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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:14:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well. If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well. If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well. If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well.
Or, as they say, lolno.
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Posted - 2011.10.31 08:01:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.
Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party. Works both ways: anyone who hides behind GÇ£they're sociopaths", GÇ£I wasn't doing anything" or GÇ£it's illegal IRL" is a moral and intellectual coward trying to pass off blame for their own mistakes and poor choices (and accountability) onto a third party. They chose to play a full-PvP game, and then chose not to prepare for the eventuality of being engaged in PvP. That's their actions and 100% their choice - it just turned out to be a horribly bad choice and they're experiencing the consequences of that choice.
And the reason Ieave out GÇ£innocent" is because I do not live under the delusion that anyone in EVE is innocent, most certainly not the resource gatherers who make it all possible... GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:41:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:What if I told you that I work as a dentist IRL and that I get off on the pain I inflict? You wouldn't be telling us anything new or shocking GÇö we all know that all dentists are like thisGǪ  GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:36:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:You can guess I am not a pirate, hell I pop pirates for fun. That's pretty immoral of you, don't you think?
Quote:There is no excuse for your actions in EVE, THEY DEFINE YOU as a player and as a person. If you don't do that in RL that does not erase their relevance. In other words, you have no respect for human life and you couldn't care less about law and order. You also condone slavery and religious fanaticism.
Have you thought about handing yourself over to the nearest tribunal for sentencing? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:59:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:Flame me all you want. We're not flaiming you. We're asking if you believe in (and adhere to) your own statements. According to you, you are a religious zealot with no regard for human live, freedom, or rule of law. It's either that, or your premise about the mirroring of reality in fantasy is false.
Quote:I choose to engage in PvP and shoot only reds/pirates that is a BIG difference from engaging a solo miner in high sec for the LOLS. Not really, no, since those solo miners chose to be targets (and the ones who do not do so actively, do so due to ignorance, and should rather be happy to have that ignorance removed so they can start to behave rationally and be able to take an active stance in the matter instead).
Quote:You guys are very dangerous people in RL Not as dangerous as a such proud fundamentalist and mass-murderer as you profess to be.
Quote:Anyway, I find myself wondering if people who scam in EVE what stops them from doing it in real life? Morals, most likely. The things that are shaped by the society in which they live GÇö a radically different society than the one that exists within the virtual world of EVE. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:05:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:Fighting honourably in 0.0 for sov or other stuff is no issue IMO, but ganking a miner for LOLZ or scamming in JITA that is a different story IMO. I guess all have their own standard for their life some have a really low one and it shows in EVE. Well, your standards are low, that's for sure. Most people grew out of that feudal mindset inGǪ ohGǪ the 16th century or so.
Quote:CAUSING PAIN JUST BECAUSE U CAN SHOWS WHO YOU ARE!!! - there is a big difference if you fight for a goal aka SOV, killing high sec miners is just a quest for SELF GRATIFICATION. This brings to mind a great line from Grosse Point Blank: GÇ£psychopaths kills for no reason, I kill for moneyGÇ¥GǪ the difference is that the script writes realised this was a rather silly statement and made the character immediately withdraw it as part of his journey back into some kind of normality and redemption. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:33:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:You don't see players rage against other players like some do in Eve unless there have been some sportsmanship issues. Well, maybe if they stopped complaining about how the rules made them lose and actually showed the trait of sportsmanship called being a good loser, the tears wouldn't be around any moreGǪ
The fun thing about people doing it GÇ£for tearsGÇ¥ is that they're so ridiculously easy to win against.  GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:47:00 -
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Twisted Alice wrote:That's not true, ganking people has nothing to do with sportsmanship, but it is about the tears (griefing people) which is allowed in the rules as long as it's using the game mechanics. I think you missed who I was talking about when mentioning being sportsmanlikeGǪ
But you do illustrate the other point: how ridiculously easy it is to win against those who harvest tears.
Finally, no, griefing is not allowed, and doing it outisde of the intended game mechanics just makes it not allowed in two different ways. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:25:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:If you enjoy killing peeps in EVE that have no chance to strike back or at least be able to fight then you should take a loot in the mirror and ask yourself what kind of a person you are? And the answer is: someone who enjoys playing games.
Quote:My issue is with people that take pleasure in the pain of others [GǪ] OP is right to question some behaviour in EVE as a RL issue. Yes, but the issue here is that some people have such a hard time to make the disconnect between game and reality that they feel pain when their pixels get exploded. They really shouldn't be playing EVE (or any other game for that matter) until they've had that sorted GÇö modern therapy can work wonders at times. For the rest of us, the problem is that there is no way to tell before-hand who suffers from this illness and who doesn't, and even if we did, not shooting them wouldn't really be a solution since the problem is that they're in the game with that illness to begin with.
