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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:33:00 -
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Quote: Ok. That is not too bad an example. But is that true of all 160 systems you claim? Must you police it all with an iron fist? Kill everyone even if its obvious he is not a spy or is not taking resources your alliance is actually going to tap into before they replinish thesmevles after he took a tiny share? If you must pass through A, B and C to get to D, where you refine your crokite, then systems A B and C (as well as D, of course) and possibly some surrounding systems should be "no fly zones".
I admit your example had some good points however. But this again, this sub-issue we are on is not the core of the actual topic of the thread. Not to say it is not beneficial. ---
yes becaue it would be to hard to police the neutrals once their in our space. unless the mechanics of the game change to make it easier to do this..it will always be simpler for the alliance to kill neutrals, hence neutrals will always be KOS...most alliances will allow you in their space if you contact them first for standings..usualy on the agreement you help to defend against a attack (you dont get anything for nothing)
and tbh people pvp in groups because its more fun and one of the reason i play eve..if i want to fight solo ill go and play a single player game. i want the group action so i play eve. _____
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Calshir
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Guntaro
Originally by: Calshir You could be a spy for an enemy alliance scouting ahead for them, giving them vital information about numbers and types of ships, they just don';t know and in war it's a case of shoot first and sod the questions.
Sorry but the 'spy' excuse is the most worn out and lame excuse there is. I just don't believe that for one second and neither should any other player with an ounce of intelligence.
1 case in 10 does not justify it as a rule. Just admit it is ganking purely out of enjoyment and preseve what shred of dignity is left.
Sure so the alliance pays out boat loads of isk to take over a region of space then they should just let anyone that fancies it just fly around and reap all the benifits for none of the outlay ... you wanna fly in alliance owned space try approaching that alliance and asking them if it's ok first 9 times out of 10 they will say yes and set standings accordingly thus eliminating the problem.
Think about it and act accordingly
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: Kager o I'll have to agree with one thing though, is the the high risk of loss that occurs with any death over a t1 cruiser or frig tends to have most people circling the wagons and hiding amongst larger crowds.
No matter how you look at it that way, going for larger numbers makes you a wuss.
I've only see a handful of people successfully fight small numbers vs large (even if they do lose), and hats off to them for using their brains instead of the "EVERYONE GANG UP!!! ONE HOSTILE IN LOCAL" card.
I don't need to list names, if your a real pvper you know who you are.
You have a good attitude. Wanna join my corp?
I think anyone who has read this thread won't even consider joining your corp, at least while you are in it.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
yes becaue it would be to hard to police the neutrals once their in our space. unless the mechanics of the game change to make it easier to do this..it will always be simpler for the alliance to kill neutrals, hence neutrals will always be KOS...most alliances will allow you in their space if you contact them first for standings..usualy on the agreement you help to defend against a attack (you dont get anything for nothing)
and tbh people pvp in groups because its more fun and one of the reason i play eve..if i want to fight solo ill go and play a single player game. i want the group action so i play eve.
First paragraph is OK.
But the second is just "good sounding" words. You can do group pvp in EVE and not be a pathetic no skill loser. You can go solo and still be a coward. Group pvp is not inherently "wrong." It just happens to be where you will find the most losers. ESP when it's group VS outnumbered non-combatants, no negotiation and no REAL reason WHY they must all be destroyed without a word except the gleeful sounds and monkey noises undoubtedly heard in on pvp fleets TS server.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 07:39:33
Originally by: Montero
Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: twit brent
Hmm thats funny I cant realy think of any reason for a neutrel being in our space besides spying and trying to gank something.
You have a limited imagination.
if you're in someones space you ARE either spying, killing or using resources which you dont control. as such you WILL get hunted.
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Gotta love that SoupNa-zi attitute.
(technically I bypassed the filter but how I used that word really should not offend anyone) ---
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H Do you think that it is possible for a person to post, not because something bad just happened to them, but because they believe what they are posting is true?
not when you post something like this. you make it obvious by saying it has been 2months since your last ship loss, so one doesn't need a degree to figure you just reset your 'got owned' timer.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 07:39:33
Originally by: Montero
Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: twit brent
Hmm thats funny I cant realy think of any reason for a neutrel being in our space besides spying and trying to gank something.
You have a limited imagination.
if you're in someones space you ARE either spying, killing or using resources which you dont control. as such you WILL get hunted.
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Gotta love that SoupNa-zi attitute.
