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Kayl Breinhar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 04:16:00 -
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This is BS, but it's true, unfortunately...
Being anonymously annoying online is now a Federal Crime
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proselytizer
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Posted - 2006.01.10 04:26:00 -
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wtf...
Are you kidding me? I can't believe I can even live under this idiot, anyways, I plan to run to Canada before Bush weasels congress to give him a third term.
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Kjewla
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Posted - 2006.01.10 04:32:00 -
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iv heard worse than that, in a state there is a crime to walk backwards while eating a donut?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:01:00 -
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I'm moving to Norway... The USA is goin to Hell in a Handbasket!
Thats some scarry stuff...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Drusty
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Drusty on 10/01/2006 05:17:18 OMG..... I am American. YET ANOTHER STUPID LAW BECAUSE STUPID PEOPLE ARE IN OFFICE. If i could yarr and yarr enough to have him veto that law i would be greatful. To think i >>>(I am not finishing this) Wait hell i should move to communist Cuba course then i wouldnt beable to play this game. He is just angry because people make fun of him on the internet. BOO p.s does anyone know when his term is up?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:17:00 -
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This had better be a joke.
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Drusty
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:30:00 -
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This Beyond F***ED up this infringes on my constitutional rights as a american. And to believe i defend these articals. May god help me i am goin to write and letter to someone dont know who yet but Gah please report me i aim to misbehave. I have a right to free speech in my country who does he think he is. He's a *^&&%&^% I do however follow forum rules if this post is breaking them please let me know.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Balklanac on 10/01/2006 05:36:58 This is a political post and does not belong here or anywher on the forums
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Thingul Sindacolla
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:38:00 -
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Ahahaha crazy.
@ Trevedian: welcome to norway :p
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:38:00 -
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You know, you are all getting stupid over Bush signing this law.
Ted Kennedy wrote it. Just like Ted Kennedy wrote No Child Left Behind that all the lefties seem to hate.
You really need to pay more attention to your congressmen, they are in power a lot longer than any president can be. And their ability to come up with stupid laws far outdistances your ability to do much about it whining here.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.01.10 06:13:00 -
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The first person who tries will shoot this down due to freedom of speech.
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2006.01.10 06:35:00 -
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So how do you petition if someone is annoying you?
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic The first person who tries will shoot this down due to freedom of speech.
And yet, structures will self-regulate and we will soon see a US-only forum (with real name) and another forum for us, the rest of the world.
Welcome to the China Syndrome!
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.01.10 06:48:00 -
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WHUAHAHAHAHA!!! Americans always make me laugh. This law must have been thought up by some of their top brainiacs. What a joke.
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Captin Biltmore
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Posted - 2006.01.10 06:57:00 -
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Just make sure you blame the correct person (some people have been blaming Bush, hell people blame him for EVERYTHING nowdays because it's just plain easy):
Quote:
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.
The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:01:00 -
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Bush never cease to amaze me with his absurd decision --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Shai Faetal on 10/01/2006 07:24:35 Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act.
is that guy a feckin moron!?D.... oh wait nm.
did he or anyone else read ther damn thing before signing it ?
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Alfredje
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:24:00 -
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Quote: his is BS, but it's true, unfortunately...
I find this a very annoying post! You are so lucky I am not an american citizen...
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:33:00 -
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'con' is the opposite of 'pro', and it seems like Congress is being the opposite of progress again =/
Good thing I'm in the UK.
Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
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Zephirz
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:47:00 -
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lmao. hehehe
Anyways theres also a state in america were blind people can legally Hunt deers... alone...
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:54:00 -
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what can you say?, americans get what they voted for
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rhumbline
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Posted - 2006.01.10 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Malken what can you say?, americans get what they voted for
Yeah, so did us Brits....go figure...
More and more of our lives are being regulated, by people who if you really knew them, you wouldnt waste the effort to kick them in the backside. Fighting for your rights? Ok, if you believe that, have a happy pill and sit in the corner quietly please.
Interesting area to post this tho, sort of is and isnt right.
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F'lan Ker
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Posted - 2006.01.10 08:26:00 -
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S!
Gate camp White House or for Britons, the House of Parliament Things are not any better in European Union either, filled with idiots having no idea of NORMAL life. Inventing laws, regulations and other things that only hamper your life. Long live bureaucracy! -----------------------------------------------------
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2006.01.10 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal did he or anyone else read ther damn thing before signing it ?
Probably didn't but even if they did it would be unlikely they would vote against it and might not have enough people to remove that portion of the bill.
For example the Oil drilling in Alaska preserve was kicked out that was tacked onto a military budget bill (not related).
But its a common trick. Have a bill like "Free kittens for Orphans" and tack on a bill that lets you allow to lock up people you don't like. Anyone votes against it they get ad campagain going about how they voted against Orphans getting kittens.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.01.10 08:54:00 -
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Yes friends, this is how it starts.
First came the Department of Fatherland Security. Didn't we already have a Justice Department and a Department of Defence?
Then came the "terrorist watch list" which a 4 year old toddler, a 63 year old nun, and countless innocents find themselves listed in.
Then the patriot act to ensure that the NSA can data-mine every citizen in America and keep files on what types of activities they're engaged in.
This is just the latest initiative by The Fuhrer and the other National Socialists in congress to be everyone's big brother.
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R3 1D
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:23:00 -
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Look on the brightside - it'll stop alt troll posts
(Yes, my main account is broken)
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:28:00 -
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Much as I'd like to believe this to be a hoax, the saddest thing is that it'd not even surprise me if it wasn't.
This has a lot of potential implications, assuming it's true;
Does this leave open a backdoor for a US-based hardhead to carry out legal repercussions against a non-US person that is deemed to have "annoyed" the US citizen? Considering prior incidents where american corporations and organisations have tried extending US laws on non-US individuals, this could prove rather dire.