MeestaPenni wrote:I like how the phrase "not reality, it's a game" gets tossed out here. That only makes sense if you're able to completely dehumanize the other players, or if it was purely NPCs being opposed.
The fact of the matter is, it is reality. There is another person on the other keyboard....... GǪand it is impossible to hurt them unless they are unable to separate game from reality and instead take everything done to them as a real affront. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:45:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:I'm not trying to make any points aside from pointing out that your sport analogy is a poor one. So no, it doesn't make a difference, because the whole sport scenario is not especially applicable to the conversation. That is, unless every player looked at Eve as a sport, which is not the case. He's making the analogy sport = game. What you're saying, then, basically confirms that the problem is that some people have lost sight of the fact EVE is a gameGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:09:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".
If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw? Elation from victory is the reason to compete, is it not?
In order to achieve that, though, you also need to learn to eat the defeats and just move onGǪ or even better, to appreciate them for the learning opportunities they represent and try to improve from the experience. Not being able to do so is indeed a problem, whereas enjoying success is not. The Gǣproblem" (and I'm using that word very liberally here) that has generated this ladt wave of GǣCCPNprotect us!"-whine threads is rather that some people don't need much in the way of success to enjoy it.
GǪand just to head that one off: if you're not willing to take part in that competition, then maybe a PvP game simply isn't for you. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:38:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You do not lie when you bluff in poker. A lie is saying something that is untrue when you know it is untrue. So, much like betting like you have a good hand when you know it is not trueGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:35:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I see you avoided the question I asked. Actually, he didn't. You're just projecting again.
Quote:So if someone bluffs in poker you think you are ok to call them a liar? Seeing as how that's what a bluff is: telling people something that is not true, yes. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:41:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Really what was his answer then? GÇ£My best friend used to kick my ass in this game all the time, including many others. So has my son and my wife.
We understand that what is done in game is part of the game.GÇ¥ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:30:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Here is another question that was irrelevant and stupid. Indeed it was. Irrational hyperbole based on flawed premises usually works that way.
Quote:Does mittens know you are here posting instead of making him money and fame in null sec? You better get ratting and stop pretending you can think for yourself. You can't. Wow. You really weren't kidding when you said you were prejudiced, were you?  GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:34:00 -
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Cearain wrote:What ever you do don't actually try to think and answer the question. Anything but that. Why would I answer a question about real life when we're talking about in-game morals?
You do understand that you're asking about real life here, right? Or are you still unable to distinguish the two?
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:39:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:What if, during a rugby or (American) football game, the teams would intentionally target individual players and injure them on purpose, and then on their blogs brag about how they wrecked this guys season or put that guy out of a career?
Sure they could not and should not be charged with assault but would they still be allowed to play?
Would they be considered good players? You can make a fairly good career out of thatGǪ
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:55:00 -
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Cearain wrote:This game involves allot of metagaming so there is not such a clear line between ingame and out of game. GǪbut we're talking about in-game morality here.
Quote:If there were you would be able to answer the questions I put forth as easilly as I can answer your questions. GǪand that's why your question is not relevant: because it is not part of the topic GÇö it's out-of-game.
And if it's so easy for you to answer our questions, why aren't you?
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:38:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Mag's wrote:Did you actually read that, or just think because the word game was mentioned, it was somehow related? Yes, in particular. So you understand that it is entirely irrelevant and inapplicable to on-line gaming? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:52:00 -
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Jack Cavanaugh wrote:I normally have a tendency to play Lawful Good or Chaotic Good (role playing terms). From everything I've read and seen in EVE so far it seems like a majority of people have no problem and intentionally go out of their way to kill people for no reason whatsoever besides simply killing them and taking their stuff. Pff. True Neutral is true evilGǪ  Also, Chaotic Neutral ftw! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:10:00 -
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Birchenor wrote:Neutral is what it is. Freedom..true freedom now THAT'S terrifying, essp when you realise that for it to actually exist - it needs to apply to everyone.
A truly free world would be a terrifying place. Probably. But even so, if we were to apply those alignments to the game, I'd say that true (or chaotic) neutral is fairly close to the core philosophy of the world as a wholeGǪ
GǪand that would imo explain why it throws so many people because it's very rare to see it being represented even remotely correctly. EVE doesn't quite get there either, but it's closer than most. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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