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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Ginger Magician
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:52
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:09
Like the topic says this situation is soon to come about in EVE csuse of the recent nerfs to piracy which have resulted in a number of corps and well known pirates either changign their ways or becoming mostly inactive.
Although it is ofc possible that new players will rise to replace them given the extreme hardship now faced by a career pirate it seems unlikely many will succeed.
So the question for all the pirate hunters and pvp lovers out there is - if there is no easy pirate targets at -10 who can be hunted and killed without consequence will u still play eve?
I just joined the game right after RMR was released, can anyone briefly tell me what happened to nerf piracy or the fun of it?
thanks
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Sarina Talglit
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:32:00 -
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Ginger Magician is not a pirate.
He is a ganker, usually hitting noobs in frigates. Happened to me, too.
But yes, we all are worried about the ganker activities and the disappearance of the real pirates.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: GigaIndy
As for quiting, if pirates disapeared i'd quit. If random gankers sitting 200k off of a gate killing 4 week old noobs in badgers. I wouldn't quit, i'd rejoice.
Have to agree with this guy for a change.
yes rod, me to....Ginger stop sniping from 5 billlions km's away, and start active pirating
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Skogen Gump on 13/01/2006 13:37:12
Originally by: Nyphur
Probably not. I live in 0.0. If there was no risk of piracy, it wouldn't be special to be able live out there. Anyone and their dog could.
There's no such thing as Piracy in 0.0 
However, I would love to know what the Op thinks that the nerf to piracy is ?
Did they nerf Warp-core stabs or something ?
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:37:00 -
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Ginger was local to us the other night moaning about sniping being a dead art now.
I guess this is what this is all about.
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
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Rhodry Amarrian
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:47:00 -
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I have only ever come across 1 "pirate", i.e. someone who would lock you down and ransom and a fair few griefers.
TBH once you move out to 0.0 pirates are a total irrelevancy aside from a few opportunistic gankers using alt spies/cov ops/cloaked HACs and other such tactics to get the odd kill at zero risk.
I cant see how removing such people from the game would hae any kind of a negative impact on anyones game play.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:47:00 -
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I'd like to see more pirates. They make life in EVE fun, and silly players who don't take sensible precautions in lowsec/0.0 soon learn from their mistakes.
As I'm an anti-pirate, they also give me something to do.
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Velvet Ce'Nedra
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:57:00 -
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I dont post here often, but wanted to answer this one...
Yes, I would still play the game, and happily so, if pirates were history.
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Verizana
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:59:00 -
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Yo Ginger. Good ol' times eh :D heard you blew the large armor rep II BPO. Nice bang but bad for us though :)
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: GigaIndy
As for quiting, if pirates disapeared i'd quit. If random gankers sitting 200k off of a gate killing 4 week old noobs in badgers. I wouldn't quit, i'd rejoice.
Have to agree with this guy for a change.
yes rod, me to....Ginger stop sniping from 5 billlions km's away, and start active pirating
More fun for you, and lots more fun for the victims too.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Brolly
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:12:00 -
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Things would probably be the same, in low sec space you still have your ganking and pvp so not much would change really. It's only near empire in the low sec space you get rats and i'm rarely their these days so they don't really have an effect on my gameplay.
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Storne
It looks like what you are complaining about is the possibility of retaliation when you are not prepared for it. I guess you missed the irony?
So, you attacking other people when they are not prepared for it is fun, but when the roles are reversed, all of a sudden the game isn't fair anymore and you want to quit?
Echo that.
I like the new kill rights. Two of my ships got blown up, once by two guys in HACs and once by three BS, with three of the five people being not outlaws. In RL I could call the police and they'd at least have a hard time with some questions. In EVE before kill rights, I had a few minutes to retaliate, most of which would be needed to get a ship capable of doing that. Now I have a month, and that means I can even get the skills needed to match them a bit.
I actually like the added interaction this could bring. No longer is it "I just podded a n00b, k3wl, now I have to wait 15 mins before I return to empire and buy more ammo", now you actually have to worry that someone will return the favor if you go near him again. So if you are unwilling to risk that, you need to pay another player to fetch the stuff for you (though, knowing EVE, most will simply use a lame alt).
I play a pirate hunter at the moment, so without them I would need to change plans a bit, but EVE is so large that there is always something you can try.