Much as I'd like to put on a tinfoil hat and cry conspiracy, I'd not even be surpirsed if this is actually real. And that's the saddest part.
My sympahties to any free-thinking US citizen who may find themselves getting the shaft by overzealous, mentally stunted legal eagle-wannabes who believe the best way to show displeasure with something is to either shoot it, abolish it or sue it into oblivion.
And I say that as a half-american, *not* living in the US.
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
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BlackHawk177
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:55:00 -
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This'll never fly b/c of the lovely 1st Amendment...
I love the Bill of Rights
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:25:00 -
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O.K. everybody needs to listen to me on this one...LMAO. The last time i tried to get the FBI internet crimes division to assist me on a MMOG problem i had.....they laughed at me. This definately will not apply to MMOG's.
Give me a freakin' break.
P.S. Am i being annoying?
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:35:00 -
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haha, and the tragic part is that most americans don't know about this law, and still think they live in the land of the "free". Or something.
oh, no smacktalking in local for you americans anymore!
We still have room for some more people in Norway, you're welcome.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Larsonist O.K. everybody needs to listen to me on this one...LMAO. The last time i tried to get the FBI internet crimes division to assist me on a MMOG problem i had.....they laughed at me. This definately will not apply to MMOG's.
Give me a freakin' break.
P.S. Am i being annoying?
Type another annoying post like that and il have you sued
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Clipped Wings Much as I'd like to believe this to be a hoax, the saddest thing is that it'd not even surprise me if it wasn't.
This has a lot of potential implications, assuming it's true;
Does this leave open a backdoor for a US-based hardhead to carry out legal repercussions against a non-US person that is deemed to have "annoyed" the US citizen? Considering prior incidents where american corporations and organisations have tried extending US laws on non-US individuals, this could prove rather dire.
Much as I'd like to put on a tinfoil hat and cry conspiracy, I'd not even be surpirsed if this is actually real. And that's the saddest part.
My sympahties to any free-thinking US citizen who may find themselves getting the shaft by overzealous, mentally stunted legal eagle-wannabes who believe the best way to show displeasure with something is to either shoot it, abolish it or sue it into oblivion.
I can assure you that this law will have no effect on anyone located outside of the USA. As long as there is no international law regulating the internet, anyone can still talk smack anonymously from outside the U.S. without being affected by this law. thepiratebay.org has a long, proud tradition of taking advantage of liberal scandinavian laws (its servers are located in Sweden) to bypass American and British regulations on P2P software, for instance, and there's also this case with a Norwegian guy (DVD-Jon) who was the first to bypass the copyright protection of DVDs and make public the way to do it, a clear crime in the U.S. but according to the Norwegian Supreme Court his actions were not in violation of Norwegian law, even when faced with tons of pressure from institutions like the MPAA.
The morale? I'm glad I can stay in Norway and enjoy the Scandinavian way.
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Anfelina Adante
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:07:00 -
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The president, worried about his ratings, passed a law today that only the following words may be used in the same sentence with his name: swell, great, fantastic, on-top-of-things, concerned, dog lover, ...
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:16:00 -
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This law will never actually be used. Its like speed limits on the highway.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:25:00 -
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I'd laugh if such laws were only passed that side of all the oceans, but alas, there are even politicians trying to close the internet between 2300 and 0700 in central Europe.
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Aledor Lueltana
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aledor Lueltana on 10/01/2006 11:34:38 Ummmmm....no
Quote: H.R.3402 Sec. 113 (a)(3)(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).
Therefore the new wording applies only to instances arising under subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1).
The subsection referred to by the amended text is: "(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications;"
The presence of the phrase "Called number" pretty conclusively removed all internet communications such as blogs and message boards. This seems to be measure to close a loophole that existed for internet based phone call services like vonage, etc because there is clearly no called number with regard to blogs.
This article is a joke. You may commence with the annoyance without fear.
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Liver Damage
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anfelina Adante The president, worried about his ratings, passed a law today that only the following words may be used in the same sentence with his name: swell, great, fantastic, on-top-of-things, concerned, dog lover, ...
Dog lover? He didn't think that one through.
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4rc4ng3L
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:47:00 -
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Yet another reason why im am so freakn glad to be irish. I wont even think of making jokes at all you americans, i feel too sorry for you.... LMAO sorry, couldnt help it :)
Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live... |
Spathi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:51:00 -
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So now I can get people thrown in jail if they smacktalk after they dont pay the ransom?
Sweet.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:58:00 -
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Ohhhhhh Caaaanadaaaaaa.
Volt
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian I'm moving to Norway... The USA is goin to Hell in a Handbasket!
Thats some scarry stuff...
Trevedian... Welcome to Norway, the last Soviet state!!! (or so one Swedish minister or something once said )
Btw.. loads of stupid laws look nice on paper and was formed with the best intentions.
One come to my mind "3 strike" law, wich was meant to punish hard criminals that repeated heavy crimes like rape, murder and so on.
What it did punish and achive.. was to fill up the prisons (in USA) with guys who stole bicycles while drunk, food because they where hungry and so on.. just that they did commit their third crime even how silly it might have been but they got sentenced after the third strike law and ended up with 25 to life !!!
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Anfelina Adante
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:15:00 -
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Watch some of the classic movies, such as with Jimmy Cagney, and it's plain that that law has been around for some time. They called it a 'three time loser.'
So, the three strikes your out is the governments way of saying, 'OMG we better look like we are doing something, or people will become suspicious of us.'
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:40:00 -
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not being funny but ccp better adopt a policy on this.
in theory any player could petition federal law if annoyed by a player on the proviso they are american?
could in theory stop lame alt posts.
this is truly crazy.
