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Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:10:00 -
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I play EVE to have fun and because its beautiful to look at. I keep one simple rule for myself:
"if this isnt fun, stop"
so naturally I rarely play missions, solo mine, haul in high sec, etc. If i need ISK to fund an activity that isnt self-supporting, ill choose one of the many many ways to have fun while still making money. How does a person justify, or make sense of, the time they spend not having fun? Do we behave similarly when engaging with other forms of entertainment?
Im wondering all this because, until recently, I assumed that everyone behaved like me. That solo-miners must genuinely be having a good time, that freighters were being piloted by happy EVE players! Now over the few weeks ive spent on these forums ive heard so many folks say they are going to start/stop a particular activity based on the rewards given for it. This to me, means that people are actually out there, spending time IN-GAME not having fun...so they can save up enough ISK to have fun later. Is this a design flaw, or is it delusional behavior on the part of the player?
another thought:
why do EVE forum members constantly request increased rewards for doing things? Is it just a misunderstanding of how fake (aka controlled) economies work? Or is it a broader misunderstanding of the concept of inflation?
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Enthropic
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:16:00 -
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oh look, a philosopher! :)
j/k, I dont personally think its a design flaw. I kinda like the concept. You do something in Eve, such as PvE, mining, whatever, to generate income. This income ideally is then spent on things that allow you to have fun, or to work towards a goal. Such as, buying ships for PvP, working towards a super (which you will then realize its no fun to fly heh).
Why should the way towards that be tedious? (well ideally its not tedious, but heh, in Eve, it is) Because it adds meaning to your achievement!
For me, the main reason why Eve is so good is because everything you do, or others do to you, has a meaning. Losing your super, or your shiny mach does have a meaning. Blowing someone else up has a meaning, not because you have one kill more, but because you most likely took something from someone else, that had a meaning to them. |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:19:00 -
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I enjoy mining all alone in hi-sec..... *twitches* |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:24:00 -
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Eve forum members want more rewards for the same reasons all MMO forums are full of requests for buffs to their own class/ship/playstyle and nerfs to others. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:25:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Eve forum members want more rewards for the same reasons all MMO forums are full of requests for buffs to their own class/ship/playstyle and nerfs to others.
A big truth, written casually. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:29:00 -
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My reward is separating the foolish, the meek and the "entitled" ( far be it from me to discriminate ) from their ISK.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
TheBlueMonkey
Veldspar Industries Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:44:00 -
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A lot or people don't realise that it's a better use of their time to buy and sell a plex than it is for them to sit any mine at 20mil an hour.
Others actually enjoy it, so, egh, whatever floats their boat. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3269
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:54:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:A lot or people don't realise that it's a better use of their time to buy and sell a plex than it is for them to sit any mine at 20mil an hour.
This assumes one can just go sit down for 2 hours and earn their hourly rate any time they feel like it and then go spend it on a plex. Most people's jobs don't work that way.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Annie Moennan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.12 12:12:00 -
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Fun is subjective.
people who complain about not having fun are likely having fun complaining about it |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
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Posted - 2013.09.12 12:34:00 -
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Enjoying Eve?
Preposterous! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Enthropic
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.09.12 12:37:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Enthropic wrote:Blowing someone else up has a meaning, not because you have one kill more, but because you most likely took something from someone else, that had a meaning to them. That's the ideal, problem is, there is a growing group of players on which the latter does no longer apply... that's when the concept starts to fall flat on it's face... but that's the same in every capitalist society, so it is expected.
keep in mind, the fact that losses have meaning is not necessarily tied to hefty ISK losses. Say you lose a PvP ship, and your loss is fully covered by SRP, so in the end, you personally dont lose much ISK, however your loss is still meaningful. Simply because you now miss out on the rest of the fun..and wont be able to simply rejoin the fight. Or you were solo roaming and had to travel 20 systems to find your targets.. annoying. So its not just an ISK loss its also a loss of time and opportunity.
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RomeStar
Dust Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.12 12:43:00 -
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I am currently on a burnout with EVE right now I log to check buy/sell orders and the occasional mining if needed but most of the time I am playing other games (Rome 2 is a blast) while eve is open. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
700
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Posted - 2013.09.13 23:07:00 -
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Well, you kinda went through some tedium to get something. By the sweat of your brow etcetera. Ever played Bioshock? Anyway, I'm drifing off. But yes, since Eve is a knowledge game and not a twitch game, it entices you to come up with plans to convert effort into PVP assets as efficiently as possible. As your experience grows it becomes easier to accumulate a given amount of ISK, at least to the intelligent, observant player. Maybe even more important is the ability to not lose it in a dumb way. This does include risk, however. You don't get to live an easier life unless you shape those conditions yourself, by force if necessary. And by yourself I mean you and your corp- and alliance mates, as teaming up is mandatory to achieve larger objectives that ultimately translate in easier, safer income generation.
Ciaphas Cyne wrote:why do EVE forum members constantly request increased rewards for doing things? Is it just a misunderstanding of how fake (aka controlled) economies work? Or is it a broader misunderstanding of the concept of inflation?
I'd guess a bit of both, but also the inability to tap into more convenient income streams. Say you are in a large alliance. People have POS, need fuel, and that one dude keeps losing the same type of ship. You can strike some deals here. Sure, you could make more ISK if you sold your stuff at a competative price. But in my experience the effort and wait time involved in trade is not worth giving up the market velocity you can achieve filling actual demand. Balance is key off course but you get the idea.
Example. I buy fuel from this dude. It gets jetted at the POS on request and I just fork over ISK because we have a history of fair deals. I don't have to haul and it's even cheaper! Meanwhile the solo-corp-tax-haven-CEO is toiling to fuel his hungry POS. Such a player runs increased risks on top, as the more organized corps have more free time and fast ISK to PVP. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2013.09.13 23:40:00 -
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The trouble with your thinking is, the answer for most players is to go play something else. That's not good for EVE and while players are bored, they don't want EVE to fail, crash and burn.
It doesn't matter what you do, Mine, mission, PvP or explore. Do it long enough you burn out. I'm seeing a lot of burn out in EVE. It fades in time and for the sake of the game I hope it does again. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
190
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:16:00 -
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switch it up is my advice. mining is a background activity if you do it in backwater systems but it's not good ISK/hr. missions are repetitive and boring. low sec/null/wh activities require concentration and patience.
maybe this game is really for people who want to scam and steal because the PvE is quickly boring. that said, i don't need much for my occasional pubbie fleet ups and if eve ever annoys or depresses me i just checkmy skill queues and log out. freelance space bum |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
514
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:48:00 -
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Personally, reward has nothing to do with what I do in game. I do what I think is enjoyable.
I could be making more money doing other activities, but I find those things more boring so I don't do them. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Forsak3n.
463
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:15:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:A lot or people don't realise that it's a better use of their time to buy and sell a plex than it is for them to sit any mine at 20mil an hour.
Others actually enjoy it, so, egh, whatever floats their boat.
I would quite enjoy 20M an hour right now I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
Twylla
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:44:00 -
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Nulsec became too much of a job than a game. PvP'ing in general became cost-prohibitive for an off-TZ, limited playtime schedule that leaves me solo more often than not.
And that's why I'm now retired. 85 million skill points, bumming around highsec in a catalyst doing level 1 missions.
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Jim Era
7528
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:54:00 -
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Ok, you all fell for it, everyone in this thread must donate 20m ISK to the bounty on me for posting. That is my reward, do it if you dare....or are you all too scared? I might wardec you, or destroy you alliance from the inside.... |
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