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Secretary
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:25:00 -
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History as i recall. (probably all lies and propaganda)
In 'the good old days' it was possible to destroy sentry guns by gates and many a jolly roger would kill the sentries and then scramble innocent folk as they passed through demanding ransom for release.
CCP made sentries indestructable.
Not sure if folk took to sensor damping or target jamming the sentries at this point but the jolly rogers continued to ply their trade extorting money from honest traders through threats of violence.
The pirates weren't happy, they did whine about those oppressive sentry guns but most adapted.
CCP made the sentries unjammable, undampable and indestructable.
Much wailing and wringing of hands (and hooks) followed.
Gate camping gankers switched to tanking against the sentry damage and killing everything that passed. operating solo or in groups the jolly rogers would use ultra damage / instalock sniper ships to kill everything. Not sure what the point was, they were hoping people would add to the bounty or something.
May have been at this point that zombie corp demonstrated a slight flaw in the mechanics of gang assist modules in yulai.
I was mostly operating in 0.0 space at this point so blockade running was my only contact with the jolly rogers.
I took a break from eve so didn't really care what terrible injustices were befalling pirates.
far as i know during the cold war map changes the fastest routes between empires were low sec systems... which is sort of an invitation for pirates to operate on fat trade routes. Not sure what the pirates whined about relating to that but i'm sure there was something just not right for them.
RMR brought about the kill rights or 'i'm gonna shoot you for what you did to my predecessor' . much wailing and wringing of hooks.
So now people who choose to ply their trade of mass indescrimintae slaughter for profit have to watch their backs all the time. big deal.
To answer the original question... I'll play eve as long as it holds my interest. The existence of 'career pirates' makes no difference to my game experience. Lots of people want to kill me, some call themselves soldiers, some agents of vengeance for a long dead grudge, others call themselves mercenaries some may even consider themselves pirates but whatever they call themselves they're just enemies and i doubt the lack of health and dental that goes with their self proclaimed job title will stop them being my enemies.
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Rogue Roy
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:33:00 -
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I would continue to play EVE but it would be a very different kind of game. The presence of pilot piracy does give you a thrill and in low-sec you should watch your back in any case.
Apart from 0.0, EVE without pirates would be mostly an economy simulation. However, I have not noticed any reduction in the number of pirates around.
Which is fine by me
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:34:00 -
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Well some interesting reponses.
It seems a small majority are not concerned that piracy is dying out and will continue to play EVE regardless.A number of you have asked what nerfs - if your not a pirate u wont really understand these nerfs so i wont bore u with techical details but the fact is rmr was the biggest nerf to piracy there has ever been hence the dying out of the profession.
As it stands however u can rest assured that the continual nerfs to piracy and the lack of any postive encouragement whatsoever will mean there will be almost no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 within a few months.Whether that actually matters or not remains to be seen.
"May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are." |
Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:40:00 -
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I agree that losing Pirates all together would be a sad sad loss to the vibrant and dynamic universe that is EVE Online.
However, I wil celebrate the day that the combined nerfs drive the Gankers, Griefers and Cowards away.
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Chrizto
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:50:00 -
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Yes, i don't come across them often except for chokepoints where they are a real pain in the ass sometimes.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:00:00 -
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I have been a pirate for a few months. I belt hunt and now and then sit at a gate and see if I get lucky with a juicy hauler coming through. I see it that I do something sh!tty to others so my life in Eve should hence be difficult. Fair enough I suppose. I can still be a pirate quite happily and tbh it's about the only way I can have fun in Eve without it feeling like a 2nd job.
Everything you want to do in Eve requires far too much effort for too little reward and too much risk. Piracy is about as close as I could find to a happy medium. I am genuinely sorry when my actions p!ss off other people as I am a friendly guy but blame the people that designed this game we love, not me. My hand was forced, quit or be a pirate. I have actually quit but until my account expires I am a pirate.
From what I have historically heard it's the pirates fault for all the nerfs to piracy and theirs alone anyway. They took advantage of the way Eve worked and forced the changes. It was like they were stress testers of the game mechanics. "Look what I can do" they said, aren't I clever. CCP did look, probably agreed they are clever then realised they had to change the game to keep it as what they envisioned. To put it bluntly pirates took the p!ss and payed for it. Serves them right.