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hattifnatt
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: hattifnatt on 10/01/2006 14:24:56 YARR! Im gonna go smack some americans, LOL! ___ /o.0\ \___/ <-- This is Jigglypuff!! |
Spathi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Spathi on 10/01/2006 14:54:51
Originally by: slothe not being funny but ccp better adopt a policy on this.
in theory any player could petition federal law if annoyed by a player on the proviso they are american?
could in theory stop lame alt posts.
this is truly crazy.
CCP are not a US company and have (as far as I am aware) no assets in the US, except maybe Kieron (thanks for the info EON v2). Therefore no US law could be enforced on them as long as the US and Iceland have no treaties. Besides CCP would only be asked to help the agency track down the person and CCP would be within their rights to tell them to "Get Bent".
As much as some people (like the record companies) in the US want to believe, US law doesn't mean squat outside the US boarders. There are some countries which will co-operate for serious crimes but they usually have to go through the local courts first. For example, if I break the DMCA but its not a crime in the UK, I am not subject to the DMCA and the US can't do anything about it. One example I can think of is a bittorrent site which posts all the legal threats they get from record companies. They always make fun of the lawyers when they quote the DMCA to a guy who lives in the EU. I've often had people send me a link to the latest threat to have a laugh. I wont post the link to it (Movie/Music/Software Piracy is bad, EVE Piracy is good) but anyone who uses Bittorrent will know it. Their name has "Pirate" in it.
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Spathi
CCP are not a US company and have (as far as I am aware) no assets in the US, except maybe Kieron (thanks for the info EON v2). Therefore no US law could be enforced on them as long as the US and Iceland have no treaties.
Sorry but your wrong. In order to do business in the US you have to abide by various US laws. Its a bit of a pain tbh. For example you can't sell to the US and sell to restricted companies/countries/people that the US have outlawed. You can't for example also agree with an embargo in your country if the US doesn't allow that embargo.
There are a range of other rules. If they break them then they loose thier ability to sell in the US (at best) and maybe fines/jail time if entering the US (at worst).
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Loodo Viscious
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:18:00 -
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You cannont be mad at Bush for this. READ the article. If you are gonna be ****ed, be ****ed at congress.
I have a cargo scanner and im not scared to use it. Actually a ship scanner too. Beware. |
DeMundus
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:25:00 -
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Does that mean I can smacktalk americans in-ga,e and if the talk back to me in an non-pleasent way, I can sue them?
Just give me your isk and we will get along!
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Removal Tool
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:39:00 -
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You know what's far worse than the "annoyance" law?.....The U.S. government's current use of Imminent Domain. Basically now real estate developers can fund their own study showing that if they redeveloped the land that your house is on, that the city would have more tax revenue generated, then BAM! They can "legally" take your home against your will. Previously Emminent Domain was only supposed to be used when roads and schools needed to be built. So in effect it's Government sanctioned Corruption. Even the right-wing biased FOX News channel is rallying against this......so I guess the money is going directly from the U.S. Real Estate Developing Corporations to the Corrupt Politicians.
In Ohio a nice neighborhood was considered "blighted" and therefore up for raizing due to the poor conditions of it's streets.......which of course is the responsibility of the City to maintain. The same thing is happening in Florida where a neighborhood on the waterfront is being raized to build Condo's and a yacht club!
What are they going to say next?..."Let them eat cake"? Take it from me a politically moderate who has never owned a weapon.......these Land Barons are going to meet with a direct and untimely demise, I expect.
As for me, I am moving to Vancouver, B.C. ASAP. Voted best city to live in on the planet 2nd year in a row!
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kayl Breinhar This is BS, but it's true, unfortunately...
Being anonymously annoying online is now a Federal Crime
I find this post anoying, who are you?
But seriosly I find the law a laugh, just like the decency act of 95 (or round there) it will have no effect whatsoever as the law is only binding for crimes conmitted on US soil.
Firstly EvE will be unafected as the server is based in the UK, secondly the law is not there to hunt anoying people, its there to hunt dissidents, be as anoying as you want, nothing will happen unless you tee off the wrong person, the person with connections.
The really big question is how the GOP will feel about all thise powers they have given the powers that be when the republicans loose power, last I checked they still claimed the US was a democracy (even if it really is a representative republic).
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Originally by: Trevedian I'm moving to Norway... The USA is goin to Hell in a Handbasket!
Thats some scarry stuff...
Trevedian... Welcome to Norway, the last Soviet state!!! (or so one Swedish minister or something once said )
Btw.. loads of stupid laws look nice on paper and was formed with the best intentions.
One come to my mind "3 strike" law, wich was meant to punish hard criminals that repeated heavy crimes like rape, murder and so on.
What it did punish and achive.. was to fill up the prisons (in USA) with guys who stole bicycles while drunk, food because they where hungry and so on.. just that they did commit their third crime even how silly it might have been but they got sentenced after the third strike law and ended up with 25 to life !!!
Im just waiting for one of the Bush daughters to get caught again, as far as I remember she has thus far got caught using a fake ID to buy alcohol twise.
Would be fun to see how the law works on her :)
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:56:00 -
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"Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled. "
Oh No! We might lose this valuable service to mankind
What a nob :p
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Crzycnck2
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: proselytizer wtf...
Are you kidding me? I can't believe I can even live under this idiot, anyways, I plan to run to Canada before Bush weasels congress to give him a third term.
And to think Bush won the first election with less votes than Gore (isn't that an oxymoron).. Man you Americans have some strange ideas of what the Law is for.
Anyway. Welcome to Canada... lets go watch a hockey game and drink tons of Beer.
Battle Angels Gather, They Warp In, Guns Engage, Ships Die.
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: proselytizer wtf...
Are you kidding me? I can't believe I can even live under this idiot, anyways, I plan to run to Canada before Bush weasels congress to give him a third term.
So I dont know your real name! So this is going to be in LAW NOW! Take your toothbrush and some fresh socks your going to prison for this post! YARR
hehe Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: DeMundus Does that mean I can smacktalk americans in-game and if they talk back to me, in an non-pleasent way, I can sue them?
