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Benedict Iscariot
Rapture Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:06:00 -
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Would a fleet of 4-5 Hawk Pilots with passive resists and a Medium ASB microwarping at range with Light Missiles be able to farm C3 sites? |
Malception
Cold Moon Destruction.
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:25:00 -
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mmm I don't think so. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.09.20 17:22:00 -
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No idea but my gut instinct is there would be fatalities - but I've heard of people doing them with 4-5 RR wolfs and enyos, I ran one once (not solo) just out of interest in a passive shield tanked comet and lived :D |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:35:00 -
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it might be possible, the question is why the hell would you want to though, it woul dbe slow as ****,. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:29:00 -
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A couple things I've been thinking about with wormhole PvE farming:
1. Time is money - sure you CAN do something, but couldn't you be making even more ISK doing something else with that time?
2. It's usually a good idea for the amount of ISK you can make from an activity to somewhat match with the assets you're putting into the field. For instance, sure - you definitely could clear anomalies in a C1 quickly in a battleship. But why would you want to put such an expensive ship at risk of being ganked by other players when a much cheaper ship would also do an adequate job of clearing the sites?
This is why I've been wondering if C3s are really worth farming. They're hard enough that you can't clear them without bringing more and bigger stuff. But the payout isn't high enough to make me confident that it justifies the bigger stuff being out there. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:47:00 -
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Back in the day we used to clear C3s with passive shield tanked drakes - done right they have just enough tank and enough dps to do them fairly quickly and it doesn't take many of them to cover the cost of the ship and turn a profit. (Back then tho you could get something like 530dps out of the fit, now only 440). |
Apollo Eros
Daktaklakpak.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:10:00 -
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Benedict Iscariot wrote:Would a fleet of 4-5 Hawk Pilots with passive resists and a Medium ASB microwarping at range with Light Missiles be able to farm C3 sites?
Try it and report back.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:40:00 -
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it is well possible with AB-hawks (needs 4 I believe), but use rockets and orbit close to mitigate near all damage. Also, shield-RR in the highs :P
It is definetly possible using 4 wolfs, so I believe hawks might do aswell. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - The right corp to join if welping a 10bil fleet makes you want to welp a 20bil fleet right afterwards |
Benedict Iscariot
Rapture Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:01:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:it is well possible with AB-hawks (needs 4 I believe), but use rockets and orbit close to mitigate near all damage. Also, shield-RR in the highs :P It is definetly possible using 4 wolfs, so I believe hawks might do aswell. Ed: Sample RR-Wolf or Sample RR-Hawk to get an impression. Riel Saigo wrote: This is why I've been wondering if C3s are really worth farming. They're hard enough that you can't clear them without bringing more and bigger stuff. But the payout isn't high enough to make me confident that it justifies the bigger stuff being out there.
You can run them quite quickly in a cruiseraven, the 200mil investment are leveled after a few sites.
Excellent feedback.
So AB and RR keep the damage mitigated. What about this fit for keeping range and high speeds?
[Hawk]
Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Small Shield Booster II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 200 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Explosive Deflection Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile [empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small shield booster for emergencies, and the cap booster is there to keep the MWD running in the event ship is completely neuted out.
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.09.23 00:31:00 -
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Used to Solo them in a Ishkur (Gallente Assault Frigate), both using a Shield rep fit and a Armor Rep Fit. A Gang of them is fine.
Remember that everybody sees Sleepers solely as a Isk Per Hour concept, and will judge this post SOLELY on that.
Fun factor though, if you are playing a few hours and want to do them in Assault Frigates, yes its doable, and the more the merrier and yes its hella fun (if not a little terrifying).
Three notes.
1) You can do it in a PVP fit AF, but your capacitor will be a fairly large issue (I did this solo once and didn't realize the ship I brought). You can bring a PVE AF fit and fit a disruptor on it to catch people who try to jump you (you'd be surprised).
2) Your Transversal is LIFE. I don't remember if I was using a afterburner or a microwarp drive at the time (as its an Ishkur I believe it was a Afterburner, though I did run a dual prop one for a while, but not on sleepers). Sleepers will spawn 70+KM away, and you need to close that distance, the faster the better. Yes you can have ALLOT of them shooting you and you will survive if your good.
3) Fitting isn't that big of a issue, just fit a competent ship, there is no need to remote repair (It really won't be possible unless one of you is flying the repair frigate ship). The reason why its not possible is that you all will be flying so fast that you will zip in and out of repair range.
If your going shield repair fits, consider a faction/deadspace repairer, I ran a Pithi and it was literally the only reason that ship lived. If armor, run at minimum a federation navy repairer (You don't need to bling the ships out, but I would bring the repair module as it is the only thing that stands between you and boom).
Don't do a billion dollar repairer, the federation one works, a non-pithi will probably work also but I havent tried those.
Stabbers are totally broken
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Dgram Loop
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:48:00 -
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I've done it with only 2 of the following, and i think it took about 20-25 minutes. Bad isk pr hour sure, but it was alot more fun than RR tengus, this is also a viable way of clearing ladar sites if you suspect you'll get combat probed by the locals or visitors.
[Harpy, RR] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Co-Processor II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 1MN Afterburner I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Transporter Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Orbit battleships at 500m, and manage cap by not running AB/ST unecessarily. With 2-3 and siege booster in the system it should work for all but the hardest sites, even in a vanilla system.
