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FRONTAL LOBOTOMY
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:38:00 -
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I keep hearing about that in the forums and eve news sites. Is there a particular reason why this happens. I read in a post that the players that live there are the equivalent of hillbillies?
I am curious what exactly why this is. Is the curs region the equivalent of elephant and castle or some other bad neighborhood? |
Balthusdire Dominus
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:46:00 -
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Alliances that lose their sov go to npc null because it allows them access to the same type of space and similar style of combat to what they had. Many alliances that do lose their space are on the way out anyway and heading to npc is a last ditch effort to stay alive.
Curse is used because it is right next to low sec so easy for logistics (unlike venal or stain surrounded by sov), has some of the best pve (pirate l4s), is not **** space (see great wild lands), and is in a fairly active area. It's not where alliances go to die, it is where they go to try to live. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3534
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:48:00 -
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Balthusdire Dominus wrote:Alliances that lose their sov go to npc null because it allows them access to the same type of space and similar style of combat to what they had. Many alliances that do lose their space are on the way out anyway and heading to npc is a last ditch effort to stay alive.
Curse is used because it is right next to low sec so easy for logistics (unlike venal or stain surrounded by sov), has some of the best pve (pirate l4s), is not **** space (see great wild lands), and is in a fairly active area. It's not where alliances go to die, it is where they go to try to live.
And Syndicate. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
21
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:49:00 -
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Some geolocations simply attract attention. Jita 4-4, for instance, attracts its own kind of attention, and lots of it.
Curse, on the other hand, is more like the Afghanistan of New Eden. It's where empires go to die. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Andracin
Sickology
224
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:49:00 -
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Its not just curse. Most prevoiously sov-holding alliances die upon contact with npc 0.0. The alliances who permanantly live there are in it (usually) for the pew, as opposed to the former sov-holders who mostly are into null for the isk. When they cannot freely go rat in their drakes in belts or annoms without being hot dropped or BLOPS'd, alliance mining ops are permanantly shuttered due to frequent roaming gangs, moons worth the cost of the POS are already claimed and religiously defended, all there is left is pew. Not being into the pew, corps/players leave to other sov-holders or become renters/pets. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
662
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:58:00 -
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Andracin wrote:Its not just curse. Most prevoiously sov-holding alliances die upon contact with npc 0.0. The alliances who permanantly live there are in it (usually) for the pew, as opposed to the former sov-holders who mostly are into null for the isk. When they cannot freely go rat in their drakes in belts or annoms without being hot dropped or BLOPS'd, alliance mining ops are permanantly shuttered due to frequent roaming gangs, moons worth the cost of the POS are already claimed and religiously defended, all there is left is pew. Not being into the pew, corps/players leave to other sov-holders or become renters/pets.
Pretty much this... in addition to that, they expect npc null to be just like their home, but the truesec over there is much worse, as well a complete lack of upgrades etc. So income wise, it's much lower, meanwhile, the local entities are much more aggressive and fluent in small gang warfare which is generally not how big sov alliances fight, so they get overwhelmed, make bad calls on fights, and generally get the bad end of the stick over there.
After already being kicked out of sov space, their morale is low, add to that the crushing effect of the lower income, no 'decent' moongoo, continual harassment by small gangs where they have no proper counter, especially since these are often 'kitchen sink' esque fleets, not using massive fleet doctrines but very different and more relaxed ones, making their FCs get dizzy with the idea of trying to figure out what the enemy is capable off, thus landing them more and more defeats adding further moral crushing, these alliances just tend to fall apart.
The few that do survive tend to become very small hard cores again, turning into similar entities like the locals, the few of those that flourish and become larger might then one day again be reborn as a sov holding alliance, but that doesn't happen very often.
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James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5772
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:14:00 -
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I've always heard that it was Delve. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I've always heard that it was Delve.
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James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5774
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:49:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I've always heard that it was Delve. f;b
My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1276
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Posted - 2013.09.14 02:19:00 -
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The real problem is that if you're going to hold sov, you're going to have to defend it. A lot of the people in sov alliances are either carebears, or carebears pretending to be PVPers. Things go along just fine when the only alliance opposing you has the same membership. However, once an alliance that actually wants to fight comes along, then you're in trouble.