Only if they don't inform you of their identity. I believe, from now on, my first question in local will be: "OK, who lives in US? Lemme know your names or you'll get sued." ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide to use them) |
kessah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 10/01/2006 16:45:36
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:45:00 -
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thats hilarious!
Totally guna mess with the yanks on this one.
"Whats that... im a what?" "Whats your name please?"
"whats that? no you say?"
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: kessah thats hilarious!
Totally guna mess with the yanks on this one.
"Whats that... im a what?" "Whats your name please?"
"whats that? no you say?"
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:50:00 -
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I can see the court summary already.
"Mr. X, you are hearby charged with using the alias 'Corvus Dove' in activities defined by law as 'annoying' and in conflict with the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2006. The charges themselves are as follows:
1. Illegally annoying your fellow EVE-Online players on said service by depriving them of their simulated equipment in or around an in-environment location described as "P3E-NE" under above alias;
2. Depriving aforementioned players of positive gaming experience by damaging them in a manner that reversed the effects of time purchased with real money, known as "skill points", through an activity known as "podding";
3. Communicating with intent to harass under an alias through the following subsets: a. Offering to sell simulated equipment back to those from which it was taken; b. Offensive discussion in chat channels known as "smacktalk" or "smack"; c. Intentionally harassing fellow players on a racial basis (known as "macrohunting") under an alias;
4. Posting anonymously in online bulletin boards with intent to harass, known as "flaming";
5. Using an e-mail address that does not reflect your true identity to communicate argumentatively without an identifying signature showing your true name.
Persuant to these charges, you now face penalties that, combined, total to up to 10 years in prison and $100,000.00 in fines. "
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:53:00 -
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im sorry i cannot stop laughing...
i cant believe this guys in power... my god.
thought America is the land of the free?
Freedom of speech etc? this is obscene tbh... --------------------------------------------------------
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: kessah im sorry i cannot stop laughing...
i cant believe this guys in power... my god.
thought America is the land of the free?
Freedom of speech etc? this is obscene tbh...
It's actually unfortunate punditry on a bill that was designed to clarify VoIP. Before it, Voice over IP services classified as informational sources and were not subject to our telephone laws that restrict telemarketers and harassment. If a company or individual harassed someone constantly on the phone for days, but used VoIP to do it and an alias, it actually wasn't illegal.
This bill only applies to Voice over IP services, bringing them under the same restrictions as regular telephones. It doesn't affect bulletin boards or internet voice/textual communications, because that would require a complete rewrite and policy revision of all the laws governing cable internet services.
The writer is just an alarmist. Though yes, our country is going to hell in a handbasket, just the handbasket has a parachute. ------------------------------------ Join Channel MacroIntel! |
Merv Tring
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:33:00 -
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Keep letting the legislate your liberties away, for all I care. Your country'll be double-plus good yet. ---------------------------------- "Out ride the sons of Terra, Far Drives the thundring jet, Up leaps the race of Earthmen, Out, far, and onward yet-" |
Intak Atak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:40:00 -
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Thank god for that!
Americans are the most rude and annoying people online. Thanks to them I dont play xbox live anymore.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: kessah im sorry i cannot stop laughing...
i cant believe this guys in power... my god.
thought America is the land of the free?
Freedom of speech etc? this is obscene tbh...
First, understand the purpose of the bill. It merely brings Voice over IP in line with various telephone laws. As technology advances, laws need to keep up. This is reasonable.
Second...understand that it takes a lot more than one man wanting to "limit our freedoms" to pass legislation into law. This is just one more thing that the Bush-bashers can point to as a goof-up, and they're wrong because this can't be put at Bush's feet in any reasonable way.
If you want to hate the guy, cool. Just make sure you hate him for the right reasons, not because the media tells you to.
Garreck
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:50:00 -
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no no i hate him already, he's gota be the most stupid, powerful person in recent years? Hang on crap guna havta give him my name now...
Nah on a more serious note its just something that cannot be policed properly, but there he is playing the fear card again to stop you.
I must stress this is my "opinion" i just think bush is a Yes man and well i hate him :)
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 10/01/2006 17:53:41
Originally by: Intak Atak Thank god for that!
Americans are the most rude and annoying people online. Thanks to them I dont play xbox live anymore.
Also bud you really shouldnt Generalise, its down to the person not the race or a product of the social upbringing.
Also find it hilarious when certain american accents say "Dude WTF?!"
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 10/01/2006 18:05:25 haha, now i can not only get people banned but put in prison, after killing their ship too. Quality! ---- May the gods of piracy guide me to your belt... |
The Knight
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:19:00 -
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Its amazing how a thread like this can reveal how stupid and hateful some people are. I wish this thread would get moved to the appropriate forum so my curiousity won't compel me to read any further idiotic remarks. I always enjoyed politics being removed from EVE, since it is so pervasive in so many other games.
My corporation is made up of people from all over the world and thank God we have enough respect for each other to leave this crap out of our game.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:42:00 -
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...
You know, the word "freedom" once meant something in this country. I'm utterly sick of Congress and our idiot President passing unecessary laws and/or adding unneccessary riders to laws that are sure to be passed in the first place. Worse, when such a law is passed, they can't even get the language right - imagine if this were used for more than just the internet: the mere fact that someone sitting right next to me on a bus and breathing loudly might "annoy" me doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to continue breathing. Ambiguous language ftl.
/me beats his head against the desk -Wrayeth
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:00:00 -
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Man.
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
That said, this just radiates evil; excessive, cartoonish evil. This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Intak Atak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Intak Atak on 10/01/2006 19:04:19
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
Hows IRAQ workingout for you?
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Kemosabi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Intak Atak Edited by: Intak Atak on 10/01/2006 19:04:19
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
Hows IRAQ workingout for you?
