang warping you speak of? wtf?

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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What is this gang warping you speak of? wtf?

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Thats the thing that gets u killed in fleet battles , and im for your idea of insta log-off

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Look dude its not like he is trying to take the veld out of Jita, and as such this won't effect you at all. He is refering to the people who live in 0.0. There is of course risk for the people hunting the NPCs. Furthermore he has not suggested they sit still, seriosuly did you read the post! He is suggesting they should not be able to get away with logging in the belts.

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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Why take a fleet to battle? NPC much more profitable alone...

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Originally by: Hast

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the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Hast

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the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner

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Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem.

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Originally by: The Ratfink

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Been in a noob corp for over a year with high agent standings not suprising probably a macromining ebaying agent whoring carebear

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Hast

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the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner

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Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem.

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Hast

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the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner

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Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem.

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Originally by: Hast

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Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!

but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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All you need to do is detail out why it is sooo important for you to be able to gank miners, then this thread will have a shred is credibility.


I suggest grow a pair and stop hunting miners and head out for some real PvP mkay?


If mining ships were supposed to battle other ships they would have the abilty to fight and mine at the same time.

If you think the point of eve is hunting miners well... your a gimp end of story. The fact you made the guy log means you won the encounter he is gone your not, needing to destroy his ship means your a weak carebear ganker who wants to pad killstats with miners, quite emberassing if you ask me.

I got a better idea why not make it so people with full mining equipment set ups dont even show up in local at all.

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Originally by: Hast

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Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!

but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off

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Originally by: Avaleric

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...what, u are actually complaining that is is too hard to attack defenseless miners..???

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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All you need to do is detail out why it is sooo important for you to be able to gank miners, then this thread will have a shred is credibility.


I suggest grow a pair and stop hunting miners and head out for some real PvP mkay?


If mining ships were supposed to battle other ships they would have the abilty to fight and mine at the same time.

If you think the point of eve is hunting miners well... your a gimp end of story. The fact you made the guy log means you won the encounter he is gone your not, needing to destroy his ship means your a weak carebear ganker who wants to pad killstats with miners, quite emberassing if you ask me.

I got a better idea why not make it so people with full mining equipment set ups dont even show up in local at all.

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Originally by: Hast

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if you want to mine in 0.0 bring protection. And Ruby, one is within the game mechanics, the other is not. you guess wich is wich

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Hast

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Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!

but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off

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Cookie monster is my favourite muppet.

In all honestly, would it satisfy you if they warped between safe spots for 15 minutes before logging off? They are never going to willingly let you lock and fire on them, so until every game mechanic that allows them to easily escape is nerfed, you are going to be out of luck.

You'd be better off commenting on local chat instead of wanting penalties for miners (isn't going to happen). At least with a local chat nerf the miner can't see the pirate and the pirate can't see the miner. It would work both ways and provide a fair and balanced solution to many problems.

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: Hast

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if you want to mine in 0.0 bring protection. And Ruby, one is within the game mechanics, the other is not. you guess wich is wich

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Now now, its frowned upon, but its not exploiting... you can call them coward, chickens, or whatever you like, and im sure you'd be right... and im also sure they wouldn't care.

If it wasn't in the game mechanics, the log out option would not appear inspace, but it does... I suggest you camp like everyone else does in 0.0. The kill rate is much higher if you time it right.

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Originally by: Hast

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yes, that would satisfy me, because then it comes down to my skills vs their skills, and my mods compared to theirs. not if they manage to spot me and close the client before I find them...

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Originally by: Hast

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camping is boring and I dont think camping is a form of pvp. anyone who has tried camping knows that its useless. you can spot a camp from miles away...

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Hast

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yes, that would satisfy me, because then it comes down to my skills vs their skills, and my mods compared to theirs. not if they manage to spot me and close the client before I find them...

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Your 'skill' compared to them?! Are you joking? You're fighting a mining ship and actually talking about skill?

You wouldn't get a chance to use your mods with them warping between safe spots.

The point I'm trying to get across to you is that you are a combat ship fit to destroy other ships. If you ever get in locking distance of the mining ship, you are probably going to destroy it. Their mods are mining lasers and doodads to increase their ability to mine. They rely on their ability to spot you, just the same as you go system to system looking for miners.

If they had no way to tell you were around while you could see them and swoop into their belt, they would stand no chance. It would be too easy for you. Easy-mode, meaning not balanced. The only skill involved in pirating a mining ship is finding the mining ship. Mods and fighting skill don't matter. Any n00b in a cruiser can attack and mining ship and win.