Curse in general is a hard region to defend if you don't know what you're doing. There are no major choke points so getting in is pretty easy. While most easily accessible regions have the benefit of being easy to supply, Curse does not as it's still far from low and hi sec. So basically, you're completely surrounded by enemies and cut off. Not a good place to be.
Curse is cursed. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Forsak3n.
463
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Posted - 2013.09.14 03:49:00 -
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Not die, just be mortally wounded for a bit
as said above, most people are carebears or carebears pretending to PvP
I just tend to never be available when ops come up I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
149
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:21:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Andracin wrote:Its not just curse. Most prevoiously sov-holding alliances die upon contact with npc 0.0. The alliances who permanantly live there are in it (usually) for the pew, as opposed to the former sov-holders who mostly are into null for the isk. When they cannot freely go rat in their drakes in belts or annoms without being hot dropped or BLOPS'd, alliance mining ops are permanantly shuttered due to frequent roaming gangs, moons worth the cost of the POS are already claimed and religiously defended, all there is left is pew. Not being into the pew, corps/players leave to other sov-holders or become renters/pets. Pretty much this... in addition to that, they expect npc null to be just like their home, but the truesec over there is much worse, as well a complete lack of upgrades etc. So income wise, it's much lower, meanwhile, the local entities are much more aggressive and fluent in small gang warfare which is generally not how big sov alliances fight, so they get overwhelmed, make bad calls on fights, and generally get the bad end of the stick over there. After already being kicked out of sov space, their morale is low, add to that the crushing effect of the lower income, no 'decent' moongoo, continual harassment by small gangs where they have no proper counter, especially since these are often 'kitchen sink' esque fleets, not using massive fleet doctrines but very different and more relaxed ones, making their FCs get dizzy with the idea of trying to figure out what the enemy is capable off, thus landing them more and more defeats adding further moral crushing, these alliances just tend to fall apart. The few that do survive tend to become very small hard cores again, turning into similar entities like the locals, the few of those that flourish and become larger might then one day again be reborn as a sov holding alliance, but that doesn't happen very often.
I don't think anybody honestly believes TEST is ever going to "come back." It just takes a long time for a huge alliance anchored by a huge corp to die. It's a matter of when, not if. And the curse of Curse will continue.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4329
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:45:00 -
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NPC nullsec is where the end game true PvPers live.
"Former sov holding alliances" are blobbers without an ounce of small gang skill, accustomed to F1 and TiDi their way to success.
It's like forcing a large group of PvEers and raiders into a "ranked war zone": they are accustomed to dumb scripts and get savagely minced. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
567
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:NPC nullsec is where the end game true PvPers live.
"Former sov holding alliances" are blobbers without an ounce of small gang skill, accustomed to F1 and TiDi their way to success.
It's like forcing a large group of PvEers and raiders into a "ranked war zone": they are accustomed to dumb scripts and get savagely minced.
Show me where they touched your pos. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4330
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:28:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:NPC nullsec is where the end game true PvPers live.
"Former sov holding alliances" are blobbers without an ounce of small gang skill, accustomed to F1 and TiDi their way to success.
It's like forcing a large group of PvEers and raiders into a "ranked war zone": they are accustomed to dumb scripts and get savagely minced. Show me where they touched your pos.
My POS in Stain? Nobody touched it. They were too busy pressing F1 and blobbing around. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:44:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:I don't think anybody honestly believes TEST is ever going to "come back." It just takes a long time for a huge alliance anchored by a huge corp to die.
Especially when they never purge their inactive players because they are afraid of how bad it will look on dotlan graphs.
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Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
622
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:59:00 -
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Don't be so negative man, TEST is the best thing to happen to Curse in a long time! I hope they don't die, I have never had so much fun flying a condor in my Eve Career! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6001
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Posted - 2013.09.16 23:51:00 -
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TEST isn't dying guys... come on now.
Havent you heard that theyre doing this to grow stronger and then theyre gonna slowly take over ALL the things?
We cant beat the big guy, so were going to stay in the forest and kill boars until we gain like 70 levels. Expect a TEST resurgeance in 25 years. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Crimson Gauntlet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:06:00 -
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Because it's cursed. Number of times my posts have come in after the dev/mod locked the thread:-á 1 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4565
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:13:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:The real problem is that if you're going to hold sov, you're going to have to defend it. A lot of the people in sov alliances are either carebears, or carebears pretending to be PVPers. Things go along just fine when the only alliance opposing you has the same membership. However, once an alliance that actually wants to fight comes along, then you're in trouble. Goons are just skillless F1 carebears that want to afk farm kills via drone assist.