It's working out good, especially for Iraqis. How's being a dumbarse working for you? |
Spathi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mira deVorsha
Originally by: Spathi
CCP are not a US company and have (as far as I am aware) no assets in the US, except maybe Kieron (thanks for the info EON v2). Therefore no US law could be enforced on them as long as the US and Iceland have no treaties.
Sorry but your wrong. In order to do business in the US you have to abide by various US laws. Its a bit of a pain tbh. For example you can't sell to the US and sell to restricted companies/countries/people that the US have outlawed. You can't for example also agree with an embargo in your country if the US doesn't allow that embargo.
There are a range of other rules. If they break them then they loose thier ability to sell in the US (at best) and maybe fines/jail time if entering the US (at worst).
For US law to apply to a business, that business must have a legal presence in the US. This usually means an office. As I said, I believe CCP have no such office or assets on US soil. While CCP are selling to US citizens, you are effectively buying an import with no CCP agent in the US. These imports do not class as a legal presence and as such do not make CCP subjected to US law. While the thing you buy must not fall foul of US law, it is up to the citizen to ensure they are within the law.
The only thing the US govt could do is ban citizens from buying from CCP if CCP choose not to co-operate. The US govt could also convict the CCP staff of obstruction of justice in absentia which would mean they would be arrested and jailed if they ever entered the US.
While the US govt may have a treaty with Iceland which help with these situations, most of the time the treaties are for very serious crimes and are there to speed up extradition. No government would spent the time and money trying to extradite a person from another country for what is a civil case.
Either way, CCP would probably co-operate with the request.
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Intak Atak
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kemosabi
It's working out good, especially for Iraqis.
I beg to differ.
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Loodo Viscious
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:45:00 -
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With the exception of a couple people here, you need to learn how to read and find information for yourself. Alot of people have made extremely stupid comments here and probably dont even know it. Politics has no place in my personal entertainment so thats all i am going to say.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 10/01/2006 21:31:30
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar This is BS, but it's true, unfortunately...
Being anonymously annoying online is now a Federal Crime
The law's going to get nullified as soon as someone goes to court because of it. I'm still amazing Affirmitive Action exists considering that one of the cases you learn about in ENTRY level law classes deals with a WHITE person using it to get into Law school (in michigan I think).
Personally, I could argue that I am using my real identity, as people who see my name here, and somewhere else, know it's the same person. As far as the internet goes, this is my name.
edit: The reason this law won't last is because it completel violates the first amendment, so I wouldn't worry about it too much people.
Originally by: Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal Edited by: Shai Faetal on 10/01/2006 07:24:35 Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act.
is that guy a feckin moron!?D.... oh wait nm.
did he or anyone else read ther damn thing before signing it ?
Did you? Voting down that bill would've ment no funding for the department of justice. It's an auto-pass move, they've been done alot in the past, and I don't recall people getting up in arms when Clinton signed a wetlands act which stated something along the lines of: "It is a felony to demolish a standing body of water with any signs of life or substantial oxygen producing algae."
Originally by: Oveur I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 10/01/2006 21:47:57
Originally by: Intak Atak Thank god for that!
Americans are the most rude and annoying people online. Thanks to them I dont play xbox live anymore.
I see you've never met an Estonian... EVER.
Generalization is bad.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Man.
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
That said, this just radiates evil; excessive, cartoonish evil. This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
That's sig worthy right there.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:06:00 -
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Just for perspective, did the UK get around to making it a crime to lie about your age online?
(You know why they were going to do it, it does make sense, but it's funny even so)
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:11:00 -
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clearic
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rasitiln This law will never actually be used. Its like speed limits on the highway.
ditto
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Serathis Rendako
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:41:00 -
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you people really should read things more closely, 1. bush has nothing to do with the creation of this bill so stop calling him a moron it is you in fact who is stupid for blaming him 2. stop saying that he can veto it, in case you didnt know the senate and house can bypass a presidential veto with a 75% vote, also the little part thats gots yall panties up in a wad is called a rider, its an amendment to a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with the main part of the bill and this bill in particular has MANY of these riders some which are very important therefore if bush was to veto he would come under heavy fire by both wings 3. its not a violation of speech you dumb bastards you can still say whatever the hell you want just has to be under your OWN name.
good god if your gonna live here atleast know how the goverment works
p.s: if anyone has already said any of this excuse me i only read the first page of replies
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:08:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Failin Zhar on 11/01/2006 00:13:01
Originally by: Tachy I'd laugh if such laws were only passed that side of all the oceans, but alas, there are even politicians trying to close the internet between 2300 and 0700 in central Europe.
Are you kidding? I hope it wasn't in my old vaterland Hungary. If it was I'll shed a tear before going to bed today ;)
I think the new law in the US shows us, very clearly, that some governements are oversized and that it's political elite is bored and thus conjure up really, really dumb laws to pass. The guy who set the whole law in motion deserves to get a few dozens of turbolax' shot up his ass after being force fed 9 pizzas and a few small-ish rodents.
Or I might say "that's republicans for you" but I won't. It might irritate one of the republican types. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:30:00 -
[84]
For those of you who are not American (and some of you who are), this is pretty normal. These kinds of things tacked on to bills happen all the time. Like a previous poster said, they're called "riders", and the only way to get them into law is to tack them onto something else which is a "must pass" because they're too stupid or illegal to pass the legislature on their own merit. This one, like so many before it, will be immediately struck down by the courts as soon as someone challenges it, usually within weeks of it's passing. There are too many organizations in this country that exist specifically to kill things like this and defend the Bill of Rights. Even the polititians who write these things know that they won't stick. They only do it to cater to their constituents or special interests.
It politics as usual. Nothing to worry about.
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vile56
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:32:00 -
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bush is a****
im simon
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Ideaus
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:29:00 -
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ok, enough hate mail at bush and the "stupid" american legeslators. did anyone in this post actually read the text in the section in question?
just so that you know whats actually happening and not what all the hype is about, heres what it says.