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Originally by: Hast

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<snip pre-amble>

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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"That would be perfect! Want to kill a mining op? You have to go through there escort to get to them. PERFECT. As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever."


Great now what can we do about putting the gankers at risk? You get to drive aroud all day long with no risk (can log any time you want)looking for miners to gank. Why is it that the miners have to be the ones carrying the risk but not you?

Lets make it so anyone without a full mining laser set up can only warp once every 15 minutes and for every ship within 200 km your allied with you take a 25% penalty to accuracy and dmg!

No better yet lets give mining ships the abilty to self destruct instantly and instant kill everything with in 500 square kilometers.

LEts....... lets stop being retarded eve is about freedom it is an open world where players are left to choose how they want to play

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Garric Vor'g

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BTW, before people say anything ... look at my security status, I am NOT a PK and prefer to stay away from most combat.

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Hoshino

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LOL well if its not the biggest whiners of all the pirates

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You whine about bm you whine about this and that sorry guys but loging is the only defence that solo miners and miners with no corp fleet for protection in deep space have so i fully understand that you want to take that from them

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So like all you log of pirates and gankers that you guys are do what we cearbears do live with it ok.

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And lets face it hunting miners killing targets that cant realy shoot back you are so lame thats its almost funny but not realy cause its just sad how cool you guys think you are killing stuff that cant kill you back

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start thinking about a way to make this work for you like the cearbear world has done around pirates

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Whats lame is sitting paying a subscription to stare at an asteriod.

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Originally by: Syrec

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Whats lame is sitting paying a subscription to stare at an asteriod.

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Oh how little you know young padawan. The astroids are an incarnation of death. Lead by the mighty Veldspar race, they have armies in mulitple parts of *every* solar system. If not kept in check they will surely conquer the galaxy and destroy us all.

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Originally by: Hoshino

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oh im sorry if my remark ****ed you off was answering the 1st not all you guys that have some important input to this i realy dont cear what you think or say this is just my 2 cents on this matter take it or just dont i do not cear but logging of is a realy smart tacktic to pirates that try to gank miners end of story and like i sayd b4 it can **** you off or not if it does **** you off then try to use the tools you got to work around the problem end of story

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Hoshino

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oh im sorry if my remark ****ed you off was answering the 1st not all you guys that have some important input to this i realy dont cear what you think or say this is just my 2 cents on this matter take it or just dont i do not cear but logging of is a realy smart tacktic to pirates that try to gank miners end of story and like i sayd b4 it can **** you off or not if it does **** you off then try to use the tools you got to work around the problem end of story

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what tools? come home to you and physically restraining you from logging off?

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Originally by: Sarela

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*snip*

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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild

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Just make local optional (i.e. talk = show portrait in local) and we wouldn't have this problem now would we.

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Originally by: DARTHEXIDOUS

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While were at it how about a 1 hour timer were if a pirate gets hit by a sentry gun they cant log off till 1 hour is up gezzzz get real do you want more patches and problems with server its those above this thread that cause this to happen thats why theres all the lagg now go and have a chill pill and think carefully what your wanting in an adult way of thinking :P make note to pod 30 pirates today for the fun of it mwhahaha.

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Originally by: DARTHEXIDOUS

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While were at it how about a 1 hour timer were if a pirate gets hit by a sentry gun they cant log off till 1 hour is up gezzzz get real do you want more patches and problems with server its those above this thread that cause this to happen thats why theres all the lagg now go and have a chill pill and think carefully what your wanting in an adult way of thinking :P make note to pod 30 pirates today for the fun of it mwhahaha.

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Originally by: Mark A

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/signed

Also make mining barges align very slowly, so they take a while to get into warp.

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Originally by: Halkin

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I cant quite believe people dont get the point of this post. Log off timer should apply to any activity that has any hi slot action.

To the people saying it should apply to combat, it already does! As for the NPC agression timer,I'm not sure if that makes your ship stay in space or not, but if it doesnt it should.

Why should miners be able to simply ctrl + q their way out of trouble in 0.0 space? To the people sho say they should because they are miners then why are they in 0.0 without protection in the first place.

Miner log off timer should be brought into the game.

I've mined in 0.0 myself without protection, simply tanked the spawn with my other char, and it can be frustrating when someone comes along and pops your can full of bistot but thats why its 0.0 ffs.

If you want to be able to earn millions of isk in no time at all in 0.0 space then it shouldnt be a risk free endeavour.

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: DukDodgerz

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they heed an "I win because I want to win" button on the GUI...

the thread is a joke, or the OP is...

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Originally by: Judas Jones

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Miner Timer ehh!