Piracy will not disappear anyway. Maybe for those that remember the "good ol days" where they could exploit the game mechanics massively to their own needs piracy is dead. For me it's the best fun I can extract from Eve and I'll continue doing it until my accounts expire.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 13/01/2006 15:05:10
I don't know how it is now, but imho low sec. space is meant to be inhabited by pirates. That's how I understand it since I read that there is are different security levels on my first eve day and that eve has non-consensual pvp.
But I'd like to see more close-range action and less sniping. If EVE doesn't allow that in low sec at the moment, then the system is broken imho.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Velsharoon on 13/01/2006 15:22:00
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
This has top be really a stupid question you can answer it your self in two seconds, all yo have to do is look at the map see th 70% of people in empire avoding pierates at all costs, never leaving empire.
Now ask your self would these people still play if they could go to low sec and mine safe in the knowledge that the only thing likley to kill them is a belt rat, hell yes they would.
Pierats are the problem not the soulttion. PVP will contuine in war decs, with out griffer pierat scum.
And thats what most pierats are, a group who i wont name here recentley, delbrtley spent all the time going after my ceo over and over and over again untill he quit eve (dont ask me why he did just no got back to high sec).
I say good ridens to bad rubish.
Is this us!
If this is us then boohoo, seriously we do not go out looking to grief people, if he was caught multiple times its because he knowingly took the risk or else was to stupid to learn. Check out the ATUF Kb, we take risks to get kills and die to, all our losses are there. Pirates are not gods...
Piracy is supposed to be a profession, unfortunately the tools arent there. Im refering to low sec piracy hence the outlaw thing.
I know pirates are a minority and all but we pay are subs to, be nice to be given some tools for piracy even if nothing else was changed. A ransoming tool for eg:
What people want is their ships kept safe, we dont want miner2s we want the ships worth i.e. insurance and ofc pod. Be nice if there was a strike colours option were if your caught you use it, we cant kill you but your ships disabled and your given the options i,e, we will say 50m in a wee box, you can accept or reject. Accept then you can go on your merry way. I dont know whether you should be invulnerable or else eve being the sandbox it is you can be shot at and killed and then the "pirate" would be flagged as not upholding ransoms in his bio or something. I say "pirate" as thats obviously a griefer....
Those that dont like piracy could set it so that all ransom demands are rejected, hell even a wee message could pop up in the log "Arr a good captain goes down with his ship"
But yeah i guess that cos its not a big enough profession it will get ignored like bounty hunting...
To get anything in this game you have to be a carebear or in an alliance. Blehs were did I put my basic miners...
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:24:00 -
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Quote:
Would you still play EVE if there were no pirates?
Yes. I personally am more interested in seeing things develop from Cold War, to Red Moon Rising, to "KALI" - where players' primary objectives shift towards an actual war.
Pirating in EVE is some kind of Jekyll-Hyde monstrosity, where it seems one side's idea of pirating is simply to lay in wait for passersby, and another side's idea is something a bit more immersive.
Personally, I'd like to see a bit more 'privateering', inline with content/storyline changes that are supposed to bring us to some kind of factional war in the coming months/year. For example, I'd just love, for once, to see organized Caldari go raid Gallente trade routes in some sort of unofficially sanctioned privateering effort designed to weaken/disturb the enemies of The Caldari State.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
I really don't see a problem with the new eye-for-an-eye legislation in game. It seems a logical way forward to allow players the opportunity to exact vengeance for their losses.
I think the unrealistic view would be that of expecting to destroy someone's ship and then be able to fly past them waving sarcastically in empire, protected by Concord - which is how it used to be. 
As to other 'nerfs' to piracy, what might they be? You can use warp bubbles for gate camps, interdictors when you want to catch someone without a bubble, they can't insta-log off once they've been in combat with you any more, etc.
Seems to me that CCP is aiming for a balance and that the only 'pirates' who will be upset by the changes are the ones who want an 'I WIN' button and like to throw their toys out of the pram every time something is added to give their victims a miniscule chance to fight back.
Because it isn't giving them a chance to fight back.
Eye for an eye lets them get revenge, which while good, makes piracy laughably unprofitable as a profession. Thus only the griefers are left.
Sec hits don't let you fight back, they just punish you.
Sentry guns don't let you fight back, they protect you.
Inability to raise sec status doesn't let you fight back, it just punishes the pirate more.
Etc. Etc.
Oh, and BTW, warp bubbles and interdictors only work in 0.0. You can't pirate in 0.0; you can't be an outlaw where there are no laws.
But yes, I guess we got the logout timer. Whoop-ti-****ing-do.