(technically I bypassed the filter but how I used that word really should not offend anyone)
Exactly what's wrong with that?
Either you have never lived in 0.0 or you have and are clueless.
Stop while you are behind.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Calshir
Sure so the alliance pays out boat loads of isk to take over a region of space then they should just let anyone that fancies it just fly around and reap all the benifits for none of the outlay ... you wanna fly in alliance owned space try approaching that alliance and asking them if it's ok first 9 times out of 10 they will say yes and set standings accordingly thus eliminating the problem.
If that "9 times out of 10" statistic was true, and the alliances also had a policy of not **instantly** killing every single non-blue they come across, I would have no complaints. Great minds think alike. ---
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darkdashing
Originally by: WolfGang H Do you think that it is possible for a person to post, not because something bad just happened to them, but because they believe what they are posting is true?
not when you post something like this. you make it obvious by saying it has been 2months since your last ship loss, so one doesn't need a degree to figure you just reset your 'got owned' timer.
I dont know what you just tried to say. Please clarify. ---
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:47:00 -
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I am seeing the truth is hitting too close to home to some of this threads most vigourous critics. Respect was given where deserved and stupidity was quite mercifully repaid with cold reality. I believe my work is done here. Good night everyone. ---
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Calshir
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: Calshir
Sure so the alliance pays out boat loads of isk to take over a region of space then they should just let anyone that fancies it just fly around and reap all the benifits for none of the outlay ... you wanna fly in alliance owned space try approaching that alliance and asking them if it's ok first 9 times out of 10 they will say yes and set standings accordingly thus eliminating the problem.
If that "9 times out of 10" statistic was true, and the alliances also had a policy of not **instantly** killing every single non-blue they come across, I would have no complaints. Great minds think alike.
But how else can an alliance safely and effectively protect it's interests without having a N.B.K.I policy .... how do they tell who is legitimately just after some nice rats / roids whatever, and who are actively seeking inteligence / weaknesses for another alliance ?
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THE CLONE
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:57:00 -
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I have to agree there are plenty of idiots out there playing eve, however I cannot agree that those in alliances defending their space can be included in that. The idiots are those that kill & pod for no particular reason.
As it's already been stated an alliance puts a lot of time, effort, risk and isk into claiming and holding an area of space. By holding they are claiming all assets as their own - this includes all npc kills and minerals in belts. If someone wants access to these resources they have to ask for permission first.
It is by ruling with an iron fist that we manage to make that area of space safe for our members. I can guarantee if this wasn't done another alliance would soon take advantage!
Ultimatly we all have to go through a learning curve of playing this game and sometimes it can be painfull and expensive. In order to be safe you need to know you facts, and have the right setup for whatever task you are carrying out.
We have all lost ships, don't blame genuine PVPers for your mistakes, and don't thow all pvpers into one big Cowards pool
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno Edited by: dantes inferno on 11/01/2006 07:12:57 ok reasons for killing non alliance members in alliance space for idiots
1) possiblity of been a spy 2) possiblity of making BM's for enemy alliance 3) chaining in your space - could end up getting one of the rare officer spawns. why should some one who puts no effort or isk/time into making the space as secure as possibly reap the benefits of the work done by alliance members 4) mining in alliance space - same reason as 3 5) possiblity of fiering on alliance members - why let an unkown into your space who may attack you?
I would like to add the real and ultimate reason,
6) No accountability, no security hit.
Parading around in Empire space with your nice +4 or higher security ratings like you are such a 'good guy', maybe bad mouthing Empire pirates and perhaps even getting anti-pie corp protection while in Empire.
Oops turn the corner and now in 0.0 space with no accountability and out comes the true ax murderers ganking the same players you just shared Empire space with moments ago without a second thought and then giving the party line 'spy' excuse.
I can think of no lower gutless hypocrits. At least Empire pirates have the balls to take the security hits.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:02:00 -
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I guess if EVE PvPers are cowards that makes everyone in the game that doesnt only do solo agent missions a coward now doesnt it?? Better yet that makes everyone cowards.
And if you go spouting off crap about how industrialists and miners and everyone else arent pvpers take a good look at the economy. Thats PvP too. So unless your whole point in the game is to shoot rats and mission ***** then your about the only one not doing PvP. But wait lemme see your either buying or selling stuff on the open market or escrow so your still affecting other players and participating in PvP. Sorry to disapoint you but PvP isnt just going 1v1 or 40v40 or any number in between...
