Why would you continue deccing someone who keeps corp hopping? Just gank his ass

Once you war dec, you're committed, that's the point.

I think you do raise a point worth considering, but I don't think your proposal is a valid solution. Though why you would continue dec'ing after you see how he will respond, I do not know. Just put a bounty on him and be done with it.

Seems to me that the guy is clearly winning every war against him. It's only a couple mill to open a new corp, versus the 50M cost inflicted on the attacker. Nice work by him.

Exactly the problem. I pay 50 mil, i get nothing because 1 minute later he is in a new corp, and the smack continues :-(

I don't see the problem. It's a clever use of game mechanics to defeat you in a war.

Well, you're already disrupting the activities of those you declare war on, so it makes more sense to have the fee be billed the moment you declare a war.

On the other hand, do you in all honesty believe that spending 300m to prove a point will convince CCP of changing anything? That's a bit naive. You could just as well have written this thread without going through the hassle.

Imagine this: Corp A wardeccs Corp B. Corp B starts preparing for war, changing indies for BCs and BSs and take offline some stuff for more POS defence, convo peps for a specific hour and place, and after 24 hours, Corp A refuses to pay the bill so the war is annulled. Corp A does this indefinitely so they just bully people for free. A big NO to your proposal. The corp that wants the war should "bribe" (a.k.a. pay the bill) Concord in advance. The way it is now makes sense. Besides, you just said you were having "fun". That's what the game is about.

TL;DR: NO!

For every consequence in eve there are two ways to avoid it.

My suggestion was either:
Have the war follow the new corp, IF its within the 24 hour stasis period
or
Simply make it impossible to create a new corp while a war is in stasis. Its a 24 hour period, nothing more, nothing less.

Granted that its impossible to dec the same corp twice in a week (as far as I know?) So you cant just keep stasis a corp forever.

If they decide to leave the corp while a war is outside of stasis/cooldown, its fair game. Its just the 24 hour window where they can just screw it, and leave the deccing part with a bill with zero consequence.

Hope that cleared up the issue.

Yes it does. You want to wage war against a single target, single person actually. Wars were not designed for that. 1v1 is called PvP, ganking, whatever. A war is supposed to involve multiple targets. It's like going into a bar, not liking someone's face and you throw a war declaration at him, not his country.

Imagine this: Corp A wardeccs Corp B. Corp B starts preparing for war, changing indies for BCs and BSs and take offline some stuff for more POS defence, convo peps for a specific hour and place, and after 24 hours, Corp A refuses to pay the bill so the war is annulled. Corp A does this indefinitely so they just bully people for free. A big NO to your proposal. The corp that wants the war should "bribe" (a.k.a. pay the bill) Concord in advance. The way it is now makes sense. Besides, you just said you were having "fun". That's what the game is about.

TL;DR: NO!

I'm not disrupting anything, the 24 hour timer ensures they have plenty of time to create new corp. Its a 2 minute hassle, and they are on their merry way.



Of course I dont expect CCP to change anything, but the issue is reported none the less.

I could just have written a whine about it without the dec, but then people could have claimed it was a coincidence they just changed corp at that time.

My dec is an example of the usage of the tactic in the purest form. There is no doubt that this being used extensively, his corp name even stated it (being Expendable corp X-Y), even in the corps bio.

With this dec history, noone can question the motives behind changing corp, and thats what the 300 mil was spent on.

Solution 1:
A - B -C is "personally at war" for 24 hours, despite whatever corp they are in.
Obviously the concept of "personal wars" is not implemented and is a huge change to the current mechanics, so this option is kinda far fetched.

Solution 2:
Noone leaves a corp within the stasis+cooldown period of a war.
This will mean A B C is rejected from leaving current corp till the war go live, and 24 hours after this (a usual cooldown period).
This should be easier to implement than 1, will ensure the war gets at least 24 hours of meaning and value for the bill.

Solution 3:
You can't create / join a new corp within 3-7 days after your last "corp at war" quit.

If you aren't willing to fight back then you deserve to be bullied.

the simplest way to deal with this is for the war decced corp to be not notified 24 hours in advance. All they get is an email saying that 'xxx corp has declared war on you, effectively immediately'. I would further add that it should be against the rules to leave a corp during a war. Or if really must happen it be marked on your employment history as cowardice.

ah another thread of someone who it-¦s upset because CCP doesn't let him gank industrial in high sec.

you want a proper war dec a pvp corp or go to some lower security system you know the place when your ganks attempts are not cover by concord.

yes indeed i agree with you when you say that the war system it-¦s not working well but this is a terrible example of why it-¦s just an example of how experienced pilots try to bully new pilots or people that its not interested in pvp at the moment

Someone sees you at a gate in an indy, wants to avoid losing status and ships so they dec your corp and starts shooting in seconds. Instead of cheap 2-3 ganking ships they will start using large fleets of expensive mega-weapon platforms as they don't risk anymore losing them to CONCORD. It would bring a lot of war to highsec but overall I'd say... not good. It should be at least some time before wardec and actual shooting without CONCORD interference and stat losing. As most people log in at least once a day, 24h seems reasonable to me.

Again someone who posts and doesn't read the thread.
It is, several times, said specifically that its the 'bill and stasis period', not the actual fights/war thats being discussed here.

Read that again.

If wardecs are evaded before it goes live, there is a problem.

The fact that most Eve players seems to wanting no-risk isk harvesting, and don't care about multiplayer nature of Eve, is a problem but not covered within this thread.

The claim that most 'empire pvp'ers' are scared griefing bullies and should go to lowsec and null where 'real men pvp' is so clueless a statement that is also far beyond the grasp of this thread.

This thread is about the 24 hour stasis time where corp A pays a bill to causes a disruption in the playstyle of corp B, and corp B within game mechanics can nullify the said action, leaving wardecs pointless.

The motives behind said actions, whether its cowardize, griefing etc. is seperate discussions.