-STALKERS (yes, this section is about stoping stalking) cannot use any means of interstate, ambibuous and/or anonomous means of watching or harassing a person or persons.
-all of the internet means mentioned are explained so that a stalker or repeat harasser cannot use new technology or means to harass a person.
- repeat offenders will be put in jail for a really long time.
...now, does this sound like you will be arrested for typing an e-mail that was taken badly? or that Bush is trying to destroy all public speech? Im not trying to be condescending here, but im a little tired of all the hype and anger over a mis-read section in a long bill that was instituted at the same time as a lot of other big bills.
- oh, and the section only comes into effect if the person is trying to "kill, injure, harass, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person in another State or tribal jurisdiction"
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SHINJI AKARI
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: SHINJI AKARI on 11/01/2006 01:43:13 Im the biggest Bush supporter in the world, and even I will admit that this is just ridiculous.
I will be emailing my representatives complaining about this.
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Xauxau
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xauxau on 11/01/2006 01:48:18
Quote: This bill only applies to Voice over IP services, bringing them under the same restrictions as regular telephones. It doesn't affect bulletin boards or internet voice/textual communications, because that would require a complete rewrite and policy revision of all the laws governing cable internet services.
The intent of the new law's authors was to make sure that obscene & harassing phonecalls (illegal for many years already) were still illegal if placed via a VOIP service, rather than via a traditional POTS line.
Unfortunately, the statute on its face applies to ALL communication via the internet, not just the one-to-one format of a telephone call.
My guess is that it will probably be swiftly amended, and if not, tossed out by SCOTUS the first time an imaginative prosecutor or plaintiff tries to use it. For a more detailed writeup, go to
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_01_08-2006_01_14.shtml#1136923654
The people who blog on Volokh are attorneys and law professors, and know what they are talking about.
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Womble God
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:49:00 -
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I have to admit that some of the laws I have heard of in the states do strike me as being dumb, som as being limiting but I honestly cannot see the problem with this one. If you have something to say online, you shouldnt be afraid to use your real name, unless of course you are attempting to stir up racial hatred or you are stalking someone. Freedom of speech isnt affected, it cannot be applied to things like eve or even forums as far as i can tell so i dont know what everyone is getting so wound up about. If any of what I have said is wrong please feel free to tell me. Oh and by the way, George Bush junior is a complete and utter ****, as is the prime minister of england. I am english btw and my real name is mike.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:02:00 -
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There are several problems with using your real name online. The first is personal safety, for obvious reasons, the second is identity theft. I don't know how common the latter is in other countries, but there are a LOT of criminals in the U.S. who like to steal others' identities for nefarious purposes (everything from fraud to theft to framing someone for a crime). -Wrayeth
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Kayl Breinhar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:47:00 -
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Okay, number one:
This was not posted with politics in mind. Everyone else MADE it political by bringing up the owner of the hand who signed the bill with this provision attached. It was posted in the Crime and Punishment forum only because:
A) Bounty Hunting and PvPers would most likely congregate here, which is by far the #1 source of non-NPC/Dev annoyance in-game in EVE.
B) It's a law - I'm quirky like that. Crime...punishment...seemed appropo.
Number two:
Not everything you read online is a personal affront to your value system, political neutrality (with respect to weights to either side of the proverbial "fence"), or beliefs. I'm pre-law, so I'm well aware that this law is BS (which is what I meant when I said "This is BS" first-thing in the thread).
Simply put, the sheer ammunition you'd need to make even a case of online harassment go to even a HEARING would be astronomical.
Number three:
It's explosive reactionary responses like this that are making it almost required nowadays that if you don't want a flaming virtual horse's head placed in your virtual bed, you have to put a goddamned disclaimer on every post you write from now on.
Learn to lighten the hell up.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian I'm moving to Norway... The USA is goin to Hell in a Handbasket!
Thats some scarry stuff...
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Szabo
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:08:00 -
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Okay, I'm no lawyer, but according to what I have read, this should suffice everytime I enter into local:
Pursuant to United States of America Federal Law: Being known as the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act: Under Section 113
I am required, to remain in compliance of the law, to inform you that my name is Dave. And I intend to annoy you. This annoyance can come in the form of something I may say and/or something I may do. For instance some people may find it annoying if I refer to them as a "nub" or some people may find it annoying that I blow up their ship, or even to be target locked.
Be assured that now I have discharged my obligation under the law, that such annoyance may or may not be forthcoming at my discretion.
Stupid American Laws FTW!
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:46:00 -
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I looked at the thread title for a bit and I was convinced it said 'Amarrians lawfully required to be nice online from now on....'
I thought CONCORD had finally got its bum in gear but obviously not.
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:55:00 -
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Europe > US
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:57:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 10/01/2006 21:47:57
Originally by: Intak Atak Thank god for that!
Americans are the most rude and annoying people online. Thanks to them I dont play xbox live anymore.
I see you've never met an Estonian... EVER.
Generalization is bad.
I take this as an racist insult
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Merv Tring Keep letting the legislate your liberties away, for all I care. Your country'll be double-plus good yet.
George Orwell ftw. Well done that sir.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 10:46:00 -
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First off, Bush did not write this. He did not vote for it.
Second, its not internet, its VoIP, read it first.
Third, some of you people surprise me with your generalization and hatefulness.
Fourth, since this has gone political, how come it has not been locked? Where is Miss Eris now? This is political and has turned into an America/Bush bash fest. _______________________________________________
If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.11 11:13:00 -
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Quote:
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
I propose CCP start implementing this law into Eve as well. Ther risk of facing prosecution for facilitating a crime is quite considerable here...
So, everyone, from now on: POST WITH YOUR MAIN _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.01.11 11:18:00 -
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I think that ALL US citizens should have a law against everything they want to say or do and be requiered to get lincences for everything that they say or do in case they ever want to say or do anything to anyone anywhere at anytime ever.