Basically your title of your thread adresses all of EVE including yourself as a coward.
Not only that but ransoming is only a reason to pick on people smaller than yourself. That makes you a real big person in EVE that you have to ransom some poor industrialist in a hauler... (Thats the modified form of PvP so commenly called PIRACY. ) As far as i know about other MMOs there isnt really risk involved in PvP because you can just go back to your corpse and pick up your stuff you lost.. EVE you lose its gone... No refunds here.
Another large hole in your arguement if you want to play solo go play a FPS. Its an MMO. MMO = Massively multiplayer Online... Means were supposed to play with other people. And that was a beauty of a time when we had more than 100+ on each side and we could fight without too much lag. Im sure those who fought for more than 4 hours in a single engagement would agree.
WolfGang can think his version of PvP is fun while everyone else can think theirs is just as fun. Bit it does sound like youve been ganked one to many times by a group of interceptors.
Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:15:00 -
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eve has a real sense of loss in PvP - you don't just respawn with a little bit of durability loss (repairable) on your sword of wtfpwnage +3.
and as long as people stand to lose something, they will be cowardly.
to deal with that, there are only 2 things to do:
- Remove the sense of loss
- or change human nature
i think ii is beyond you, and i would ruin the game for me, so i think i;d rather stick where we are now, cowardice or not.
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Kager o
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:23:00 -
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Quote: And if you go spouting off crap about how industrialists and miners and everyone else arent pvpers take a good look at the economy. Thats PvP too.
Where can I sign up to pilot a rock please? Oh wait, nevermind I already fly a typhoon.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kager o
Quote: And if you go spouting off crap about how industrialists and miners and everyone else arent pvpers take a good look at the economy. Thats PvP too.
Where can I sign up to pilot a rock please? Oh wait, nevermind I already fly a typhoon.
Ok so the best way to put it is. In EVE there is no set PVP. Cause most of the game is entirely based on it. You have Combatants(mercs, Anyone who goes out and kills things in the defense of your homeland regularly, Pirates). We have the industrialists that strive to build t2 and make tons of money. We have the agent runners who primarily interact with the NPCs (Its necessary cause we all cant live in game although im sure there are some who wish we could.) We have the miners who provide minerals to the industrialists. (Not talking about the bad kind of miners who dont sit and mine.) And we have the Carebears who sit in empire never take any risks but still interact with other players helping to further everything.
Every single profession/way you play the game ties into how everyone else plays the game. (Thanks to CCP for not sharding.) Unless you go out of your way to ignore every single person in game.
Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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JeanLuc Picarde
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:35:00 -
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dunno too much bout all this here stuff, but I do know that I truly hate wussies.
I was mindin me own business workin plexes when this jerk in a geddon decides its "his" plex and ransoms everyone in sight. fair enopugh I think heh. so I toodled home, got out my appoc, re-equyipped fer PVP, came back got up close, let him luanch his drones, smartbombed em started poundin on him and webby/nos/warp scrambled.... was looking interesting as we were fairly matched up and was gettin hairy for us both....or so I thought.... about 90 secs into the fight my screen filled up with at least 4 of his corpmates... you cxan pretty much guess the rest. I went down fighting, ignored their demands including when I was nekked in the pod. lost 5 slots worth of 3s and 4s but it was a matter of hounor. ie they had none. *shrugs* nbd just my lil story of yep gankers aint pvpers, their PKers. wont stop me from flyin solo, and wont stop me from fighting scum. hell its only isk. ^^
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: Darkdashing
Originally by: WolfGang H Do you think that it is possible for a person to post, not because something bad just happened to them, but because they believe what they are posting is true?
not when you post something like this. you make it obvious by saying it has been 2months since your last ship loss, so one doesn't need a degree to figure you just reset your 'got owned' timer.
I dont know what you just tried to say. Please clarify.
I guess you just need to learn to read. You're fond of telling others to do so but it might be time you try it yourself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Staranc
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:42:00 -
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I have a few people ingame on my hitlist... * I hope they had the implants that I had lost Implanted * SO THEY CAN G** DAMN CRY, taken me ages to recover :'( damn pod killer's. Next time Ill exit EVE (While under attack)
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:53:00 -
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Hey, its WolfGang H, the troll. Where is Hools? You guys still talk to each other?