Well, in that case there should be a camper/sniper timer as well...hmm, if u get within 300km's of a gate and commit a hostile action, you can't log for 20mins and your warp drive becomes inoperable for 10mins. This is due to the interaction of charged particles resulting from weapons fire and impacting upon shileds, interluding with gate trasnversal multispectral energy that is present to initiate a jump sequence.

Mkay?

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Originally by: kahle

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if anything is a joke its your post, at least enlighten us with your amazing insight and give a reason why this shouldnt be implemented. or are you the chicken kinda guy who logs at the first sign of trouble?

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Originally by: Judas Jones

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Pirate/Snipers sit at gates with much inpunity, fitted with WCS and run the first time a hostile fleet looks like its gonna ruin there parade. I do not object to this at all as its part of the game. Yet one cop out tatic is accepted but another is not? Both are designed for self preservation with one key difference, the sniper is looking to kill and PvP gank whereas the miner is not therefor why should the miner be mroe handicaped?

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Originally by: Judas Jones

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Pirate/Snipers sit at gates with much inpunity, fitted with WCS and run the first time a hostile fleet looks like its gonna ruin there parade. I do not object to this at all as its part of the game. Yet one cop out tatic is accepted but another is not? Both are designed for self preservation with one key difference, the sniper is looking to kill and PvP gank whereas the miner is not therefor why should the miner be mroe handicaped?

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Judas Jones

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Pirate/Snipers sit at gates with much inpunity, fitted with WCS and run the first time a hostile fleet looks like its gonna ruin there parade. I do not object to this at all as its part of the game. Yet one cop out tatic is accepted but another is not?

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Originally by: Ruby StarFire

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Originally by: Bazman

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... since any halfwit knows how to make it completely risk free ...

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I think you've completely missed the meaning of risk-free there. It denotes the ability to do nothing and STILL be at no greater risk that if you were doing something... NPC's donot just passover you if you afk in a belt. Just becasue the occasional halfwit manages to kill the NPC doesn't mean its riskless...


I do feel for you though... not being able to get your daily quota of miner gankage does wear thin after a few days of searching. My advice is look for something thats willing to shoot you back, and have a bit of fun with that...

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Originally by: DukDodgerz

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they heed an "I win because I want to win" button on the GUI...

the thread is a joke, or the OP is...

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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this is rediculous, what If the miner had to log for legit reasons? No go.

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Originally by: Flyyn

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Originally by: Hast

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Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.

I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.


Best regard
A unhappy Hast

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Shure, I like that. But also add a warning broadcasted from the jump gate, "Warning!!! Hast, an evil pirate has entered the system!! Run!! Hide!! or just kiss you arse goodbye!!"

Yeah lets make it easy for gankers and Pk'ers to drive more people from the game. That just adds more room for the macro miners.

You already made it so, a newbie cant survive an encounter with you, they can log, they cant pay your ransome, just die. Now you want to sneak up on them? And keep them from surviving?

They dont want to fight you, of course, its really not much of a fight, "****!!! Where did he come from?? Run guys!!! Hey its been awhile, I forgot my clone was here..." And that is how long the fight will last.

Get your rocks off by attacking sombody that can defend themselves.

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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb

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I don't have any probs with a timer, but people, listen to your selfves!
Lol, you actually want the gamedevelopers change the game to make it more easy for you to gank a non-hostile un-armed player minding his own business? It's like a little kid squashing ants for fun. Don't you want little bit more challenging targets then that???

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb

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I don't have any probs with a timer, but people, listen to your selfves!
Lol, you actually want the gamedevelopers change the game to make it more easy for you to gank a non-hostile un-armed player minding his own business? It's like a little kid squashing ants for fun. Don't you want little bit more challenging targets then that???

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The reason 0.0 space exists is too ensure that the game sticks to the fundamental premis that makes it great, non concensual pvp. I honestly worry about the intellect of some of the people who browse the general section of these forums.

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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb

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Edited by: Gibbah Dibb on 10/01/2006 14:08:13
Edited by: Gibbah Dibb on 10/01/2006 14:07:45

Originally by: Chowdown

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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb

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I don't have any probs with a timer, but people, listen to your selfves!
Lol, you actually want the gamedevelopers change the game to make it more easy for you to gank a non-hostile un-armed player minding his own business? It's like a little kid squashing ants for fun. Don't you want little bit more challenging targets then that???

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The reason 0.0 space exists is too ensure that the game sticks to the fundamental premis that makes it great, non concensual pvp. I honestly worry about the intellect of some of the people who browse the general section of these forums.