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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.23 11:49:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Back in the day we used to clear C3s with passive shield tanked drakes - done right they have just enough tank and enough dps to do them fairly quickly and it doesn't take many of them to cover the cost of the ship and turn a profit. (Back then tho you could get something like 530dps out of the fit, now only 440).
Worse resists now, too. Drakes are still more than fine for C2s, but C3s might be too much for most Drakes now.
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Nalestom Zypher
Will It Fit
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:49:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:Rroff wrote:Back in the day we used to clear C3s with passive shield tanked drakes - done right they have just enough tank and enough dps to do them fairly quickly and it doesn't take many of them to cover the cost of the ship and turn a profit. (Back then tho you could get something like 530dps out of the fit, now only 440). Worse resists now, too. Drakes are still more than fine for C2s, but C3s might be too much for most Drakes now.
Post-Odyssey Drakes will probably have a few issues soloing C3 sites. If you have a group of them, they work beautifully, and they pay for themselves after only a few sites. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:58:00 -
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Benedict Iscariot wrote: So AB and RR keep the damage mitigated. What about this fit for keeping range and high speeds?
[Hawk]
Small shield booster for emergencies, and the cap booster is there to keep the MWD running in the event ship is completely neuted out.
Webs and neuts reach out to around 30 and more, meaning that being limited by both your *short* range of some 29-31km and therefore loss of damagemitigation renders that approach quite futile. Sleepermissiles track rather well, so keeping your sig down is kinda top priority. This will always yield a group of min 2-3 AFs to make it bearable at all, so you can RR fit right away as that normally means 1 less/no cap issue, cause most of the time primary for dps and neuts is identical and 2 moar deeps cause shortrangefit and damagemods.
Caldari T2 also reacts extremely poor to battleship sized lasers. So you better get under his guns :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:45:00 -
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When I was a lowskilled newbie, I took an Enyo into a C1 site. Got hit to 70% armor by the first volley and decided to GTFO, returned in a Myrmidon and completed the site with ease.
I have a lot more understanding of transversal now (and better skills, and armor tanking has been buffed), but the buffer on an Enyo is lower than I'd like to go with. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Luna Wolf Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:09:00 -
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Benedict Iscariot wrote:Would a fleet of 4-5 Hawk Pilots with passive resists and a Medium ASB microwarping at range with Light Missiles be able to farm C3 sites?
In times like these, I often wonder; What would Zech Solo do? |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:04:00 -
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so long you stay away from the -90% webs you'll be fine.
but it will take too long, T1 cruiser hulls with t1 logistics can do the site many times faster and at a lower isk cost. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:25:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Back in the day we used to clear C3s with passive shield tanked drakes - done right they have just enough tank and enough dps to do them fairly quickly and it doesn't take many of them to cover the cost of the ship and turn a profit. (Back then tho you could get something like 530dps out of the fit, now only 440). HAM-Drakes still work. Watch your tank and stay aligned - you might have to warp off a few times if your get an ugly spawn. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:35:00 -
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I2 passives pve drakes can clear fortification sites in 5 minutes. Actives can handle the others anoms. |
Bird Flu Vulnero
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation Moist.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:48:00 -
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We have a guy that solos C3 sites in an ishkur somehow. If you could keep up your traversal I don't see why it couldn't be done with other frigs. |
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Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:16:00 -
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RR AF's work on C3's. But...best in Wolf-Rayet, Magnetar or Cataclysmic. In a WR you can actually get as many ISKs per hour as using Drakeblob. Plus you don't look like a tool.
Even if there isn't the most awesome ISK/hr, it is really, really good training and good experience for PVP. Not only must you manage transversal, you have to keep within range (often sleeper webs are the biggest *****) of your RR buds, apply DPS.
We did this a lot, back in ye olden days, and found the Ishkur most effective as you could assign drones to the lead frig, hit orbit at 500, andd follow the lead frigate around in a mini blob.
as inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJmCCIzf10 (Drams vs Sleepers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_7cC2M0R4 (the seminal piece) YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Chester Floyd
Shadow Vanguard.
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:29:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:it might be possible, the question is why the hell would you want to though, it woul dbe slow as ****,. Why would you officer fit an ibis? Becouse you can. |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:52:00 -
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I believe a Wolf-Rayet wormhole gives bonus to damage on small guns. I have run c3 sites in an enyo on another toon and had a lot of fun with it. Word of warning though it can get a bit exciting getting 1 volleyed into structure because you forgot to keep traversal defiantly gets your heart thumping.. My recommendation is to sig / speed tank with ab armor fit. I believe i ran a cap booster fit to fight against the neuting.
Defiantly its a lot of fun thought not nearly as efficient as T3s or bses |
Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:38:00 -
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Bird Flu Vulnero wrote:We have a guy that solos C3 sites in an ishkur somehow. If you could keep up your traversal I don't see why it couldn't be done with other frigs.
I would love to see that fit. I'm sure its not about the fit so much as the pilot but if I could just see the fit that might give me some insight onto how he flies it. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.10.20 11:00:00 -
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*tried running an instrumental core reservoir with a rocket vengeance in a c5 WR *couldn't break the BS' tank
*sadface* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Celeste Lovette
1476
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:55:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Bird Flu Vulnero wrote:We have a guy that solos C3 sites in an ishkur somehow. If you could keep up your traversal I don't see why it couldn't be done with other frigs. I would love to see that fit. Me too
"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
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