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Hysenthlay
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Storne
Yes, I'd continue to play if there were no pirates. Although I do look forward to hunting pirates at some point, if they all leave the game I won't really be dissapointed.
It looks like what you are complaining about is the possibility of retaliation when you are not prepared for it. I guess you missed the irony?
So, you attacking other people when they are not prepared for it is fun, but when the roles are reversed, all of a sudden the game isn't fair anymore and you want to quit?
what he said...
's are fun but when the tables turned they cry?
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:33:00 -
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"You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means...."
--Inegio Montoya
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
QTF, seriously. Piwates (Let's not call 'em pirates because pirates, those who hunts alone for prey in belts in low sec are those who can stay) can just vanish. If your doing your CAREBEAR playstyle where you sit 200km from gate and gank people with low to NONE risk, please quit this game.
They're not piwates, they're gankers. As you said, piracy in belts is good, and when you explain to me how all the recent nerfs don't affect belt piracy and only gankers, I'll happily shut up.
The problem is, the recent nerfs should be affecting the asshats who blow **** up indescriminately for a laugh, not the belt pirates. But these nerfs seem to be doing exactly the opposite.
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Fooball
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:39:00 -
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I have been only in the receiving side so far.. But it has been funnier moving in dangerous places thanks to those pierats trying to hunt me down  It would be bad if the lower sec wasn't dangerous anymore. Imho we'd need more honest professional pierats.
Also I think the sniping the gates is mostly like masturbating and should lead into a lightning bolt striking the snipers. It's utterly lame stuff to do.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Duncan Storne
Yes, I'd continue to play if there were no pirates. Although I do look forward to hunting pirates at some point, if they all leave the game I won't really be dissapointed.
It looks like what you are complaining about is the possibility of retaliation when you are not prepared for it. I guess you missed the irony?
So, you attacking other people when they are not prepared for it is fun, but when the roles are reversed, all of a sudden the game isn't fair anymore and you want to quit?
And there, you just answered your own question. Somebody who does it solely for fun is a griefer - they get kicks out of killing defenceless ships. But piracy - real piracy - is a profession. It can be fun (although anybody who's done any amount of gate-camping may disagree) but a pirate is doing it for the cash. And at the minute that's impossible, thus the numerous 'piracy is dead' replys.
Let me just get this right. Your whining because, if you pod someone, they get the rights to go and hunt you?
If your after cash, you have absolutely no need to pod people.. just blow up their ship and steal their loot... Podding someone gives you what excatly?
I see no nerf to pirates at all anywhere. You can still go around in 1.0 and steal loot/mining can's. Oh yes, your not protected by concord anymore, but thats just fair.
I could leave it at that, but;
a) Eye for an eye works for any kills - not just pods.
b) I don't ore thief. I don't even know what orifice you pulled that one out of...
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:41:00 -
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heh i lost a cruiser to a belt prat, sadly i dunno if he was gank or prat. but atleast in the belts i knew it was my fault for not being prepaired to pvp(still got his ass to 50% structure, not bad for heavy missles vs an intercepter). im only against gate gankers, if im in the belts i should be watching local, sensors and have my warp drive ready or be ready fight. upside is after learning the hard way i now keep a webber and painter on my Caracal. dunno if i should fit a scram as well or not.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
british pirates in the caribean which hunted spanish galeons full of gold ... they didn't move to the spanish headquarters in the regions - they had their own hideouts and their own infrastructure - or they would be ganked to death by the spanish navy ...
and that's the same with piracy in eve - you killed someone ... well, traveling to empire could be a risky business ... if you don't like this - prolly you can get someone to move the needed stuff to your homebase ...
if you are an outlaw (at least for concorde) don't whine about the fact that you will be hunt down - eve is a game about interaction and consequences - deal with it
Yup, that's certainly what sec hits do. Sec hits that have been in the game since day one. Sec hits which cleary aren't relevant here. We're talking about new nerfs, try to keep up.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:46:00 -
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your saying that snipers and gate gankers arent pirates but they are: its just an industrial method of making isk
I havent done it in months but it is more profitable than belts, and certainly if we are enroute to a somewere and we see a BS we can get we will agress it
but yeah belt piracy should be were its at...so i guess the option would be to delay local or else remove the timer or both
Thing is why do we have the timer in the 1st place...to let people fight back...but thats rubbish as all pirates safespot or hunt in the belts anyways...
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