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Im sorry, my intellect is obviously not on par with yours. I understand that now. I hope you can forgive me.

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Originally by: Felicia Stone

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I totally agree with your reasons for suggesting this feature. Logging off to avoid combat is lame and a game mechanic loophole.
However... What is to become of people that have a client crash or an ISP failure? With your solution in place miners in any sec space can be torn apart by rats (or players) if they are forced to logout for reasons that are beyond their control.
I realise that for a simple CTD you can log back in but a powercut or ISP screw up could leave you offline for hours.
You could attempt to petition to get your ship/equipment replaced but what proof would you have? How easy would it be to exploit the helpful GM's?
As such I think that your solution is reasonable but could never be implemented.

Flic

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Originally by: BirdBleed

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if shinra spent more time trying to kill the poor noob miners than they did spamming crap on the forums, they might actually get a kill !!!!!

:)

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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I find it a good thing that you can quit and don't have to wait for the usual 2-5 minutes.

Some solution could be done, but a log out timer, no thanks.

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if you got a better idea I would definatly like to hear it

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Originally by: CaptainSeafort

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oh great, parents shout "tea time" and i haveta sit there...and wait...and wait...and wait... and then eat, all cos i dont want my ship wtf pwnt by belt rats? xD

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Originally by: Sykosys

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Ive actually read the whole thread

I say no to this idea. It will cause far more problems

If the system the miners are in has no stations they can only mine so much. And by making them log off your hurting them far worse by killing their play time, and without play time there is no mining on that account.

This idea wouldn't work as someone mentioned before about blackouts and ISP issues.

The reason there is a PVP timer is that during combat it was too easy to log off and dissapear while actually fighting. The guys doing the Ctrl-Q bit (Which I don't agree with) is lame but its their only way of escaping you. I mean if they ran to a ss and logged or POS and logged or NPC station or logged whats the really big deal. Hey if they are using drones you just got a bunch of free drones.

I think this is a bad idea. Hey yes its your space all you need is to protect your borders a bit better. Remember if there is no station he has to leave eventually somehow. And that is when you kill this intruder which for some reason seems to bother you so much.

Ummm you could always have someone else enter local that looks a little more friendly and have them scout the belts they use. They have to log back eventually too at 1 point. And when they log back they warp tot he spot they logged off at.

Yes I am a miner



SYKOSYS

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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb

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I don't have any probs with a timer, but people, listen to your selfves!
Lol, you actually want the gamedevelopers change the game to make it more easy for you to gank a non-hostile un-armed player minding his own business? It's like a little kid squashing ants for fun. Don't you want little bit more challenging targets then that???

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Originally by: Bklyn 1

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nothing beats the thrill and adreneline rush of fighting a mining barge!!! once one sent his viscous drones at me and i actually took a point of damage to my shields before i blew him up killing miner's is too hard! we have to find a way to make it easier!!!

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Originally by: Summersnow

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Basically this thread boils down to a few disgruntled griefers looking to commit the uber-grief and force every single player to waste 15 minutes of there lives everytime they log off just to make it a lil easier to gank defenseless miners?

With what my emplyers says my time is worth thats $35-$50 worth of my time a week, just to QUIT playing for the day.

I assume shinra will be footing that bill for this ***-ass sugestion?

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Originally by: Erfnam

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Like many online games, CCP took the "tree falling in the woods stance". If a tree falls in the woods and no other player is around, then it doesn't matter because no one was there to hear it. If you are not directly interacting with other players, then for all intensive purposes, you are not even there. BTW, pvpers do not have a log off timer, engaging in pvp does. So if you are not currently fighting another player, then you instantly log off like the rest of the people only interacting with the environment.

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Originally by: Hayabusa Fury

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Edited by: Hayabusa Fury on 21/01/2006 11:59:22
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This really sounds like a "Make it easier for me to pwn people!" thread.

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Originally by: Nyxus

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PvP aggression has a log off timer.

NPC aggression should have a log off timer.

Roid aggression should have a log off timer. (for OZ's sake if for no other)

TBH I would rather replace local chat entirely with a voluntary constellation chat, but this would really make it a bit more fair accross the board.

PvPers have a log off timer....why not anyone else?

Nyxus

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Originally by: Serene Sky

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Okay, fine, implement it. We'll simply warp between safespots for 15 minutes, or use an insta to a station, and log off there after boring you for 15 minutes.

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Originally by: Serene Sky

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Okay, fine, implement it. We'll simply warp between safespots for 15 minutes, or use an insta to a station, and log off there after boring you for 15 minutes.

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