This would sort out the whole ambiguity situation and then they would all know where they stood.
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.01.11 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Mattar You know, you are all getting stupid over Bush signing this law.
Ted Kennedy wrote it. Just like Ted Kennedy wrote No Child Left Behind that all the lefties seem to hate.
You really need to pay more attention to your congressmen, they are in power a lot longer than any president can be. And their ability to come up with stupid laws far outdistances your ability to do much about it whining here.
Quoting this for good advice.
Also why is this in crime and punishment? Gas plz.
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Kemosabi
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Posted - 2006.01.11 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Intak Atak
Originally by: Kemosabi
It's working out good, especially for Iraqis.
I beg to differ.
Oh I'm not surprised, you sound like every other dumbarse I've ever met who speaks about something they appear to be totally ill-informed about or centered on from a bias viewpoint. That's why I rarely give two craps what people like you have to say.
Insisting post ****** Iraq is worse off than when ****** was in power and the UN was using a UN faction nosferatu (oil for terror scandal) to suck the life the life out of everyday Iraqis?
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Adoran Wa'alle
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Posted - 2006.01.11 12:39:00 -
[103]
Back on the original topic, for everyone complaining, there's lots of room in Norway
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Kemosabi
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Posted - 2006.01.11 12:55:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle Back on the original topic, for everyone complaining, there's lots of room in Norway
Yeah but, the Viking threat is always a major concern. Pirates are one thing, but those Vikings will cut off your head and wear it as a hat ornament.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:30:00 -
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/me stops petitioning and starts suing.
I will sue ASCN all the way to prison
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:55:00 -
[106]
meh. Reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes comic I once read.
"The law is on the cards, but it would take all of their resources to enforce it." , or something to that effect. Nothing is going to come of this. -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour. |
Darwin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Mattar You know, you are all getting stupid over Bush signing this law.
Ted Kennedy wrote it. Just like Ted Kennedy wrote No Child Left Behind that all the lefties seem to hate.
You really need to pay more attention to your congressmen, they are in power a lot longer than any president can be. And their ability to come up with stupid laws far outdistances your ability to do much about it whining here.
Iam not a Rep or Dem. But Karl is right this is a Ted Kennedy law (Democrat). So you might want to get your facts stright. BTW it is a very stupid law. Welcome to big government. And IF you think moving to a differnt land with even bigger Goverment is going to help more power to ya
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Athanasios Anastasiou
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:50:00 -
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I am amazed by the ammount of blind hate in this topic by individuals who claim to be 'mature.'
Know how the polictical process in America works. Bills like this pass all the time. The law will not be legally applied. The politicans who wrote them know they will not stick. They to it to garner more publicity, thats all.
Let me repeat this again: politicians do not expect bills like this to have any legal effect whatsoever. There are more than enough government watchdogs in America to shoot this bill dead the second somebody tries to use it.
Let's remember that this is the media we are talking about. They will try to spin it as irratative as possible in order to garner interest, and ysome people are actually believing him. Makes me sad . It's ironic that the same people who believe Americans to be ignorant are talking about things that they do not have a clue about. Please don't do this, it make syou look dumb.
Lastly, dislike a person because what what they did not what you assume them to do because of your blind hate towards them. There is enough hate in the world, please don't contribute anymore.
Just my 0.02 isks.
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Inturist
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:02:00 -
[109]
LOL , that's the ******* law i've ever heard
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Adoran Wa'alle
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:11:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Kemosabi
Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle Back on the original topic, for everyone complaining, there's lots of room in Norway
Yeah but, the Viking threat is always a major concern. Pirates are one thing, but those Vikings will cut off your head and wear it as a hat ornament.
*hides axe*
Don't worry. There's no vikings here (we really should get a viking smiley )
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Scerth
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:22:00 -
[111]
Hahaha... gogo Team America .
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2006.01.11 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kresh Vladir on 11/01/2006 18:09:03
Originally by: Drusty p.s does anyone know when his term is up?
jan 20th 2008
2 days before i turn 18 woot!
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BALR0G
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Posted - 2006.01.11 18:29:00 -
[113]
Is this a game forum or a political forum?
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dak Hakin This is political and has turned into an America/Bush bash fest.
::shudders::
Please don't combine the concept of Americans with the concept of George Bush. The majority of us think Bush sucks (see opinion polls), just remember it's the loud and irritating minority that usually shapes knee-jerk opinions among those not in our borders.
Our political fractions can be summed up as follows:
Bush-supporting Republicans = Moderate Republicans = + Hardcore Democrats = Socialists = Naderites = The rest of us = +++
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Flyer11
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:39:00 -
[115]
LMAO!!!!!
you guys acctually elected this guy back and look what he gives you, go to jail do not pass go do not collect 200isk lmao.. no more smacktalking for you guys
god american polotics are a joke infact bush should resign and become a comedian, he would be great at all the stupid idea's he comes out with
oh and seen as im not a yank, i dont have to sign my name but i will anyway
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: Dak Hakin This is political and has turned into an America/Bush bash fest.
::shudders::
Please don't combine the concept of Americans with the concept of George Bush. The majority of us think Bush sucks (see opinion polls), just remember it's the loud and irritating minority that usually shapes knee-jerk opinions among those not in our borders.
Our political fractions can be summed up as follows:
Bush-supporting Republicans = Moderate Republicans = + Hardcore Democrats = Socialists = Naderites = The rest of us = +++
Opinions polls don't mean squat, elections count where I live, which happens to be a democracy.
Maybe in your make-believe world those things like biased opinion polls are important, but then again you seem arrogant enough to try and speak for other people.
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das licht
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:13:00 -
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See it that way: Bush cares about his people and he wants them to love each other.
eof
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:34:00 -
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Its all Clintons fault.
George is just left to clean it all up. And the sad thing is, just as he gets done someone like Hillary will waltz in and we all have had it...