The elite pvp N3 dominix doctrines, nulli ishtar doctrines and so on will waste them with their superior skills There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2803
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:15:00 -
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FRONTAL LOBOTOMY wrote:I keep hearing about that in the forums and eve news sites. Is there a particular reason why this happens. I read in a post that the players that live there are the equivalent of hillbillies?
I am curious what exactly why this is. Is the curs region the equivalent of elephant and castle or some other bad neighborhood?
When I came to null, it was Syndicate where allainces go to die.
The turth is, npc null is a great place to regruop. SOV NULL is where alliances die lol.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4565
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:17:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:TEST isn't dying guys... come on now.
Havent you heard that theyre doing this to grow stronger and then theyre gonna slowly take over ALL the things?
We cant beat the big guy, so were going to stay in the forest and kill boars until we gain like 70 levels. Expect a TEST resurgeance in 25 years. So a training montage where they learn to not be poor and maximize their isk per hour?
They can then become the star N3 renters, providing isk to the one coalition we can believe in. Because they exist to destroy GSF There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Crimson Gauntlet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:TEST isn't dying guys... come on now.
Havent you heard that theyre doing this to grow stronger and then theyre gonna slowly take over ALL the things?
We cant beat the big guy, so were going to stay in the forest and kill boars until we gain like 70 levels. Expect a TEST resurgeance in 25 years. So a training montage where they learn to not be poor and maximize their isk per hour? They can then become the star N3 renters, providing isk to the one coalition we can believe in. Because they exist to destroy GSF
You forgot "how not to have your stuff stolen repeatedly". Number of times my posts have come in after the dev/mod locked the thread:-á 1 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4565
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:22:00 -
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Crimson Gauntlet wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:TEST isn't dying guys... come on now.
Havent you heard that theyre doing this to grow stronger and then theyre gonna slowly take over ALL the things?
We cant beat the big guy, so were going to stay in the forest and kill boars until we gain like 70 levels. Expect a TEST resurgeance in 25 years. So a training montage where they learn to not be poor and maximize their isk per hour? They can then become the star N3 renters, providing isk to the one coalition we can believe in. Because they exist to destroy GSF You forgot "how not to have your stuff stolen repeatedly". Kind of goes against not being poor.
A bunch of people got rich of test :v: There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1297
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:The real problem is that if you're going to hold sov, you're going to have to defend it. A lot of the people in sov alliances are either carebears, or carebears pretending to be PVPers. Things go along just fine when the only alliance opposing you has the same membership. However, once an alliance that actually wants to fight comes along, then you're in trouble. Goons are just skillless F1 carebears that want to afk farm kills via drone assist. The elite pvp N3 dominix doctrines, nulli ishtar doctrines and so on will waste them with their superior skills
That wasn't directed at Goons, mostly TEST and especially Tribal Band. But if you wish to say such ill things of yourself feel free to do so. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4567
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:41:00 -
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:thejoke:
Sigh. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Crimson Gauntlet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:41:00 -
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Quote:Kind of goes against not being poor.
A bunch of people got rich of test :v:
Idk, I would argue that as being "not being rich yet gullible" instead. Number of times my posts have come in after the dev/mod locked the thread:-á 1 |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1297
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote::thejoke:
Sigh.
Oh I got your joke, I just didn't find it all that funny. My apologies. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2617
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:48:00 -
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Curse is also a place where new alliances first cut their teeth. Several successful alliances got started there... I think NPC Fountain is where alliances go to die. *cough Xelas cough*
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Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Shadow Cartel
610
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:07:00 -
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Xearal wrote:[quote=Andracin] meanwhile, the local entities are much more aggressive and fluent in small gang warfare which is generally not how big sov alliances fight, so they get overwhelmed, make bad calls on fights, and generally get the bad end of the stick over there.
W..wait so going to Null Sec isn't for leet pvp's it's for pve? A..and to top it off my tried and true F1 Drake Won pvp's doctrine won't work against competent pilots!? Color me surprised... Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at http://hoistthecolors.org |
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