Maybe he can come in here, and it will be just like the old days. You bring your miner Bantam, I'll bring the dual scrambler Taranis.
Personally, I think you're a massive flailing reproductive organ for whining so much. Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there. They are good for tackling, and if you lose something substantial to a single inty, well.. guess you're not very bright?
I will give you credit for that wonderful piece of flamebait, since it doesn't break any forum rules, but unfortunately thats all it is. You and I both know that there isn't enough dementia in the world to make someone seriously believe in half the stuff you spew.
Btw, hows your claim of Basgerin going? Get schooled by the miners yet?
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2006.01.11 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ordo Abchao on 11/01/2006 09:05:06
Originally by: DigitalCommunist Hey, its WolfGang H, the troll. Where is Hools? You guys still talk to each other?
Maybe he can come in here, and it will be just like the old days. You bring your miner Bantam, I'll bring the dual scrambler Taranis.
Personally, I think you're a massive flailing reproductive organ for whining so much. Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there. They are good for tackling, and if you lose something substantial to a single inty, well.. guess you're not very bright?
I will give you credit for that wonderful piece of flamebait, since it doesn't break any forum rules, but unfortunately thats all it is. You and I both know that there isn't enough dementia in the world to make someone seriously believe in half the stuff you spew.
Btw, hows your claim of Basgerin going? Get schooled by the miners yet?
Ah the memories.
Possibly Wolfgang, if you ****ed and moaned less in local people would be more inclined to ignore you and in return you would die less from gankers. Just die in peace and be done with it okay?
By the way, a quick search on killboard.net shows this: http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=47535
Which is less than a month ago, but that wasn't you now was it. Order out of Chaos |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:07:00 -
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UH OH, SPAGHETTI-O'S.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:08:00 -
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Anyone who flies with a group = coward.
Anyone who fights in an interceptor = coward.
Anyone who doesn't ignore or ransom "non-combatants" (lol) = coward.
Anyone who doesn't agree with Wolfgang's Kindergarden-Online suggestions = coward.
So like, do you have the ability to make any sort of rational argument other than "If you don't agree with my silly opinions, you are cowards!"?
Judging from your history of posting nonsense flamebait, probably not, so my advice to you is CRY HARDER.
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FreeHansje
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:15:00 -
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According to the last posts OP must have p!ssed off lotta ppl in a harsh way.
Quote: Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there.
Maybe so. I recall I was sightseeing in low-sec space in my first frigate when an Inty blasted me out of the sky and podding me. The reason was: I was tresspassing in a system belonging to so-and-so. I think this was what OP was debating: the mindless destruction of 'innocent' ppl. Disagree with him, fine, bt the vehemence, with which some posters react...really amazing! ----- FreeHansje
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:16:00 -
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while you have valid points, I find that your main argument about "gank groups" being LAME is made in prejudice. its a valid play stile and in no way cowardly... its playing an MMO, a MULTIPLAYER game, and with eve, a TEAM based MMO.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:20:00 -
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This gets my vote for best thread, 2006.
The op does not seem to get this game at all. It is quite clear you have never been in 00 or an alliance. In saying that, you are trying to attack alliance when you don't even have a clue how they work.
Most alliances I know of have a shoot on sight policy. Got ganked? Tough luck... use the map/scout next time in low sec. -
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:26:00 -
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Quote: Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there.
Considering you have an idea of what you¦re doing its much easyer to rack up kills in a ceptor than a BS or any other fat turd ship for that matter.There are really good players that fly solo in a BS and succeed,but I would just use a ceptor for that.Easy to prey on the equal-weaker and easy to run from the stronger.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:26:00 -
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well its dangerous out there best bet is to learn as u go. U can survive but it requires some experience. Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw. |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sardau Kar
Quote: Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there.
Considering you have an idea of what you¦re doing its much easyer to rack up kills in a ceptor than a BS or any other fat turd ship for that matter.There are really good players that fly solo in a BS and succeed,but I would just use a ceptor for that.Easy to prey on the equal-weaker and easy to run from the stronger.
Its less dangerous because there are more ships that can destroy an inty than there are that will challenge a good bs pilot. You rack up more kills because they are fast, and can actually stop people or get to the engagement area quickly. BS tend to lose a lot of potential kills because people run away. I do agree you have more freedom with engagement, like warping into a gate with hostiles isn't all that suicidal such as the case for a BS. But you lose a lot more inties too.. so overall BS are more dangerous :)
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