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:47:00 -
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ZOMG oppression in the UK!!!
It's very easy to find news, make alarmist comments, and sling mud. Eve-online is not a place to stir up political debate...it's an escapism from such realities. Think it's time to let this thread die.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Its all Clintons fault.
George is just left to clean it all up. And the sad thing is, just as he gets done someone like Hillary will waltz in and we all have had it...
Yep, freedom is a grave threat to our country and must be quenched through every way possible.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: ZedLey
Europe > US
LOL
You say that now that the USSR is gone...
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.11 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Kaaii
Its all Clintons fault.
George is just left to clean it all up. And the sad thing is, just as he gets done someone like Hillary will waltz in and we all have had it...
Yep, freedom is a grave threat to our country and must be quenched through every way possible.
You mean the kind of freedom that comes from selling the San Diego Naval base to the Chinese, that kind of freedom?
Or was it the freedom to ignore NSA's repeated request to extradite Bin Laden from the Saudias when they offered him to us while he was in thier custody.
this list goes on,
But, every country in the world has had its share of bonehead leaders. Most have never ever had to make the kinds of (hard)decisions that goes against the grain of the general populace. The problem is most of the countries populations has little more to consider than, "Is there a roof over my head, is my family safe and do i have enough to eat today." America has its share of problems, but travel outside the US and you will find a good proportition of its citizens sill worring about those three needs.
Here, you have the freedom to question your freedom, while you surf the net, play games, go to your job, come home, kiss the wife and kids, have a hot meal and sleep safe and sound.
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Der Sterber
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:48:00 -
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what?, let me finish my donut.
i need a handburger.
oh wait something in the forums it must be some fa*et that dosnt know how to spell 37737
what?, oh great talking to my self again.
POSTER NAME: BUSH.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.01.11 22:57:00 -
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Cool.........
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Lunaticdie04
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Posted - 2006.01.11 23:02:00 -
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So the Americans got nerfed then? And to think there was someone on here a few days ago saying how his country (America) was better than China because they have freedom of speech and aren't communist etc.
Pwned.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.01.12 04:54:00 -
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Well, I would still rather live here in America. Since those of us that live here actually know what its like and dont have to speculate about it.
I guess I could pretend I know everything about England or Norway, but why do I really care?
Oh, and since the forum mods are gonna let the bashing continue, despite most of these posts breaking forum rules, I wanna bash someone...
STUPID SOUTH AMERICANS! Their whole government is dealing coke and stuff, man, I am teh smart. _______________________________________________
If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
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Posted - 2006.01.12 05:13:00 -
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Hows this an e-noyance for GWB jr. Your imperial dicator facscist pig how dare you try to silence my opinions and my attempts and creating meaningful and memorable conversations
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.12 05:27:00 -
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Up to 2 years in Jail for not using your real name on the NET......
Well the USA is slowly but steadily going to hell in a handbasket.
Bush's anti privacy laws, and his Nationalistic agenda, is beginning to remind me, of the situation in europe before WW2. One should think that we have evolved since then, but alas historie is a stern teacher, and the lesson is, we tend to repeat our failures over and over again.
And the US. goverment claims to be the torch and leadership of the "Free World", ironic isnt it
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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 05:52:00 -
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Yea yea america is evil etc. However, im concerned. When in local i call the guy who craters my hauler an asshat, he doesnt know who i really am. So effectivly, i could be hauled off to jail. RIP Smack in local :(
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Removal Tool
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:11:00 -
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U.S. History is now only "approved by the Bush Administration" to be taught from the Civil War on now......OMFG let me count the ways that is freaking backwards....
My thoughts: (and I am a political moderate who has never wanted to own a weapon, for the record)
1st point: Mainly it robs American Youth of ever knowing about the Founding Fathers, and the Ideals that the USA was founded on.....why?.....so that it won't be apparent that the USA has become what it's Founders rebelled against in the first place.
Oh, and Ideals? Mention to most Americans (I am one BTW) the word Ideals and watch them laugh at you like you are stupid. That's how insidious corruption is now.
Second thing......Fascism: Oh it' alive and well here in the USA especially since the 911 attacks. When I was a kid (40 now ((Your never too old to rock n roll, if you're too young to die)) I estimated that the US government would let things get to a point to where it's citizens would give up all sorts of rights in order to "be safe". And here we are!
So often on right wing FOX news you here it said "well you shouldn't mind having your every move watched and listened to if you are not doing anything wrong"!!! And yeah these idiots never read Big Brother or Animal Farm!
And the USA is so damned big, stupid, and under-educated (by design) that most of it's populace doesn't see the similarity between pre WWII Europe (as mentioned in the previous post) and the current political climate.
And lastely(sp?) Education: Why would a Nation let it's public school system founder so that only the rich families that can afford to send their children to private schools have a chance at a decent education?.........hmmmm?.....Everbody say it with me: Social Stratification, to eliminate the middle class and therefore competition for the next generation of rich youth from retaining their position in society.
Here's my Dream ticket for 2008: Chuck D and Zach de la Rocha! But then of course they'd be shot by the Dallas Police in about 30 seconds, right?
"Yes I know my enemies TheyÆre the teachers who taught me to fight me Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite All of which are american dreams All of which are american dreams"
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Removal Tool U.S. History is now only "approved by the Bush Administration" to be taught from the Civil War on now......OMFG let me count the ways that is freaking backwards....
where the hell did you read that? theonion? ffs not everything you read on the internet is true, and there is no way I believe that. _______________________________________________
If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
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Removal Tool
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:42:00 -
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With "No child left behind" only some textbooks have been approved for teaching. But I'm not suprised by your dis-belief. Just don't let it become denial.
And also look into the recent abuse of eminent domain.
You'll sh*t yourself I assure you! It ain't pretty.
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2006.01.12 07:16:00 -
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